Krajina Serb (from Banija) results

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Originally Posted by Moje ime

Yes.

Baltic is not only "northern" input among Serbs, why is that so much important to you?

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I was just asking. Not that important but interesting since the Serbs are a Slavic people. Baltic is the largest component for Slavs (Poles, Russians, etc.). And I didn't mean some Serbs are more Serbian than others, apparently there is some variation in most ethnic groups.

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Originally Posted by Leto

I was just asking. Not that important but interesting since the Serbs are a Slavic people. And I didn't mean some Serbs are more Serbian than others, apparently there is some variation in most ethnic groups.

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Ok.

I understood that some Celtic and/or Germanic input could already be among Slavs before arrival to Balkan.

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Originally Posted by Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić

He doesn't cluster close to Hungarians mate, Hungarians are more western than Croatian average.
Dude clearly said he's pure Croat, what is with this insisting he's somehow foreign lmao , just because he's not identical with Banija Serb or what ?

I don't see why they should be. Serb aren't natives there unlike Croats.

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Banija Croats aren't native there. They mostly came to Banija from Lika in 18th century.

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Originally Posted by Dick

Exactly. What matters is crushing our enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women!

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I like the particular part about their women Lol

I am partly Banovina Croatian, 1/16 from village near Hrvatska Kostajnica. If I look at surname, it is from Prevlaka (Southern Dalmatia) or/and Montenegro. Arrived there probably fleeing Ottomans. It also exist in western Istria in huge amount.

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Originally Posted by HungryLion

I like the particular part about their women Lol

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https://youtu.be/NzvFNLAnYNw

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Originally Posted by Carpatz

If a Serb shifts just a tiny bit south from the Serb average, you assume that he must have Albanian/Sandzakian/Vlach origins, yet this guy is just a typical Serb according to you xD.

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Very strange ... And what about the Stokavian Croats who are closer to me than the northwestern Croats?I think this is useless
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Originally Posted by HungryLion

Very strange ... And what about the Stokavian Croats who are closer to me than the northwestern Croats?I think this is useless
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You are inside Kajkavian/Northwest Croatian cluster.

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Originally Posted by Leeloo

I am partly Banovina Croatian, 1/16 from village near Hrvatska Kostajnica. If I look at surname, it is from Prevlaka (Southern Dalmatia) or/and Montenegro. Arrived there probably fleeing Ottomans. It also exist in western Istria in huge amount.

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Me to..Interesting..I saw the results of your parents and they are very similar to mine.I believe it's a natural ..

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Originally Posted by Leeloo

You are inside Kajkavian/Northwest Croatian cluster.

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it depends on the calculator you're looking at )))

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Originally Posted by HungryLion

Me to..Interesting..I saw the results of your parents and they are very similar to mine.I believe it's a natural ..

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Cool! My ancestry is from Divusa.

https://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divu%C5%A1a

there is a chance that our parents might know each other, or someone from the wider family...
I am from Dvor, and other side is from Rosulje neer kostajnica .
https://bs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosulj...ka_Kostajnica)

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Originally Posted by The Devil's Advocate

Banija Croats aren't native there. They mostly came to Banija from Lika in 18th century.

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And in Lika they arrived from Herzegovina (Bunjevci).

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Originally Posted by Pribislav

Serb from HungryLion's region (Banija). He is more southern than HungryLion, but still more northern and western from Serbian average.
https://i.imgur.com/0SPuOLR.png

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Components.

North_Sea 19.73
Baltic 18.35
Atlantic 16.18
West_Med 12.99
Eastern_Euro 12.97
East_Med 10.47
West_Asian 9.01
Red_Sea 0.21
Siberian 0.08
South_Asian 0.01

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Originally Posted by Pribislav

And in Lika they arrived from Herzegovina (Bunjevci).

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Yep

I did not expect such results with regard to the location from He comes, as well as to the his potential haplogroup. Definitely, it might be expected that the results of some new tested( from my area) ones will be closer to me, I am familiar with the structure of the villages in this area..I can say that I am little surprised I was expected him to be more south shifted.

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Originally Posted by HungryLion

I did not expect such results with regard to the location from He comes, as well as to the his potential haplogroup. Definitely, it might be expected that the results of some new tested( from my area) ones will be closer to me, I am familiar with the structure of the villages in this area..I can say that I am little surprised I was expected him to be more south shifted.

