But this doesn't make it so.
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VikLevaPatel
The PuntDNAL "ENF" and "European_HG" results are completely off mark and I have no way of comparing the GEDmatch MDLP K11 "EHG" result. Illustrative DNA gives a reasonably good figure or percent (11.4%) for European Hunter-Gatherer although the Anatolian Neolithic Farmer result (1.2%) is completely inaccurate and should be closer to if not the same as the Early European Farmer (EEF) or First European Farmer (FEF) result (8-10 percent). The results confirm that the earliest Neolithic central Anatolians belonged to the same gene pool as the first Neolithic migrants spreading into Europe.
EEF was or may have been "90% Anatolian", as noted here and elsewhere, and it may make sense to claim (as has been done on the Eupedia site) that "all modern Europeans are at least 30 percent-plus Neolithic Anatolian", with some Europeans even scoring at over the fifty percent mark. It may make logical sense, and it may even make biological sense, but that doesn't automatically make it right. Saying so doesn't make it so. And something said often enough does not make it so.
Maybe it's time to STOP making certain claims. And Āryadeva had written that a person who makes no claims, either that anything exists or that something does not exist, cannot be refuted. :noidea::shrug::eek2::icon_eyes::scratch:
As a rule, simply saying or claiming something does NOT make it true! And believing something doesn't make it so, either. Similarly, one man's declaring he's the messiah doesn't make it so as well. :crucify::jew::halo:
It is not disputable that the first farmers from Anatolia brought farming to Europe and represent the single largest ancestral component in modern-day Europeans. But that does not mean that the scores or results are translatable from one to the other. The following simple example illustrates this point.
Family Tree DNA gave me a score of 10% for the "Early European Farmer" (EEF) category, whereas Genomelink gave me a score of 8%. And the Genoplot admixes give a score range of 7 to 9. Combined they give a total score ranging from 7 to 10, with a higher score indicating more accurate predictions.
But seriously, the results or scores for the Farmer & HG category on the ILLUSTRATIVE DNA site are way off base.
For one thing, the score for the Anatolian Neolithic Farmer component was a measly 1.2%. See here. :banging head:disapproving
After all, those scores are "so low as to be practically negligible."
Shouldn't it be higher? Of course it should be. This is way, way, way off reality. What else can one say other than that different studies present very different results.
Another thing to remember is that they are a simulation, and they are a reality that didn't happen but could have. But that's not reality, right? Reality is not so simple, and in reality, matters are not so simple. (And, mark you, aren't I glad for the caste system.)
Reality versus simulation, reality versus fantasy, film versus music, male versus female, it could go on forever.
That's why the scores get so low or so high.
Generally they are limited, as they are simulation-based.
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The K35 calculator on the GenePlaza website shows that the geographical range of European Neolithic Farmers covers a vast area extending across Europe and Asia Minor and including both diverse environments and widely varying climatic conditions, and the region from central Anatolia, in present-day Turkey, in the East to Germany and the UK in the West.
See map for details and list of ancient bronze and iron age cultures.
Map from Dilawer Khan's K35 calculator (Available at geneplaza.com): https://i.ibb.co/cbjSbRS/map.jpg
Basically my score should have been higher and the Anatolian score should be around the 5% mark. In other words, around half of the EEF score, or to put the point another way, the EEF score is double that of the Anatolian score.
See my Bronze Age DNA Test results here: https://i.ibb.co/PDGNSK4/yam.png, https://i.ibb.co/w70zfQm/yamn.png
And here's a very informative and detailed review of the GenePlaza site, by Lucas Bird: https://resources.selfdecode.com/blog/geneplaza-review/
And here is his Bronze Age DNA test result: https://resources.selfdecode.com/app...9-2048x945.png
Notice the low score (1.4%) for the 'Anatolia' component.
But I'll tell you who does have a high Anatolian count or score. And they are the Iranian Scythians. Here's a side-by-side comparison:
https://i.ibb.co/VJ6VQt5/scyth.png
For this one they scored a high 30.
See Also: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...29#post7518729
The genetic distance data should, in addition, be "translatable" into results or into percentage scores. In other words, the ancestry results can be compared against the genetic distances (proxies of time since divergence), and vice versa. The two should either match each other or complement each other. However, this might not necessarily always be the case.
So, like in this example, this Map My Genes Archaeology Edition, by Vladimir Naumov & Vadim Lagutin, compares DNA samples to more than 3,500 ancient DNA samples from archaeological excavations throughout the world. Some samples are 40,000 years old. In particular, and in my case, this component certainly shows up again and again.
Group Label, distance
Anatolia_IA.SG (1300-600 BCE), 1.822983
Anatolia_MLBA.SG (2500-1200 BCE), 2.236528
Anatolia_EBA.SG (3000-2500 BCE), 2.521638
Anatolia_N_Tepecik_Ciftlik.SG (6635-6475 cal BCE), 3.003962
Anatolia_N_Boncuklu.SG (8279-7977 cal BCE), 3.631295
Anatolia_N.SG (6419-6238 cal BCE), 3.900376
Anatolia_N (6220-6064 cal BCE), 5.073900
Anatolia_Ottoman1.SG (1200-1950 CE), 5.103144
https://i.ibb.co/Smbhrnt/mmg.png
And here are the distances to the various Scythian groups:
Moldova_Scythian.SG (390-205 cal BCE), 2.532332
Moldova_Scythian.SG (397-209 cal BCE), 3.357129
Hungary_Scythian.SG (735-392 cal BCE), 3.826302
Hungary_Prescythian_IA.SG (980-830 cal BCE), 4.343326
Hungary_Scythian.SG (774-431 cal BCE), 4.820540
Ukraine_Scythian.SG (795-542 cal BCE), 5.398666
Hungary_Scythian.SG (749-398 cal BCE), 5.483444
Ukraine_Scythian.SG (768-431 cal BCE), 6.163891
Moldova_Scythian_o2.SG (380-203 cal BCE), 6.189295
https://i.ibb.co/v3vkB84/scythian.png
