Elite Colonial Brazilian DNA results

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Originally Posted by Duffmannn

That´s the case in Brazil, also in countries with bigger whites populations as Argentina, Uruguay and a lesser extent Cuba (there was more segregation here), even in Venezuela where the european migration is recent, but in countries with long-time and reduced (elite only) white populations, as Mexico, Dominican Republic, Central American republics, Colombia, Ecuador, Peru, Chile or Bolivia, the miscegenation between whites and non-whites is basically 0, they could mix with castizos or octoroons as much.

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That's my perception as well.

White-non-White admixtures are only common in Latin American countries with substantial white populations (Cuba, Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay).

The ones with only small white elites (like most of the others) barely have admixture happening nowadays.

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Originally Posted by Adamastor

She has more admixture, but not by a lot. Her mother is from Bahia that's why the girl has a bit more admixture, but the mother is a white baiana - 85% Portuguese, 7% Amerindian and 7% SSA (and she looks very white, tall and with blue eyes).

A big portion of the white upper middle class in Brazil is highly endogamous from a phenotypical point of view. That's why even if some have small admixture most individuals tested consistently score above 85% European.

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Two days ago I met in Vienna a white baiana, also was blonde during young years but now has darkened, and she was full white.

Obviously she is the descendand of portuguese and galician recent inmigrants, and she married a sicilian man (his family didn´t had migrated to Brazil, he was working there and had italian citizenship) and came to live to Europe.

I have also known white colonials (resemble full white) from Fortaleza.

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Originally Posted by Duffmannn

Two days ago I met in Vienna a white baiana, also was blonde during young years but now has darkened, and she was full white.

Obviously she is the descendand of portuguese and galician recent inmigrants, and she married a sicilian man (his family didn´t had migrated to Brazil, he was working there and had italian citizenship) and came to live to Europe.

I have also known white colonials (resemble full white) from Fortaleza.

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Fortaleza is definitely a city with a big white minority, its very substantial among middle and upper classes. But some poors can be white too.
Like some users said before about the inbreed, its reality, white families here have a long story of inbreed between cousins before 1950 when they lived in small family villages in rural parts of Ceará semiarid where everybody was part of the same family.
About the miscigenation, its pretty significant among whites here, there are many white-white couples and many white-pardo too.

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Originally Posted by Tenma de Pegasus

About the miscigenation, its pretty significant among whites here, there are many white-white couples and many white-pardo too.

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What is the pattern of such mixture in Brazil? More often white man and mixed woman or the opposite?

BTW interesting thread.

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Originally Posted by Lukasz

What is the pattern of such mixture in Brazil? More often white man and mixed woman or the opposite?

BTW interesting thread.

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Depends on the type of mixing. Many times the ''white-pardo'' couples differ mostly superficially (i.e. phenotypically) and not genetically. You can have some people scoring more than 80% European and looking pardo and someone 70% European who look white. It's difficult to create a general pattern like the ones of USA because Brazil is much more mixed than USA.

Usually the Brazilian whites are less European on average than white Americans, but mixed people in Brazil are much more European than African-Americans or Hispanics in USA.

According to genetic studies average Brazilian pardo (roughly 43% of the population) is in between 65-70% European, average ''white'' (~46-47% of the population) Brazilian is around 88% European. There's some overlap between the two categories, they are not as strict as in other countries.

Phenotype can be largely random with such numbers.

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Originally Posted by Leto

In the US mixing between whites and Negroes was basically illegal up until the 1960s. On the other hand, didn't Brazil use to promote racial dilution of blacks and mulattoes as a way of getting rid of them gradually? I may be wrong of course, pardon my possible ignorance.

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Yes. It was the greatest attempt of racial genocide in the 20th century.

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Originally Posted by Leto

Argentina, Uruguay?
Interestingly an Injun mixed in somewhere down the line xD

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There are around 30/35% of Argentines +95% Euro and 45% of uruguayans in the same category.
But all of them have predominantly recent European ancestry in both cases.
It's almost impossible find a +90% by 100% colonial stock.
May be a single case could exist but It's something extremely rare in individuals of pure colonial stock.
The Río de la Plata Vice-royalty wasn't one of the most important area in colonial times, so the spanish crown didn't send too much people as Nueva España Vice-royalty.
And in times of the independence the bulk of the population was mestiza/Harniza.
Of course they were people +90% Euro but practically all of them were part of the élite (around 5% of the population or even less).

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Originally Posted by Erronkari

There are around 30/35% of Argentines +95% Euro and 45% of uruguayans in the same category.
But all of them have predominantly recent European ancestry in both cases.
It's almost impossible find a +90% by 100% colonial stock.
May be a single case could exist but It's something extremely rare in individuals of pure colonial stock.
The Río de la Plata Vice-royalty wasn't one of the most important area in colonial times, so the spanish crown didn't send too much people as Nueva España Vice-royalty.
And in times of the independence the bulk of the population was mestiza/Harniza.
Of course they were people +90% Euro but practically all of them were part of the élite (around 5% of the population or even less).

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Do you mean 30-35% of the entire population? Not only among the colonials? So even most of the Italian descendants are part non-white nowadays, aren't they?

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Originally Posted by Leto

Do you mean 30-35% of the entire population? Not only among the colonials? So even most of the Italian descendants are part non-white nowadays, aren't they?

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20/25% of the whole population has a little admix, yes.
And around 30/35% of the population is +95%.
Indeed in the Central area of the country It's practically impossible to find any single inhabitant who is 100% colonial although they have roots in other further regions (especially north and northwest).
And that's not bad, because thanks a lot of immigrants mixed with colonials although the population has less 100% Euro genetically talking, the % of clearly mestizos is lesser today, because more than 60/65% of the population is +80% Euro at least.
It's a lot for a latinamerican country.
Keep in mind also that 30/35% of the population are in the same condition to boers/africakers from South África or afrikaners or german namibians, the only difference is that 1 to 5% non euro is not SSA but amerindian.

Buenos Aires
https://i.imgur.com/rzf3q1z.png

The whole country
https://i.imgur.com/yvHlsoU.png

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Originally Posted by Kiete

I wouldn't say Brazil is the only latin american country where 80% european colonials exist some countries are just more prevelent then others even in Mexico for example my whole family are from the North east and most of them are 80% or more and 0% recent european ancestry.

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LOL

''Reyzuh'' attacked my thread with one of his socks. Writing style is exactly the same, unless all Mexicans living in USA are illiterate in English.