I repeat, those samples tested so far are too northwest to be Goths in that time period.Quote:
Originally Posted by Litvin
Didn't you say modern samples don't matter at all? Seems you are just cherrypicking whatever fits you.
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I repeat, those samples tested so far are too northwest to be Goths in that time period.Quote:
Originally Posted by Litvin
Didn't you say modern samples don't matter at all? Seems you are just cherrypicking whatever fits you.
Litwin just reported what he read.Quote:
Originally Posted by cosmoo
It is not his interpretation.
My father results in K15. No East-Med at all...Quote:
Originally Posted by XenophobicPrussian
Half Mazovia / Half Central Poland.
North_Sea 21.05
Atlantic 18.79
Baltic 30.28
Eastern_Euro 20.15
West_Med 4.61
West_Asian 3.64
East_Med -
Red_Sea 0.54
South_Asian 0.29
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.65
Markowice_7
North_Sea 12.20
Atlantic 17.33
Baltic 39.91
Eastern_Euro 24.00
West_Med 5.54
West_Asian -
East_Med -
Red_Sea -
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 1.02
Eutest
father
SOUTH_BALTIC 31.60
EAST_EURO 21.08
NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 20.24
ATLANTIC 14.44
WEST_MED 7.30
EAST_MED -
WEST_ASIAN 4.92
MIDDLE_EASTERN -
SOUTH_ASIAN -
EAST_AFRICAN 0.20
EAST_ASIAN -
SIBERIAN -
WEST_AFRICAN 0.22
Anyone sure Jordanes writings were accurate? He also claimed all slavs descend from serbs I guess he meant sorbs
He claimed that all Slavs came from Veneds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dick
Vienna Venetians it all makes senseQuote:
Originally Posted by Sir Rethel of Retheley
Xenophobic Prussian, if you score East_Med time to change name to XenophobicPalestinian. :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by mlukas
Still ur father has the west Asian component yet Markowice none.Quote:
Originally Posted by mlukas
Yes. But it's not east-med. I'm not talking that my father is Markowice twin:)Quote:
Originally Posted by karol.klacansky
Yes but west Asian and east med are related components. I would expect original slavs to also carry traces of this. It's surprising to me if they don't. Still sometimes I wonder if the original slavs already were broken up into some different groups. Maybe more northern slavs in Slavic Homeland were Baltic and southern type were Ukrainian more.Quote:
Originally Posted by mlukas
Not necessarily. They are two different components. And XenophobicPrussian was also wrong when he claimed that all of Neolithic and Post-Neolithic Europeans have East_Med in Eurogenes K15:Quote:
Originally Posted by karol.klacansky
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...=1#post4501467
For example K15 results of North Italian Remedello culture, RISE487 (3483-3107 BC):
Population
North_Sea 0.15
Atlantic 42.42
Baltic 2.54
Eastern_Euro -
West_Med 54.89
West_Asian -
East_Med -
Red_Sea -
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
Oracle results:
Kit T699825
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 West_Med 54.89
2 Atlantic 42.42
3 Baltic 2.54
4 North_Sea 0.15
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Sardinian 24.7
2 French_Basque 30.85
3 Spanish_Aragon 34.13
4 Southwest_French 34.24
5 Spanish_Andalucia 34.73
6 Spanish_Cantabria 34.76
7 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 35.2
8 Spanish_Valencia 35.9
9 Spanish_Extremadura 38.18
10 Spanish_Murcia 38.32
11 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 38.33
12 Spanish_Cataluna 38.94
13 Portuguese 39.16
14 Spanish_Galicia 40.15
15 North_Italian 40.25
16 Tuscan 43.94
17 French 46.28
18 West_Sicilian 47.4
19 Greek 48.58
20 Mozabite_Berber 49.27
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 65.2% Sardinian + 34.8% French_Basque @ 21.77
2 82.6% Sardinian + 17.4% Southwest_French @ 24.16
3 83.8% Sardinian + 16.2% Spanish_Aragon @ 24.26
4 86.4% Sardinian + 13.6% Spanish_Cantabria @ 24.39
5 88.6% Sardinian + 11.4% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 24.48
6 91.6% Sardinian + 8.4% Spanish_Valencia @ 24.58
7 92.1% Sardinian + 7.9% Spanish_Andalucia @ 24.61
8 97.7% Sardinian + 2.3% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 24.69
