Pashtuns: A genetically South Asian ethnicity wrapped in self hate(?)

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Originally Posted by Vir9

the old iranic and indo-aryan tribes orginated somewhere in the eurasian steppe and had high percentages of caucasian and northern european dna but they migrated and settled in central asia,south asia and also west asia. In central asia they encountered and conquered the BMAC civilization which was connected to other sedentary cultures in modern iran and had a high developed urban civilization.The iranic and indo-aryan tribes mixed with the population of the BMAC culture , which was west asian predominately , and their religions were also influenced by this.In afghanistan they encountered several different local cultures which were mostly also of west asian origin but influenced by people from the indus basin but even this pre-indoeuropean were mostly west asians.The ancestors of afghans subjugated this people and spread their genes and languages so that modern afghans speak indoeuropean languages and are predominately the descendants of this indoeuropean iranic tribes
But later the indo-aryan tribes moved to india ( but some like pashai and kalash stayed in afghanistan/pakistan and preserved their original look) and mixed much with pre-indoeuropean south asians but iranic people like pashtuns mixed only rarely with south asians and lived for the most time in central asia and only recently they also populate south asia and took many indian women (raids). Pashtuns are still very close to pamiri people of tajikistan and of course also to tajiks of afghanistan.Pashtuns of modern pakistan have mostly so much south asian components because of recent admixture and pashtuns of afghanistan have low south asian components which are also very different from other south asian components in india

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Spot on, Pashtuns are extremely close to the pamirs as we'll yaghnobis. The FST distance was something like 0.04

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Originally Posted by Truthbetold

What in F's name are you talking about? I posted both data about Pakistani and Afghan Pashtuns both on page 1 and page 13. Are you blind or what? Page 13 shows a plot which shows both Pakistani and Afghan Pashtuns. Page one shows both quotes from the paper about Afghanistans ethnic groups, as well as plots/PCA's about Pakistani Pashtuns.

The one from page 13 once again:

http://i62.tinypic.com/e0qqtx.png

Analysis from the paper the graph is from:



As we can see, in Dynamo's and Vir9's PAINS to disassociate the Pashtun ethnic group from the other (Northwestern) South Asians, such as the Punjabi Jatts, Kashmiris, Sindhi's, etc, user Dynamo has resorted to the usage of ad-hominem insults and trolling to virtually everyone here who dares speaking about the Pashtuns, disregarding obvious complete scientific papers and facts posted, while ''Vir9'' tries to fraud every plot/graph/paper posted, trying to present it as '''trolling'' and frauding results as shown on the graphs (such as saying about the graph above that the Pashtuns all fall in the Central Asian cluster). Dynamo also thinks that by posting individually grabbed results without any source given he can refute any of the complete sources/papers/PCA's and plots I have given.

These two users of presumably Pashtun origin have OBVIOUS superiority feelings towards other geneticallly Northwestern South Asian peoples such as the Punjabi Jatts, Kashmiris, Sindhi's, Himachali's, etc. They hate the fact that Pashtuns cluster with these people and are in grief due to this. They don't agree with the hard scientific facts and papers that are posted because they would rather see themselves cluster firmly with Central Asians, West Asians, you name it, for whatever dumb reason. This is clearly seen by reading their comments.

Either post scientific papers if you think this is all not true. If you can't contribute anything remotely useful please keep out. And yes, that includes posting unsourced random results of persons while I have posted whole papers on both Afghan Pashtuns and Pakistani Pashtuns.

I never thought being South Asian geneticaly would be such an extreme insult towards some people.

User ''Dynamo'' once again showed how incredibly hard he finds it and how extremely butthurt he is by PM'ing me this comment:



Obvious inferiority complexion detected.

Conclusion: The majority of Pashtuns live in Pakistan. 70% of the total Pashtun population. As shown in EVERY paper, graph, and PCA I posted the Pakistani Pashtuns CLEARLY cluster with other Northwestern South Asian and clear cut fall in the South Asian cluster. The Afghan Pashtuns, as seen in the graph above are on the edge of the South Asian/Central Asian cluster. They are extremely close to the South Asian cluster. Muuuuuch closer to the Middle East/Caucasus cluster as eveyone can see. The paper says as well itself in words that they are close to Indo-Aryan populations. It all makes sense considering the geography and history of the Pashtun people.