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Average Banija Serbs are probably between you and him. He is little more souther and you are little more norther than average, I would say.

Interesting to me that both you and him are more western than Croatian average. You and him (especially you) are quite more western than Banija Croatian which Hrvoje posted.

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Originally Posted by Pribislav

Average Banija Serbs are probably between you and him. He is little more souther and you are little more norther than average, I would say.

Interesting to me that both you and him are more western than Croatian average. You and him (especially you) are quite more western than Banija Croatian which Hrvoje posted.

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yes, that's interesting. But I think that Croatians from Banija, at least from my part, should be similar to Serbian results, since people looked almost identical.
I'd say you're right about the average for Banija.
I believe that the Croatians from Kostajnica should be close to the results of the Serbs from this region. I think that they will not be too eastern as it was with the one Croatian sample

Although it is never known, the individual factor can always prevail in a certain direction

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Originally Posted by HungryLion

yes, that's interesting. But I think that Croatians from Banija, at least from my part, should be similar to Serbian results, since people looked almost identical.
I'd say you're right about the average for Banija.
I believe that the Croatians from Kostajnica should be close to the results of the Serbs from this region. I think that they will not be too eastern as it was with the one Croatian sample

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Banija Croatian which Hrvoje posted is weird. He ploting eastern as Stears (half Szekely), but more northern than Stears.

Your K15 map in higher resolution. You are even slightly more western than Austrians.
https://i.imgur.com/v6uFZFT.png


I think Jana (Leeloo) is close to you on K15 map.

Possible, though I think Lelo is a bit more northern

Honestly I don't understand how pure Serb can be close to Austrian on K15 map.

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Originally Posted by Moje ime

Honestly I don't understand how pure Serb can be close to Austrian on K15 map.

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At K15, in my case there was an increased component of the North Sea, this also happened on K47.
However, when the option of Central Europe is present, this level drops significantly to normal.
The simple explanation is that the results can sometimes be overtaken to the north or northwest side, many times the various calculators are mixing it, as K12b can reduce the percentage of northern Europe by parting North Atlantic into the Atlantic Med.
I talked to a professional about my results, there is nothing special about it.

The Eurogenes K13 calculator gives the most accurate picture, because he is well balanced

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Originally Posted by HungryLion

At K15, in my case there was an increased component of the North Sea, this also happened on K47.
However, when the option of Central Europe is present, this level drops significantly to normal.
The simple explanation is that the results can sometimes be overtaken to the north or northwest side, many times the various calculators are mixing it, as K12b can reduce the percentage of northern Europe by parting North Atlantic into the Atlantic Med.
I talked to a professional about my results, there is nothing special about it.

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I have increased North Sea and Atlantic too but it seems you have more Eastern Euro component and less West Asian and East Med components so that must be reason.
But still I don't understand how is that possible to went so far from Serbian average on map.

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Originally Posted by Moje ime

Honestly I don't understand how pure Serb can be close to Austrian on K15 map.

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You came from Belarus according to Poreklo.rs so Pribislav and others agreed that ... "the closer to the North" the more Pure Serb you are.

I think the same, just opposite.

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Originally Posted by HungryLion

At K15, in my case there was an increased component of the North Sea, this also happened on K47.
However, when the option of Central Europe is present, this level drops significantly to normal.
The simple explanation is that the results can sometimes be overtaken to the north or northwest side, many times the various calculators are mixing it, as K12b can reduce the percentage of northern Europe by parting North Atlantic into the Atlantic Med.
I talked to a professional about my results, there is nothing special about it.

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True.
Leeloo (Jana) and Vlatko Vukovic got more North Euro on K12b than you. But on the most serious calculator K13 Eurogenes you are more northern shifted than Vlatko Vukovic and same as Leeloo.
Part of you northern genetic on K12b is hidden under the Atlantic Med.
K13 is much better and more acuarate calculator than K12b.

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Originally Posted by Moje ime

I have increased North Sea and Atlantic too but it seems you have more Eastern Euro component and less West Asian and East Med components so that must be reason.
But still I don't understand how is that possible to went so far from Serbian average on map.

