French Regional Averages by Tomenable

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Originally Posted by RyoHazuki

Could same be said of Swiss French?

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Swiss French are likely very similar to Haut-Savoyards (and people from Ain and also people that are from NW Savoie (north of "Bourget" lake)

I have to say that I had seen a Swiss French plotting very close to Austrians so don't know really. We lack samples, simply that.

According to Giemza :

https://media.springernature.com/ful..._Fig1_HTML.png

You do see the italian influence in Savoie (blue turquoise color)

Someone said that this map isn't reliable but this isn't true. There are 35 samples for each department and they used two panels separated on time, and tested on different SNPs (double randomized study), so it's very solid.

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Originally Posted by Peterski

Let me check, I excluded a total of 14 samples from Provence and added them to "Central France".

So I excluded almost as many as I included (15 included, 14 excluded). Provence is divided genetically.

I have made a separate sub-average from these 14 ones excluded and called it Northern Provence.

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Yes, I entirely agree, I think that the coastal areas are very "southern" shifted compared to the inland.

And IMO, it shows up also phenotypically, I was always impressed by people from Provence but inland, their lightness compared to more "coastal" people.

Most averages have been updated, Provence was updated with these two new samples:

Eurogenes K13:

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Provence16,39.52,16.24,20.17,7.23,14.02,2.13,0,0,0,0,0.59,0.1,0
Provence17,39.12,13.50,22.18,8.15,13.81,2.82,0,0.42,0,0,0,0,0

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Eurogenes K15:

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Provence16,27.32,23.67,8.42,3.27,16.72,7.44,10.62,2.27,0,0,0,0,0.27,0,0
Provence17,29.13,21.36,5.08,5.01,19.02,6.85,10.10,3.45,0,0,0,0,0,0,0

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User Ilma, who is a mix of Normandy + Septimania and 1/4 Spanish IIRC:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post4675597

When using only my French averages in SOURCE:

https://i.imgur.com/Asq7sz0.png

Distances with all samples.

K13:

Distance to: gixajo
10.48021946 Provence12
12.63130239 Provence17
13.75639488 Provence3
14.22202869 Provence1
14.26137090 Provence4
14.37554869 Provence16
15.66439274 Provence8
16.05617950 Provence11
16.69224071 Provence2
16.82740622 Provence9
16.99915292 Provence5
17.21259423 Provence13
18.68997325 Provence6
19.18052398 Provence15
21.14346235 Provence10
21.93982680 Provence14
23.98136360 Provence7

k15

Distance to: gixajo
11.77992360 Provence12
12.18803101 Provence4
13.71491159 Provence8
13.94958064 Provence1
14.79022988 Provence2
14.91905493 Provence11
15.73772538 Provence13
15.76587454 Provence5
15.92684212 Provence16
16.79491292 Provence3
17.47397207 Provence9
17.52686224 Provence17
18.07268104 Provence6
19.17355210 Provence15
20.62370966 Provence14
22.00121133 Provence7
22.45745311 Provence10

I checked this one, was posted as "Normandy" in another thread:

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Normandy :

Spoiler!

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic 32.91
2 North_Sea 31.65
3 West_Med 12.56
4 Baltic 7.98
5 Eastern_Euro 7.6
6 East_Med 2.92
7 West_Asian 2.49
8 Red_Sea 0.79
9 Sub-Saharan 0.71
10 Amerindian 0.41

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Southwest_English 5.25
2 Southeast_English 5.88
3 South_Dutch 6.53
4 Irish 7.53
5 West_Scottish 8.04
6 French 8.34
7 Orcadian 9.27
8 North_German 9.52
9 Danish 9.59
10 North_Dutch 9.87
11 West_German 10.69
12 Spanish_Cataluna 13.36
13 Norwegian 13.47
14 West_Norwegian 14.12
15 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 14.61
16 Swedish 14.84
17 Spanish_Galicia 14.85
18 East_German 14.88
19 Spanish_Cantabria 15.21
20 Portuguese 15.3

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 78.3% Southeast_English + 21.7% French_Basque @ 1.45
2 68.1% West_Scottish + 31.9% Spanish_Aragon @ 1.83
3 66% West_Scottish + 34% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.1
4 81% Southwest_English + 19% French_Basque @ 2.1
5 66.7% West_Scottish + 33.3% Southwest_French @ 2.24
6 68.1% North_Dutch + 31.9% French_Basque @ 2.24
7 68.8% Danish + 31.2% French_Basque @ 2.28
8 69.9% Irish + 30.1% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.28
9 72.7% West_Scottish + 27.3% French_Basque @ 2.3
10 68.2% West_Scottish + 31.8% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.3
11 75.5% Southeast_English + 24.5% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.31
12 63.2% Orcadian + 36.8% Southwest_French @ 2.33
13 59.6% West_Norwegian + 40.4% French_Basque @ 2.35
14 67.8% Irish + 32.2% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.42
15 65.1% Orcadian + 34.9% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.42
16 69.6% Orcadian + 30.4% French_Basque @ 2.44
17 74.4% Southeast_English + 25.6% Southwest_French @ 2.53
18 68.4% West_Scottish + 31.6% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.56
19 73.9% Southeast_English + 26.1% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.57
20 74.4% Irish + 25.6% French_Basque @ 2.63

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^^^ Results:

https://i.imgur.com/UcTsGhQ.png

Seems mixed.

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Originally Posted by Peterski

I checked this one, was posted as "Normandy" in another thread:



^^^ Results:

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Seems mixed.

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I understand that would be more interesting for you posted results from actual French members and not from a bunch of Spaniards, Irish and Northamericans, that we don't provide much light about this issue.

I don´t know if our results help you anything.

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Originally Posted by gixajo

I don´t know if our results help you anything.

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They also help!

Because if you score only Southern French regions, then I can see that my Central French average is good (= does not overlap with neighbours).

The point is to make an average that the majority of French will be closest to, but that neighbours of France will not be close to. "Unique French".

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I think we just don't have too many French members who are still active.

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Originally Posted by Peterski

They also help!

Because if you score only Southern French regions, then I can see that my Central French average is good (= does not overlap with neighbours).

The point is to make an average that the majority of French will be closest to, but that neighbours of France will not be close to. "Unique French".

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I think we just don't have too many French members who are still active.

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Anyway, Dududud and his father results could help you more than mines, for example.