The plots, scientific papers, and graphs on the first page on this thread confirm this again as well, with the Pakistani Pashtuns first and foremost being closest to other Northwest South Asian populations, including the Sindhi's. Pashtuns are a South Asian population genetically, clustering closely with Punjabi Jatts, Kashmiris, Sindhi's, High Caste Himachali's, Baloch, etc. I showed it here with the results, papers, plots, and PCA's posted. No individual result, no trolling, no frauding can change this.

Deal with this fact Dynamo and Vir9. The Pashtuns are first and foremost Northwestern South Asian genetically as is shown in this thread. Otherwise, Pakistani Pashtuns are not Pashtuns, or otherwise the Kashmiris, Punjabi Jatts, Sindhi's, high caste Himachali's (aka the closest genetic brethren to the Pashtuns), etc are not actually South Asians ;) I know you can't refute this. Pashtuns are not remotely close to Middle Eastern/West Asian/Caucasus peoples. By far. Give up.
As if there's anything bad about clustering with other (Northwestern) South Asians as a population.

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Do I have to say this again and again? The fucking PCA plots show how much west or east shifted. The Pathans from Pakistan in that PCA plot are like 80% west Eurasian. The afghan samples ranged from 85-89%. ( I'm talking about individual samples). Iranians are like 91% west Eurasian. Did yiu see the eurogenes k36? I give evidence yet you still show me the same graphs and quotes. I'll show my friends oracle results. You'll be suprised.

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Originally Posted by Truthbetold

Afghan cricket team, mostly Pashtuns, few Tajiks/Hazaras

http://i59.tinypic.com/23kr802.jpg

Pakistani cricket team, mixed Pashtun/Punjabi/other Pakistani ethnic groups

http://i62.tinypic.com/2vm7jhd.jpg

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So I gave you literally 20 links to afghan people in crowds yet you expect to convince people over this? Get a life ffs.

It's funny how when people want to convince people we are South Asian, they always use those cricket photos as an example loool. I showed him hubdreds of afghans but no. Still ignorant

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Originally Posted by Truthbetold

What in F's name are you talking about? I posted both data about Pakistani and Afghan Pashtuns both on page 1 and page 13. Are you blind or what? Page 13 shows a plot which shows both Pakistani and Afghan Pashtuns. Page one shows both quotes from the paper about Afghanistans ethnic groups, as well as plots/PCA's about Pakistani Pashtuns.

The one from page 13 once again:

http://i62.tinypic.com/e0qqtx.png

Analysis from the paper the graph is from:



As we can see, in Dynamo's and Vir9's PAINS to disassociate the Pashtun ethnic group from the other (Northwestern) South Asians, such as the Punjabi Jatts, Kashmiris, Sindhi's, etc, user Dynamo has resorted to the usage of ad-hominem insults and trolling to virtually everyone here who dares speaking about the Pashtuns, disregarding obvious complete scientific papers and facts posted, while ''Vir9'' tries to fraud every plot/graph/paper posted, trying to present it as '''trolling'' and frauding results as shown on the graphs (such as saying about the graph above that the Pashtuns all fall in the Central Asian cluster). Dynamo also thinks that by posting individually grabbed results without any source given he can refute any of the complete sources/papers/PCA's and plots I have given.

These two users of presumably Pashtun origin have OBVIOUS superiority feelings towards other geneticallly Northwestern South Asian peoples such as the Punjabi Jatts, Kashmiris, Sindhi's, Himachali's, etc. They hate the fact that Pashtuns cluster with these people and are in grief due to this. They don't agree with the hard scientific facts and papers that are posted because they would rather see themselves cluster firmly with Central Asians, West Asians, you name it, for whatever dumb reason. This is clearly seen by reading their comments.

Either post scientific papers if you think this is all not true. If you can't contribute anything remotely useful please keep out. And yes, that includes posting unsourced random results of persons while I have posted whole papers on both Afghan Pashtuns and Pakistani Pashtuns.

I never thought being South Asian geneticaly would be such an extreme insult towards some people.

