Russianness index

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Originally Posted by Mina

Good and important question. We must be clear about what exactly we are comparing here and measuring genetic distances to.

To be crystal clear, Russians and other minorities are not included in the Estonian average. Even mixed Estonians with a recent Russian ancestry (2-3 generations) are not included. To include them would be fraudulent and misleading.

On the other hand, when it comes to Belarus and Ukraine, many people in those averages likely do have recent Russian ancestry, as it is much harder to draw distinctions there due to lack of significant cultural barriers (very similar East Slavic languages, Orthodox Christianity, pan-Rus' nostalgia).

In this case, these maps say that the average Yaroslavl Russian is genetically closer to the average non-mixed Finn or Estonian or Latvian or Lithuanian or Pole than to the average possible Russian admixtured Ukrainian. Imo, it's totally incredible. Basically this map says Yaroslavl Russians genetically are more Finnic than Slavic.

Zero

Target: m_wgs
Distance: 1.0606% / 0.01060588 | R3P
67.2 Slovenian
25.8 Albanian_Kosovo
7.0 British

Target: m_wgs
Distance: 1.0572% / 0.01057174 | R3P
52.6 Albanian_Kosovo
25.8 Latvian
21.6 British

0.013 95% Croat + 5% Georgian
0.013 85% Bosniak + 15% British
0.013 78% Serb + 22% Icelander
0.013 62% Montenegrin + 38% German

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Distance to: m_wgs 0.01432350 Bosniak 0.01473641 Croat 0.01852028 Serb 0.02028448 Slovenian 0.02082032 Montenegrin 0.02101832 Hungarian 0.02260014 Moldovan 0.02422371 Austrian 0.02588931 North_Macedonian 0.02594277 Romanian 0.02953761 German 0.03191574 Czech 0.03406906 Bulgarian 0.03411209 Slovakian 0.03808525 French 0.03823768 Dutch 0.04202564 British 0.04328661 Ukrainian 0.04632930 Danish 0.04757855 Norwegian 0.04808701 Irish 0.04824286 Polish 0.04920698 Icelander 0.05073139 Swedish 0.05086356 Albanian_Kosovo 0.05580757 Albanian 0.05955078 Spanish 0.06187062 Belarusian 0.06195869 Russian_Ryazan 0.06416470 Russian_Kaluga 0.06503634 Portuguese 0.06645328 Italian 0.06902258 Russian_Tver 0.07407979 Greek 0.07553476 Russian_Yaroslavl 0.07860651 Lithuanian 0.07992793 Estonian 0.08886616 Finnish 0.08959887 Latvian 0.13224820 Turkish 0.13829615 Georgian 0.14276362 Azerbaijani 0.14630374 Armenian 0.37854503 Kazakh

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Originally Posted by Opie

Target: OP
Distance: 16.9010% / 0.16900998
72.6 Kazakh
27.4 Azerbaijani

Distance to: OP
0.19120737 Kazakh
0.29008623 Azerbaijani
0.29028269 Turkish
0.33877266 Georgian
0.34090497 Finnish
0.34161723 Armenian
0.34566727 Romanian
0.34586861 Moldovan
0.34823018 Russian_Ryazan
0.34844076 Bulgarian
0.34910769 Russian_Tver
0.34962916 Portuguese
0.35013266 Greek
0.35128853 Russian_Yaroslavl
0.35262034 Italian
0.35272423 North_Macedonian
0.35328470 Hungarian
0.35333597 Montenegrin
0.35359171 Serb
0.35394812 Albanian_Kosovo
0.35431167 Albanian
0.35600153 Bosniak
0.35602153 Spanish
0.35715192 Slovakian
0.35726627 Croat

Terrible distances.

Target: Defcon2_scaled
Distance: 19.6408% / 0.19640800
79.6 Kazakh
20.4 Portuguese

I have the same problem, I've tried with all the user coordinates I have and they also don't work.