9 98.8% Sardinian + 1.2% Spanish_Cataluna @ 24.7
10 100% Sardinian + 0% Irish @ 24.7
11 100% Sardinian + 0% Abhkasian @ 24.7
12 100% Sardinian + 0% Adygei @ 24.7
13 100% Sardinian + 0% Afghan_Hazara @ 24.7
14 100% Sardinian + 0% Afghan_Pashtun @ 24.7
15 100% Sardinian + 0% Afghan_Tadjik @ 24.7
16 100% Sardinian + 0% Afghan_Turkmen @ 24.7
17 100% Sardinian + 0% Afghan_Uzbeki @ 24.7
18 100% Sardinian + 0% Algerian @ 24.7
19 100% Sardinian + 0% Algerian_Jewish @ 24.7
20 100% Sardinian + 0% Altaian @ 24.7
Woah. Pretty cool stuff. I remember some anthrotards were arguing how Wielbark was just some Prussian-like tribe, not Goths. This should shut them up good.
http://i.imgur.com/TcWdbZN.jpg
http://www.portel.pl/kultura/jak-wyg...z-weklic/53277
Looks like a mixture of Bell beaker and Nordic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cniva
It looks like some guy I know who's of German-Swedish descent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dick
That would make sense too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cniva
https://media.tenor.com/images/8b43c...a86e/tenor.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by Litvin
Anthrotards would probably classify him as "keltic nordid" which is basically Corded nordid+Bell beaker. Coon's example is more on the Bell beaker side while the reconstruction os more on the Corded side but similar in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cniva
http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/troe294.jpg
Another good example of Corded Nordic/Battle Axe+Bell beaker is Dick Van Dyke.
http://clickamericana.com/wp-content...-1-400x400.jpg
Chernahov reconstructions, probably GothsQuote:
Originally Posted by Cniva
https://s11.postimg.org/m8o23wx83/czern.jpg
Looks like a Polish thug lmfaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Cniva
Here I posted a little summary of Y-DNA samples known so far:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...=1#post4503047
This I1a3 from Iron Age Poland (Wielbark) does not confirm Scandinavian origin of Goths:
KO_55, Poland, Wielbark culture, Kowalewko (100-300 AD), I1a3a1a1-Y6626
See below:
https://aleximreh.files.wordpress.co...oth1.png?w=768
From Eupedia:
"(...) It corresponds to the Z63+ subclade. I1a3-Z63+ subclade is virtually absent from Nordic countries. It is most common in Central Germany, the Benelux, England, Lowland Scotland, as well as Poland. It has also been found in Russia, Ukraine, the Balkans, Italy, Spain and Portugal. Y2245.2+ makes up a big part of the Z63 in Russia, Ukraine, Poland, the Balkans, Italy and Iberia. It could have been spread by the Goths. BY351+ is a subclade found in Portugal, Spain, Italy (including Sardinia). It was probably spread by the Visigoths and Ostrogoths. (...)"
I swear I saw that guy at the bus stop once.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pahli
He could even be Danish lmfaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Litvin
We already talked about it before:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...=1#post4036586
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...=1#post4036589
Litvin i1 spread to Scandinavia from the mainland in he first place and Z63 exists in Scandinavia it's not virtually absent. I still think they came from Jutland.Quote:
Originally Posted by Litvin
ME_7, Markowice (1000-1200 AD), I1a2a2a5-Y5384
He is one of these peasant skeletons shown here:
http://strzelno3.bloog.pl/id,3425472...tticaid=6197b0
http://pu.i.wp.pl/bloog/94156279/483...543_VH_big.jpgQuote:
Leżące na najżyźniejszych glebach naszej gminy Markowice, zdają się swymi korzeniami sięgać bardzo odległych wieków. Bliskość Niemojewka i związane z tą miejscowością znaleziska, upewniają nas, że u zarania państwowości polskiej Markowice stanowić mogły wykształconą już osadę. Dotychczasowe znalezisko zdaje się utwierdzić moje domysły zawarte w tejże książce, że początki Markowic, jako wykształconej wsi i to dużej wsi sięgają początków chrześcijaństwa na tym terenie. Jednakże dopiero końcowe wyniki badań pozwolą na pełniejszy wgląd w pozostałości po pradziejowym osadnictwie na tym obszarze.