User ''Dynamo'' once again showed how incredibly hard he finds it and how extremely butthurt he is by PM'ing me this comment:



Obvious inferiority complexion detected.

Conclusion: The majority of Pashtuns live in Pakistan. 70% of the total Pashtun population. As shown in EVERY paper, graph, and PCA I posted the Pakistani Pashtuns CLEARLY cluster with other Northwestern South Asian and clear cut fall in the South Asian cluster. The Afghan Pashtuns, as seen in the graph above are on the edge of the South Asian/Central Asian cluster. They are extremely close to the South Asian cluster. Muuuuuch closer to the Middle East/Caucasus cluster as eveyone can see. The paper says as well itself in words that they are close to Indo-Aryan populations. It all makes sense considering the geography and history of the Pashtun people.

The plots, scientific papers, and graphs on the first page on this thread confirm this again as well, with the Pakistani Pashtuns first and foremost being closest to other Northwest South Asian populations, including the Sindhi's. Pashtuns are a South Asian population genetically, clustering closely with Punjabi Jatts, Kashmiris, Sindhi's, High Caste Himachali's, Baloch, etc. I showed it here with the results, papers, plots, and PCA's posted. No individual result, no trolling, no frauding can change this.

Deal with this fact Dynamo and Vir9. The Pashtuns are first and foremost Northwestern South Asian genetically as is shown in this thread. Otherwise, Pakistani Pashtuns are not Pashtuns, or otherwise the Kashmiris, Punjabi Jatts, Sindhi's, high caste Himachali's (aka the closest genetic brethren to the Pashtuns), etc are not actually South Asians ;) I know you can't refute this. Pashtuns are not remotely close to Middle Eastern/West Asian/Caucasus peoples. By far. Give up.
As if there's anything bad about clustering with other (Northwestern) South Asians as a population.

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you are a troll and we should ignore people like you. Either you have never seen a pashtun in your whole life or you have some kind of personal hate for pashtuns.Even italians and levantine arabs look closer to us than south asians. Dynamo already posted several afghan samples and some of them even had more european dna than south asian.So explain that? and you still didnt answered my question why pashtuns have predominately west asian or central asian y-dna haplogroups like R1a,Q,G,J) ???

Here is my friends dodecad world 9 results

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Pathan (HGDP) 10.6
2 Tajiks (Yunusbayev) 12.3
3 Burusho (HGDP) 13.9
4 Balochi (HGDP) 16.28
5 Brahui (HGDP) 17.39
6 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 17.71
7 Sindhi (HGDP) 17.93
8 Makrani 18.39
9 Kalash 19.27
10 Lezgins (Behar) 21.32
11 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 21.83
12 Chechens (Yunusbayev) 21.99
13 North_Ossetians (Yunusbayev) 22.53
14 Balkars (Yunusbayev) 22.75
15 Adygei (HGDP) 22.76
16 Iranian (Dodecad) 23.31
17 Bnei_Menashe_Jews 23.98
18 Iranians (Behar) 26.13
19 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 27.08
20 Kurd (Dodecad) 27.17

The afghans closet populations according to fst distances are the yaghnobi tajiks and pamiri tajiks( they maintained their pure form). So calling us South asian genetically is fucking absurd. If your not blind please open your fucking eyes mate, how can we be genetically nearly identical to the purest Central asians yet be South asian?

Lol in your face mate, we are not even REMOTLEY related to west asians? Haha is that why lezgin, Chechens,balkans, iranians , Kurds and Ossetians come up on my friends dodecades resukts? Nice one mate, made yourself look like a fool.

Edit post: not to mention kumyks, adgyei and nogais

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Originally Posted by Vir9

you are a troll and we should ignore people like you. Either you have never seen a pashtun in your whole life or you have some kind of personal hate for pashtuns.Even italians and levantine arabs look closer to us than south asians. Dynamo already posted several afghan samples and some of them even had more european dna than south asian.So explain that? and you still didnt answered my question why pashtuns have predominately west asian or central asian y-dna haplogroups like R1a,Q,G,J) ???

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He probably poured out his heart out to an afghan women, shame she spat on it and stuck it up your arsehole and wrapped you around a bubble wrap waiting to be shipped back to azerbaijan

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Originally Posted by Dynamo

Here is my friends dodecad world 9 results

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Pathan (HGDP) 10.6
2 Tajiks (Yunusbayev) 12.3
3 Burusho (HGDP) 13.9
4 Balochi (HGDP) 16.28
5 Brahui (HGDP) 17.39
6 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 17.71
7 Sindhi (HGDP) 17.93
8 Makrani 18.39
9 Kalash 19.27
10 Lezgins (Behar) 21.32
11 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 21.83
12 Chechens (Yunusbayev) 21.99
13 North_Ossetians (Yunusbayev) 22.53
14 Balkars (Yunusbayev) 22.75
15 Adygei (HGDP) 22.76
16 Iranian (Dodecad) 23.31
17 Bnei_Menashe_Jews 23.98
18 Iranians (Behar) 26.13
19 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 27.08
20 Kurd (Dodecad) 27.17

The afghans closet populations according to fst distances are the yaghnobi tajiks and pamiri tajiks( they maintained their pure form). So calling us South asian genetically is fucking absurd. If your not blind please open your fucking eyes mate, how can we be genetically nearly identical to the purest Central asians yet be South asian?

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thank for this list and i often regisered that northern caucasians (chechens,ossetians,..) can look quite similar to us and we to them.But pashtuns are closest to other central asian people who were genetically not so much influenced by turks and mongols.But we are close to turkemens because most of them are of iranic origin but were turkisized later

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Originally Posted by Vir9

you are a troll and we should ignore people like you. Either you have never seen a pashtun in your whole life or you have some kind of personal hate for pashtuns.Even italians and levantine arabs look closer to us than south asians. Dynamo already posted several afghan samples and some of them even had more european dna than south asian.So explain that? and you still didnt answered my question why pashtuns have predominately west asian or central asian y-dna haplogroups like R1a,Q,G,J) ???

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Mtdna too. Here's my friend maternal lineage. http://s14.postimg.org/63nf91agh/Scr...1_46_53_AM.png

R0a likely originated in the Near East, splitting off from the lineages that would eventually form the H and V haplogroups. R0a arose during the end of the height of the Ice Age, when most of the northern hemisphere was covered in ice. While H and V spread across Europe, R0a stayed primarily in the Near East. Today it can be found at highest frequencies in the Arabian peninsula and some isolated populations in Pakistan, however across the entire region and in northeastern Africa one in ten individuals are R0a. In Europe, R0a is rare outside of certain groups such as Ashkenazi Jews with recent historical ties to the Near East.

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Originally Posted by Vir9

thank for this list and i often regisered that northern caucasians (chechens,ossetians,..) can look quite similar to us and we to them.But pashtuns are closest to other central asian people who were genetically not so much influenced by turks and mongols.But we are close to turkemens because most of them are of iranic origin but were turkisized later

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Being called Central Asian is absolute no problem for me, because yes, we are gebetically very close to them, but South Asians are not, the South. Asian influence is ancient anyways. Turkmens are mostly Western eurasiab but east eurasian shifted. Like I said, truthbetold is posting the same PCA plot again and again, what he doesn't get in that little pea brain of his, is that determines how west eyrasian or East eurasian yiur shifted. Lebanese Muslims turks and iranians are all around 91-94% western eurasian hence they ckuster closely because they have very little eastern eurasian influence, unlike pashtuns and tajiks who have some East Eurasian influence, thus why we are in the 85-88 % range. Plus, samples from southwest and west afghanistan haven't even been done, they might be on the same level as iranians, East eurasuan could be minor influence in them.

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Originally Posted by Dynamo

Mtdna too. Here's my friend maternal lineage. http://s14.postimg.org/63nf91agh/Scr...1_46_53_AM.png

R0a likely originated in the Near East, splitting off from the lineages that would eventually form the H and V haplogroups. R0a arose during the end of the height of the Ice Age, when most of the northern hemisphere was covered in ice. While H and V spread across Europe, R0a stayed primarily in the Near East. Today it can be found at highest frequencies in the Arabian peninsula and some isolated populations in Pakistan, however across the entire region and in northeastern Africa one in ten individuals are R0a. In Europe, R0a is rare outside of certain groups such as Ashkenazi Jews with recent historical ties to the Near East.

