Serbian Autosomal DNA

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Originally Posted by Moje ime

I just need to fix this what Pribislav said since this may sounds wrong. They are normal citizens of this country in the Constitution with all rights and obligations. He speaks about how other people, Serbs in this case, see them as foreign.

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Nobody like Gypsies in the Balkan, except Emir Kusturica and few other individuals. :) Don't like someone is not same as hate someone, exist also neutral option.
Most of Serbs don't hate Gypsies, but they have distance towards them. Serbs and other Balkanites just don't see Gypsies as normal people.

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Originally Posted by Ljubic

The same thing i typed could be applied to Hungarians, Romanians and Bulgarians.
Serbia has supposedly about 140000-500000 Gypsies which is a huge number and mixing obviously occured at some point or else they wouldnt be partly Balkan genetically.
Not sure why you mentioned Ustase, I havent ment any offense with my post.

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they simply had a too different way of life. i suppose some Serbs joined nomadic gypsy groups, but the opposite (gypsies permanently settling and integrating) never happened, until recently

in this dataset, the samples with the highest South Asian are from Croatia and Montenegro, not places usually associated with gypsies. so that South asian could be noise , or from some other source.

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Originally Posted by Ljubic

The same thing i typed could be applied to Hungarians, Romanians and Bulgarians.
Serbia has supposedly about 140000-500000 Gypsies which is a huge number and mixing obviously occured at some point or else they wouldnt be partly Balkan genetically.
Not sure why you mentioned Ustase, I havent ment any offense with my post.

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In my opinion Gypsy assimilation is necessary and perhaps inevitable. They aren't (or shouldn't be) hated for their skin color but for their asocial way of life.

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Originally Posted by Leto

In my opinion Gypsy assimilation is necessary and perhaps inevitable. They aren't (or shouldn't be) hated for their skin color but for their asocial way of life.

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It's impossible to assimilate an entire Gypsy community, no matter how big this community is.

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Originally Posted by Leto

In my opinion Gypsy assimilation is necessary and perhaps inevitable. They aren't (or shouldn't be) hated for their skin color but for their asocial way of life.

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Do you support assimilation of Gypsies by Europeans? I thought you are an nordist. :coffee:
I don't know for Russian Gypsies, but Balkan ones are less white on average than Middle Eastern migrants.

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Originally Posted by Aspirin

It's impossible to assimilate an entire Gypsy community, no matter how big this community is.

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i believe in Soviet Russia they managed to completely assimilate them.

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

they simply had a too different way of life. i suppose some Serbs joined nomadic gypsy groups, but the opposite (gypsies permanently settling and integrating) never happened, until recently

in this dataset, the samples with the highest South Asian are from Croatia and Montenegro, not places usually associated with gypsies. so that South asian could be noise , or from some other source.

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One of the Hercegovian samples you've shown me had like 4 % South Asian but the other components were overwhelmingly Western Balkan.

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Originally Posted by Pribislav

Do you support assimilation of Gypsies by Europeans? I thought you are an nordist. :coffee:
I don't know for Russian Gypsies, but Balkan ones are less white on average than Middle Eastern migrants.

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I've never been a Nordicist but that's beside the point. Sometimes you have to choose the lesser evil. Unless you support a Gypsy holocaust, there are two options available - either you allow them to breed further or you dilute them ethnoracially losing some of your whiteness as a result. At least they are Serbian Orthodox over there in Serbia, not Mudslime.
Russian Gypsies are virtually the same as Balkan since all European Roma have Balkan origin.

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

i believe in Soviet Russia they managed to completely assimilate them.

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Not at all. There were 200,000 Roma in Russia back in 2010 (last census) but the actual number may exceed one million. They don't mix for the most part with non-Gypos.

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

they simply had a too different way of life. i suppose some Serbs joined nomadic gypsy groups, but the opposite (gypsies permanently settling and integrating) never happened, until recently

in this dataset, the samples with the highest South Asian are from Croatia and Montenegro, not places usually associated with gypsies. so that South asian could be noise , or from some other source.

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South Asian score in Europe mostly is not conected with Gypsies. It's minor part of Stepe dna. Stears has relatively high South Asian score and he is not conected with Gypsies. His South Asian score is obvious from his Szekler side, from Stepic Turkic and Scythian people.