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Originally Posted by Rumata

In this case, these maps say that the average Yaroslavl Russian is genetically closer to the average non-mixed Finn or Estonian or Latvian or Lithuanian or Pole than to the average possible Russian admixtured Ukrainian. Imo, it's totally incredible. Basically this map says Yaroslavl Russians genetically are more Finnic than Slavic.

What do you think about these results from Ukraine? There's a stunning correlation between genetic similarity to Russians and oblasts which Russia currently claims as parts of Russia.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...eir-neighbours

SK = Slovakia
PL = Poland
HU = Hungary
MD = Moldova
BY = Belarus
RUS = Russia

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Originally Posted by Defcon2

Target: Defcon2_scaled
Distance: 19.6408% / 0.19640800
79.6 Kazakh
20.4 Portuguese

I have the same problem, I've tried with all the user coordinates I have and they also don't work.

We are doing something wrong, but I don’t know which part.

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Originally Posted by Opie

We are doing something wrong, but I don’t know which part.

You need new IllustrativeDNA coordinates, not the Davidsky G25 ones

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Originally Posted by Fistora

You need new IllustrativeDNA coordinates, not the Davidsky G25 ones

Thanks

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Originally Posted by Mina

What do you think about these results from Ukraine? There's a stunning correlation between genetic similarity to Russians and oblasts which Russia currently claims as parts of Russia.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...eir-neighbours

SK = Slovakia
PL = Poland
HU = Hungary
MD = Moldova
BY = Belarus
RUS = Russia

Genetics is a mystery to me. It's even more a mystery now that Yaroslavl is said to be genetically more Finnic than Slavic.

I find this post about ethnic Russians interesting:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post8327315

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Originally Posted by Rumata

Genetics is a mystery to me. It's even more a mystery now that Yaroslavl is said to be genetically more Finnic than Slavic.

I find this post about ethnic Russians interesting:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post8327315

Estonia at the first place doesn't imply that Yaroslavl or Tver or any other Russian oblast is "more Finnic than Slavic". While it's difficult to precisely quantify how much Slavic and Baltic ancestry modern Estonians have, they're definitely not some kind of 100% pure Finnic people.

Yaroslavl, Tver, Ryazan, Kaluga are all genetically very close Central Russians, and slight perturbations in admixture lead to a flipping/rotation between Estonia and Belarus as their closest pop. But for all of them Belarus is consistently closer than Finland (Finns also have a complex ancestry — a mix of Finnic, Saamic and pre-Germanic Battle Axe Scandinavian ancestries — which means that distance to Finns is not a reliable indicator of "Finnicness" either).

tl;dr this thread is about genetic similarity (or dissimilarity) of Central Russians to modern European countries, not to Iron Age.

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Originally Posted by Mina

Estonia at the first place doesn't imply that Yaroslavl or Tver or any other Russian oblast is "more Finnic than Slavic". While it's difficult to precisely quantify how much Slavic and Baltic ancestry modern Estonians have, they're definitely not some kind of 100% pure Finnic people.

Yaroslavl, Tver, Ryazan, Kaluga are all genetically very close Central Russians, and slight perturbations in admixture lead to a flipping/rotation between Estonia and Belarus as their closest pop. But for all of them Belarus is consistently closer than Finland (Finns also have a complex ancestry — a mix of Finnic, Saamic and pre-Germanic Battle Axe Scandinavian ancestries — which means that distance to Finns is not a reliable indicator of "Finnicness" either).

tl;dr this thread is about genetic similarity (or dissimilarity) of Central Russians to modern European countries, not to Iron Age.

I suppose the "Finnic" component should be dominant in both Finns and Estonians. If we agree it should, then Yaroslavl, having the "Slavic" predominant component would be closer to others who also have "Slavic" as predominant. Because small admixtures don't matter so much.

And what we see in that picture? Number 1 and 3 are Finnic and between them is number 2 - Slavo-Baltic Belarus. Looks like nonsense to me. I don't think Yaroslavl has such a significant Germanic or Saami ancestry that it influences that much.

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Originally Posted by Russki

https://i.imgur.com/3EcjXfb.png