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thank you for the information, i have not so much knowledge about mtdna and it is often neglected in genetic studies.

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Originally Posted by MrMalus

Jatt is my new favourite poster.

He fucking AMOGs the incels in this thread so hard that scores of untouchables die with each of his posts.

The hero, the DOM that India deserves. I hereby declare you Indo-Borreby. You can put that on your taxonomy.

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Indo borreby :rotfl:

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Originally Posted by Dynamo

Indo borreby :rotfl:

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Now since you have settled down on being central Asian I would advise u not to laugh too much while driving or u may not see nothing with those Tiny central asan eyes closed and get involved in accident.

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Originally Posted by MrMalus

Jatt is my new favourite poster.

He fucking AMOGs the incels in this thread so hard that scores of untouchables die with each of his posts.

The hero, the DOM that India deserves. I hereby declare you Indo-Borreby. You can put that on your taxonomy.

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thx bro. I don't usually brag about my lineage and stuff but just to give u a perspective we jatts are warrior landlords of South Asia. British called us martial race. In anciet times Alexander the Great sent a letter to his mom telling here everyone is an Alexander. Although he brought to knees the Persians and middle easterners he made a u turn here. He was later kills by Malhi clan of jatts. We have fought many wars with afghans and the northern Pakistan is in Pakistan n not in Afghanistan because of us. That being said other than few deluded afghans we have mutual respect for each other and r happy go marrie people.

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Originally Posted by jatt

thx bro. I don't usually brag about my lineage and stuff but just to give u a perspective we jatts are warrior landlords of South Asia. British called us martial race. In anciet times Alexander the Great sent a letter to his mom telling here everyone is an Alexander. Although he brought to knees the Persians and middle easterners he made a u turn here. He was later kills by Malhi clan of jatts. We have fought many wars with afghans and the northern Pakistan is in Pakistan n not in Afghanistan because of us. That being said other than few deluded afghans we have mutual respect for each other and r happy go marrie people.

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Haha sent a letter to his mom? Looooool. It's the Bactrian people he called Alexander not you jatts. He formed the Greco Bactrian empire which lasted for hundreds of years. His first wife Roxanne was a Bactrian princess, don't see any jatts over here, nope. Jog on mate. Your so ugly.

Btw he was taking the piss outta you looool, you really are deluded

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Originally Posted by jatt

Now since you have settled down on being central Asian I would advise u not to laugh too much while driving or u may not see nothing with those Tiny central asan eyes closed and get involved in accident.

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Funny because the pure central asians, yagghnobis and pamiris are fully caucasoid, the mongoloid influence Is in uzbeks

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Originally Posted by MrMalus

No, Jatt really is my new favourite poster. Alpha among south asians. AMOGs the shit out of the ethnic subforum.

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.He's ugky tho

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Originally Posted by Dynamo

Funny because the pure central asians, yagghnobis and pamiris are fully caucasoid, the mongoloid influence Is in uzbeks

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Uzbeks hazara and many Tajiks of Afghanistan are half mongoloid anyway. Even majority of afghans have last name khan which come from mongolia

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Originally Posted by jatt

Uzbeks hazara and many Tajiks of Afghanistan are half mongoloid anyway. Even majority of afghans have last name khan which come from mongolia

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That's how I you know bollocks, the last name khan is used by pathans, punjabis and indians not afghans. The term khan is actually Turkic not mongoloid you waste of embryo

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Originally Posted by Dynamo

.He's ugky tho

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R u gay or what. No I m not interested in doing u in ass. Doesn't matter if I look ugly to u. Ladies admire me n that's what matter not soMe Mongol shit on Internet. N by the way I have super hot girl n am not sexually frustrated like u

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Originally Posted by Dynamo

Haha sent a letter to his mom? Looooool. It's the Bactrian people he called Alexander not you jatts. He formed the Greco Bactrian empire which lasted for hundreds of years. His first wife Roxanne was a Bactrian princess, don't see any jatts over here, nope. Jog on mate. Your so ugly.