An Early Medieval I2a-Din peasant (?) was also found:
http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...l=1#post257687
NA_13, Niemcza, (900-1000 AD), I2a1b2-L621
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Markowice are Group NE (rural settlements), as for Niemcza I'm not sure if they are NE or E:
http://s4.postimg.org/cnzq9ygcd/Piast_realm.png
I've heard rumours / leaks about 2 samples from Group E (Elites) who are R1a.
Including one R1a-M458>L260 and one undetermined branch of R1a.
Meanwhile, Markowice I1-M253 is Non-Elites for sure, and Niemcza probably too.
The Piasts are confirmed R1b.
So far we have R1b Royalty > R1a Elites > other haplogroups in rural settlements.
One R1a is from a high-ranking aristocrat associated with the Komes of Wrocław:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Komes
This R1a is not from the Komes himself, but from one of his high-ranking nobiles.
As for the Komes himself, I don't know what was his Y-DNA but he was also tested.
About Vandals who stayed in Poland (probably the same applied to Goths):
From Procopius, History of the Wars, III, xxii, 13-16:
"(...) Now as for those Vandals who remained in their native land, neither remembrance nor any name of them has been preserved to my time. (...) they were either overpowered by the neighbouring barbarians or they were mingled with them [Slavs] not at all unwillingly and their name gave way to that of their conquerors. Indeed, when the Vandals were conquered at that time by Belisarius, no thought occurred to them to go from there to their ancestral homes. For they were not able to convey themselves suddenly from Libya to Europe, especially as they had no ships at hand, but paid the penalty [2] there for all the wrongs they had done the Romans and especially the Zacynthians. (...)"
[2] In Arcana, 18, 5 ff., Procopius estimates the number of the Vandals in Africa, at the time of Belisarius, at 80,000 males, and intimates that practically all perished.
One did run to Kamerun, and founded localQuote:
Originally Posted by Litvin
V88 branch of Wandalans around his Hausa :)
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Destroyer
^^^ Poles built the Bosnian Pyramids!
"Archaeology of Early Medieval Poland" by Andrzej Buko (English edition):
https://brego-weard.com/lib/ns/The_A...and_Discov.pdf
https://books.google.pl/books?id=i6A...%20981&f=false
Quite interesting lecture about the cementary in Bodzia from
the period 965-1035 where were find people from everywhere,
and they were quite rich. Franks, Moravians, Rusins, Northmen,
maybe also Chazars migriting to Kuyavia. It would be interesting
to test them to see, what DNA they brought here.
Russkie had I1.
(Tyrolian autosomaly???)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGq3tF4Xt5g
No, it has to be from Balts.Quote:
Originally Posted by XenophobicPrussian
Now this is some brutal looking face.Quote:
Originally Posted by War Chef
Just to heat up an atmosphere a bit: there are going to be many more results coming from the Goths in what is now Poland including also R1a-Z284 and at least two Z280s but samples are predominantly I1 so far (mostly under S2077 with one L22). I can't say when it becomes public though.
We are talking about old good one Figlerowicz study or something new?:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Artek
Something new. It goes from a Neolithic up to the Medieval period.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucas
Łódź or Warszawa this time?Quote:
Originally Posted by Artek
Interesting....Are there and Y-DNA haplogroup J2a samples among the results do you know?Quote:
Originally Posted by Artek
Hej czy otrzymałeś moją dzisiejszą prywatną wiadomość tutaj?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucas