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Yes. There are many proofs who relate Bulgarian language with other Iranics. Literally, Slavic nations and Iranic nations are historical brothers. Specially by origin and language.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pahliski
Turks are some different civilisation from them.
Yes, something like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pahliski
Only Scytho-Sarmatians are responsible for the linguistic and cultural connection to the Slavs in terms of borrow words, other Iranic populations were way too remote.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic
By linguistic terms, older Iranian dialects have a good share of similar words, don't remember them all but there are quite few.
its because they settled there many millenias before modern era.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic
http://alterling2.narod.ru/English/Maps/BulgarsE.PNG
http://alterling.ucoz.de/_si/0/s08183770.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/TYUauXa.png
On the map, purple dots mark localities with Bulgarish origin of the name, which may correspond to the times of CWC or close to them. Maroon – the later, of Scythian period. Asterisks mark known single or group sites of CWC. Browns show the area of Indo-Europeans, and green is the territory of the spread Fatyanovo and Balanovo cultures. Hydronyms of Bulgarish origin are indicated by turquoise dots.
So what is Turkic evidance about it? Does proto-Bulgars looked similar to other Turks in ancient time?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kipchak Håkan
look at the Chuvashs, they speak a modern Bolgar-Turkic language but no Turk understand them. Bulgars do have much IE Germanic parallels.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic
Yeah. I am speaking about similar nature of language, between Slavic and Iranian. Words are today of course very different. 2 different civilisations, 2 different continents.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pahliski
IE yeah. But Germanic? I don't see any Germanic connection with them in history and migrations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kipchak Håkan
but please note - those similarities only between Iranic and South Slavic
Klyosov from the same paper: "Те же языки, в своем развитии, составляли неИЕ языки древней Европы, которые от современных молодых тюркских, конечно, ушли уже очень далеко, и которые до сих пор составляют мощный «доИЕ субстрат» в европейских языках, в частности, в германских."Quote:
Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic
Google Translate: "The same languages, in their development, were the non-IndoEuropean languages of ancient Europe, which of course from the modern young Turkic countries have already gone very far, and which still constitute a powerful "pre-IndoEuropean substratum" in European languages, in particular, in Germanic."
look up: --> Chuvash-Germanic lexicon
Avestan "atraš" sound similar to croatian "vatra" but the hell nothing common with polish ogień (fire)
Poles and others with R1a - Turkic
South Slavs with I2a1 - Persian
Yeah. But i think that he (as Russian person) is exaggerating about this Turko-Germanic relativities. I think that his speechs are not objective, but subjective (toward Germanic origin peoples).Quote:
Originally Posted by Kipchak Håkan
Still i don't think that R1a is Turkic haplogroup.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sundqvist
I2a1 are Croats and Bosniaks mostly, Serbs are mostly R1a peope.
This. Thread can be closed. Everything important was said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sundqvist
Btw. "Persian" and "Iranian" are not same origin. South Slavs are not Persians.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sundqvist
No they are not, population of Persia changed a lot. At some point in time it was populated by Greeks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic
Sorry you have nothing with Odin, you are Tengri steppe Turk.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anatolian Stallion
it is in accordance with Carleton Coon's Altaic Corded Ware culture: https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/chapter-VII3.htmQuote:
Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic
No, he is a Middle Eastern looking sandnigger.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic
And Avestan word for fire is "Atar" not "Atrash"
Anyways, R1 comes from the EHG males that populated Russia prior to the Yamnaya culture
I2 = Very first Europeans
Odin was an Asian Tyrk shaman:Quote:
Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic
https://udfordringen.dk/2005/12/odin...iatisk-shaman/
In wich time?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kipchak Håkan
1st millennium BCQuote:
Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic
If he was OK. At least Perun was not :)))Quote:
Originally Posted by Kipchak Håkan
But again this Anatolian Stallion has nothing to do with this Asian Shamanist Odin.
Anatolian Stallion looks like middle-eastern not like a real Central Asian Turk.
Kurds are high in I2a, too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anatolian Stallion
https://aryanity.files.wordpress.com...-3-figure3.jpg
a few weeks ago I had a conversation about haplogroup I with another Slavic guy: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...01#post4644801
Ancestors of I2 originated in Eastern Mediterranean area, later they moved to Europe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplog...toric_presence
[QUOTE]Basal I2* (I-M438*) has been found in ancient remains from Frankthi cave, in the eastern Peloponnese region of Greece. Along with its modern presence in Crete and Sicily, this may suggest that the haplogroup originated in the Eastern Mediterranean.
Just wanted to remind: basal I* and IJ* is only found in the Caucasus and Iran. I in general originated from the same area. Highest frequency of I in the near East is found among Kurds:
Zaza Kurds:
https://i.imgur.com/u6pc4aE.png
https://i.imgur.com/qUEvmoJ.png
Kurmandji Kurds:
https://i.imgur.com/RKJ9FAT.png
https://i.imgur.com/NA2ZyVc.png
[QUOTE=Kipchak Håkan;4743074]Kurds are high in I2a, too.
https://aryanity.files.wordpress.com...-3-figure3.jpg
a few weeks ago I had a conversation about haplogroup I with another Slavic guy: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...01#post4644801
Ancestors of I2 originated in Eastern Mediterranean area, later they moved to Europe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplog...toric_presence
There are no relativities between Slavs and Kurds in fact, on any base. Old Horvathi and Sorbi are not connected with Kurds.Quote:
Basal I2* (I-M438*) has been found in ancient remains from Frankthi cave, in the eastern Peloponnese region of Greece. Along with its modern presence in Crete and Sicily, this may suggest that the haplogroup originated in the Eastern Mediterranean.
Just wanted to remind: basal I* and IJ* is only found in the Caucasus and Iran. I in general originated from the same area. Highest frequency of I in the near East is found among Kurds:
Zaza Kurds:
https://i.imgur.com/u6pc4aE.png
https://i.imgur.com/qUEvmoJ.png
Kurmandji Kurds:
https://i.imgur.com/RKJ9FAT.png
It was already the first modern humans from the Orient who began to settle Europe about 46 000 years ago. They were carriers of the Aurignac culture, possibly with haplogroup J. Therefore, similarities between Southern Slavs and Orientals are not out of the question - we know from anthropological science that Armenoids are reduced Iranids and Dinarids are a European variant of the Armenoids. These flowing transitions can also be revealed genetically as well as physiognomically.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kipchak Håkan
Vlade Divac prime example of a Dinarid can pass from Iran to Armenia without problems.
http://www.sacbee.com/latest-news/j6...0team%20around
This phenotype is not common for South Slavs in reallity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anatolian Stallion
South Slavic average:
http://informer.rs/data/images/2015-...k-kostic_f.jpg
I bet the Ma'lta boy and other prehistoric males with R haplogroup looked more like Ainu people than modern-day mongoloids:
http://www.oldphotosjapan.com/images/486.jpg
https://archive.li/17PZO/6e56dcc1175...b10bd13dcb.jpg
http://www.ultrakulture.com/wp-conte...d-Ainu-Man.jpg
Bullshit, prehistoric WHG males had usually C haplogroup which is "mongoloid" haplogroup.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pahli