Btw he was taking the piss outta you looool, you really are deluded

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jatts are not part of the indian caste system so they are just shudras/dalits for orthodox hindus.Yes they were good warriors but only after the 17th century and before this period they were nothing special.I hope he is not one of this deluded jatts who think they are descendants of scythians when jatts look just like other indians of punjab.Jatt really reminds me on a not less annoying fat,ugly and small persian guy at school who thought he is the purest descendant of aryans and annoyed anyone with his "superiority complex" but looked like an egyptian.We had much fun with him,especially when we beaten him up

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Originally Posted by Dynamo

That's how I you know bollocks, the last name khan is used by pathans, punjabis and indians not afghans. The term khan is actually Turkic not mongoloid you waste of embryo

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Google urself where khan comes frm. Chengiz khan daddy of all khans

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Originally Posted by jatt

R u gay or what. No I m not interested in doing u in ass. Doesn't matter if I look ugly to u. Ladies admire me n that's what matter not soMe Mongol shit on Internet. N by the way I have super hot girl n am not sexually frustrated like u

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Says the one who jacks off to indian porno. I guess it was Me that bought sexual references into this thread. Looooool super hot girlfriend? Hey come on we know Mrs Singh is a bit chubby but domt take the mickey out of her. How am I gay? I'm just stating facts Bhai, not my fault your South indian genes has dominated your phenotype. Hey look on the bright side, you can be a Tamil model because of yiur brown skin, not black.

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Originally Posted by Vir9

jatts are not part of the indian caste system so they are just shudras/dalits for orthodox hindus.Yes they were good warriors but only after the 17th century and before this period they were nothing special.I hope he is not one of this deluded jatts who think they are descendants of scythians when jatts look just like other indians of punjab.Jatt really reminds me on a not less annoying fat,ugly and small persian guy at school who thought he is the purest descendant of aryans and annoyed anyone with his "superiority complex" but looked like an egyptian.We had much fun with him,especially when we beaten him up

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Hahahahahaha I guess he is deluded, probably having wet dreams over how Alexander analled their ancestors loool. Truth is. I have yet to see a light jatt or Sikh or punjabi. They show me one in million pics.

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Originally Posted by Vir9

jatts are not part of the indian caste system so they are just shudras/dalits for orthodox hindus.Yes they were good warriors but only after the 17th century and before this period they were nothing special.I hope he is not one of this deluded jatts who think they are descendants of scythians when jatts look just like other indians of punjab.Jatt really reminds me on a not less annoying fat,ugly and small persian guy at school who thought he is the purest descendant of aryans and annoyed anyone with his "superiority complex" but looked like an egyptian.We had much fun with him,especially when we beaten him up

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Haha u 2suffer from small man syndrome too like your other afghan buddie Jatts n shudras. HahhahhaahahhHa. Anyways I don't believe in this me better than u stuff

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Originally Posted by jatt

Google urself where khan comes frm. Chengiz khan daddy of all khans

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Your so stupid!!!!! Oh my daze ffs, just because someone used the name doesn't mske IT Mongolian. Look At his real name, the Khan was just a status, in Turkic it means General. Ask the turkish members

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Originally Posted by jatt

Haha u 2suffer from small man syndrome too like your other afghan buddie Jatts n shudras. HahhahhaahahhHa. Anyways I don't believe in this me better than u stuff

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OKAY DEN Big boyyyy, apparently the "jatts and Sikhs" are more than six foot tall, looooool but you have s small cock and stink of daal

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Originally Posted by Dynamo

Says the one who jacks off to indian porno. I guess it was Me that bought sexual references into this thread. Looooool super hot girlfriend? Hey come on we know Mrs Singh is a bit chubby but domt take the mickey out of her. How am I gay? I'm just stating facts Bhai, not my fault your South indian genes has dominated your phenotype. Hey look on the bright side, you can be a Tamil model because of yiur brown skin, not black.

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Mr Snow White here too you showing ur inferiority complex again. How does it matters if I look Tamil or not. These statements make u look a wannabe. I am what I am. And get admired often in real world so as u see I have no effect of your calling me anything. Confidence is another name of jatt.

