Well I believe that Britain in large parts, was already Celto-Germanic before the Anglo-Saxons. Like The Belgae. The difference between the locals, Angles & Saxons was smaller.Quote:
Originally Posted by Artek
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Well I believe that Britain in large parts, was already Celto-Germanic before the Anglo-Saxons. Like The Belgae. The difference between the locals, Angles & Saxons was smaller.Quote:
Originally Posted by Artek
Btw, while my mtDNA and my father's Y-DNA makes perfect sence, his mtDNA stays a mistery. It's a rare Northern/Eastern African one and also common in Sephardi Jews (M1a). Though, when it comes to his autosomal DNA, there are no signs or traces of Eastern or Northern African ancestry. Or even Jewish ancestry for that matter. And so far I have only come across one other West Asian (Armenian) person with the same mtDNA.
How do they got there before the Anglo-Saxon proper invasions?Quote:
Originally Posted by Graham
I don't care much for haplogroups, they're pretty insignificant. Although I guess I'm somewhat happy with the relative rarity of my yDNA, even though 23andme can't tell me much more than I2. And I can't really be bothered forking out money to ftDNA to find out the specifics.
You sort of mix with your closest neighbours.
The Belgae were a group of Gallo-Germanic tribes living in northern Gaul, between the English channel and the west bank of the Rhine, from at least the 3rd century BC. They were later found also in Britain, and possibly even Ireland. The Belgae gave their name to the Roman province of Gallia Belgica, and very much later, to the modern country of Belgium.
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Julius Caesar describes Gaul at the time of his conquests (58 - 51 BC) as divided into three parts, inhabited by the Aquitani in the southwest, the Gauls of the biggest central part, who in their own language were called Celtae, and the Belgae in the north.
Ancient sources such as Caesar are unclear about the things used to define ethnicity today. He describes the Belgae as both Celtic (or at least Gaulish) and Germanic (at least some of them, and at least by descent). Strabo stated that the differences between the Celts and Belgae, in countenance, language, politics and way of life was a small one, unlike the difference between the Aquitanians and Celts.
On the other hand it has been proposed that there could have been more than one language within the region, and also possibly differences between the language of the elite and the rest of the population. Many modern scholars believe that the Belgae were a firmly Celtic-speaking group.
However, at least part of the Belgae may also have had significant genetic, cultural and historical connections to peoples east of the Rhine, including Germanic peoples, judging from archaeological, placename, and textual evidence.
Britain
The Belgae had made their way across the English Channel into southern Britain in Caesar's time.
Caesar asserts they had first crossed the channel as raiders, only later establishing themselves on the island. The precise extent of their conquests is unknown. After the Roman conquest of Britain, the civitas of the Belgae was bordered to the North by the British Atrebates, who were also a Belgic tribe, and to the east by the Regnenses, who were probably linked to the Belgae as well.
Caesar recorded a number of tribal names in the region of Kent, of which one (Cenimagni) resembles the name of a Northern Gaulish tribe (Cenomani),[ and other studies have also attempted to link the spread of Aylesford-Swarling pottery across the southeastern corner of Britain to the Belgic invasion; however, none of this is certain.
If you have a strong antionalist sense, especially in a divisive country, I can see it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thor2009
If you are from british isles or unknown white american you probably have r1b anyway, so all you can do is see if it's an interesting subclade. My grandfather was english but my grandfather was definitely "exotic" so I might have something else in store but there's probably nothing I'd be upset about. Hopefully something interesting.
They just found some very old M mtDNA in messopotamia from a skeleton a few thousand years old even though it's astoundingly rare now. So, perhaps you have some very ancient roots in the area.Quote:
Originally Posted by Azalea
I was very happy to know I'm J2. Ubermensch haplogroup no doubt.
Yes, we're both related to Otzi :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Graham
I am happy with mine. I don't have the land of my ancestors, but I have theirs Y-DNA with me. My mom' by result of mtDNA given me the strong idea about her ancestors place - Finland (90% who have mtDNA: I1a1a), I am happy with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loki
I guess. Paternally Not very typical for a Puerto Rican, even less for a Spaniard but whatever.
Maternally it was super expected so that's cool.