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Originally Posted by Dynamo

Your so stupid!!!!! Oh my daze ffs, just because someone used the name doesn't mske IT Mongolian. Look At his real name, the Khan was just a status, in Turkic it means General. Ask the turkish members

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Turkish and turkik is not one n a same thing n by the way original Turks were mongoloid anyways. Now as I am in office gotta work.

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Originally Posted by jatt

Turkish and turkik is not one n a same thing n by the way original Turks were mongoloid anyways. Now as I am in office gotta work.

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india was in the last several thousand years just a playground for every invader.Everyone who tried to invade india was succesful and without the british colonial empire afghans would still raid india like in the good old times.

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Originally Posted by Vir9

actually i have more respect for turks and mongols than for indians which country was in the last several thousand years just a playground for every invader.Everyone who tried to invade india was succesful and without the british colonial empire afghans would still raid india like in the good old times.

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But it is still: India. Not that you invaded...!

:)

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Originally Posted by asingh

But it is still: India. Not that you invaded...!

:)

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we dont hate indians and afghans even love your crappy bollywood movies but it is just annoying that some say that we are south asians and belong to india indirectly.We always had our own distinct culture,language and mentality.We are both of indoeuropean origin and iranic and indo-aryan people have many linguistic and cultural similarities but we are also quite different from each other today

Many of the Pashtuns I've met can pass for Mediterranean Europeans. I think one reason why they distance themselves from South Asia is because the Western image of South Asians is associated with Australoid racial mixture. Culturally, I would say Afghans are closer to Iranians than other South Asians, so that's probably another reason.

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Originally Posted by zhaoyun

Many of the Pashtuns I've met can pass for Mediterranean Europeans. I think one reason why they distance themselves from South Asia is because the Western image of South Asians is associated with Australoid racial mixture. Culturally, I would say Afghans are closer to Iranians than other South Asians, so that's probably another reason.

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Couldn't of said it better, culturally I find no affinity towards South asians in terms of language, morality, traditions, music ec. I would be lying if I said some afghans can't pass in South asia, because they can although even our dark ones( cricket players) hav their own distinct look. Genetically,Yes, out of iranians, Kurds turks and levantines, we have the most South asian influence,but could you be that suprised? I mean afghanistan is right next to South asia, and to be fair, our ancestors did pretty well to minimise the admixturew with South asians( thank god for the mountains). I mean, if you compare the average pashtun to the average punjabi, the South asian is more than double. Did you see my two Afghan friends genetic resukts? There's 2 more afghans but I don't access to it right now.

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Originally Posted by Vir9

india was in the last several thousand years just a playground for every invader.Everyone who tried to invade india was succesful and without the british colonial empire afghans would still raid india like in the good old times.

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Haha without the resistance of afghanistan during the Cold War against the soviets, all these communists country like the Central asian Republic, Eastern Europe and more would not have been freed. Our resistance gave a way for all these countries to claim their freedom. As for India, well, don't get it wrong, it's a great country with a long history, but the British really made indians wipe their ass. Never to afghans. They're still trying and still failing. Nothing new to them. Ask any Brit and they'll throw a fucking tantrum.

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Originally Posted by Vir9

india was in the last several thousand years just a playground for every invader.Everyone who tried to invade india was succesful and without the british colonial empire afghans would still raid india like in the good old times.

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Afghanistan was the doormat of every invader before they invaded india. Even today your country is used as a whore by Pakistan n west. Daily violated forget india even Pakistan can turn your country into parking lot.

Those central Asian invaders were parasites with no civilization of their own Other than how to live in a tent they knew nothing. Once gunpowder was invented these invaders became the worlds biggest sissies we know today

N regarding mugals. Their kin work as domestic helpers n dishwashers in restaurants of delhi

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Originally Posted by jatt

Those central Asian invaders were parasites with no civilization of their own Other than how to live in a tent they knew nothing. Once gunpowder was invented these invaders became the worlds biggest sissies we know today

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the languages you and most other indians speak are also just a relict of indoeuropean central asian invaders 3000 years ago who subjugated the local dravidians and forced them to speak indo-aryan languages like sanskrit.So your whole civilization is based on the invasion of central asian indoeuropean tribes.Many indians can not accept this facts and create this stupid out of india theories because they can not accept that aryans invaded them and that their own language came from "barbaric" invaders from the northwest