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I really do not know. I think that it should be taken into account that the Serbian average has long overcome and that a new one should be made.
I agree with you, my results look normal when looking at the values, but on this chart I'm pretty much northwest.
I believe that the absence of some eastern components is the reason for this, and not some extreme increase in the northern components...I do not think it gives a clear picture, because I am certainly not really close to the Austrians.

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Originally Posted by HungryLion

I really do not know. I think that it should be taken into account that the Serbian average has long overcome and that a new one should be made.
I agree with you, my results look normal when looking at the values, but on this chart I'm pretty much northwest.
I believe that the absence of some eastern components is the reason for this, and not some extreme increase in the northern components...I do not think it gives a clear picture, because I am certainly not really close to the Austrians.

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Yes, absence of south eastern components.

When I talked to people who really understand this topic, I mean the professionals, they understood it all and talked about it with ease.
I am aware of the conviction that not only do we not have enough knowledge, but probably also misinterpret many results. Also, I do not think that the maps are overly reliable, since a good part of the calculator does not give the best picture, how to expect that the maps are quite relevant

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Originally Posted by HungryLion

I really do not know. I think that it should be taken into account that the Serbian average has long overcome and that a new one should be made.
I agree with you, my results look normal when looking at the values, but on this chart I'm pretty much northwest.
I believe that the absence of some eastern components is the reason for this, and not some extreme increase in the northern components...I do not think it gives a clear picture, because I am certainly not really close to the Austrians.

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You are lack of exotic components on many calculators.

For example you are Serb with lowest Gedrosia and Southwest_Asian score on K12b from what I know. You have low West_Asian on K13.

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Originally Posted by Moje ime

Yes, absence of south eastern components.

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Exactly. It would be weird that the "north "components were abnormally increased, but they are not, I say again, the maps are not the most precisely and most reliable measure.

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Originally Posted by Gedza

You came from Belarus according to Poreklo.rs so Pribislav and others agreed that ... "the closer to the North" the more Pure Serb you are.

I think the same, just opposite.

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Proto-Serbs came from Western Czechia, not from Belarus.

Proto-Serbs came to the Balkans from north, and that means Serbs who more northern ploting are closer to proto-Serbs than southern ploting ones. Very simple.

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Originally Posted by Gedza

You came from Belarus according to Poreklo.rs so Pribislav and others agreed that ... "the closer to the North" the more Pure Serb you are.

I think the same, just opposite.

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I do not think it's something very important.
In the end, the Serbs probably came from several directions

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Originally Posted by Pribislav

I think Jana (Leeloo) is close to you on K15 map.

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That is right :D

https://i.imgur.com/wDD2tu0.png

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Originally Posted by Leeloo

That is right :D

https://i.imgur.com/wDD2tu0.png

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You and HungryLion are quite close on K13 Eurogenes as well.

HungryLion
1 Baltic 33.25
2 North_Atlantic 28.71
3 West_Med 15.85
4 East_Med 12.81
5 West_Asian 6.84
6 Red_Sea 1.71
7 Siberian 0.67
8 Oceanian 0.15

Leeloo
1 Baltic 32.36
2 North_Atlantic 29.78
3 West_Med 15.85
4 West_Asian 11.11
5 East_Med 9.41
6 Siberian 0.97
7 East_Asian 0.52

K13
https://i.postimg.cc/3RK59vyR/marc19b.png

Istočni mediteran, i zapadna Azija su glavne razlike rekao bih..ovde je karta rađena po rezultatima K13, mislim da je to najbolji kalkulator za upoređivanje u smislu boljeg poznavanja i upoznavanja materije, takođe ima najstabilnije komponente.

Ono što upada u oči i što bih mogao da izvučem kao zaključak relativno odsustvo istočnog mediterana može biti indikator da su njeni pretci boravili duži vremenski period na zapadnijim teritorijama nego što su to moji.
Poredak gde je zapadna Azija ispred Istočnog mediterana je poprilično učestala pojava kod "zapadnjaka" .
Sve u svemu interesantno. ..Pogotovo ako se uzme u obzir da imamo relativno slično poreklo koje se veže za Hercegovinu/Dalmaciju, kasnije delimično za Baniju/Banovinu, kao i moj haplotip i indicije da bi i njen otac mogao imati vrednosto 19=14 . Mislim da sve poprilično logično, čak i seoba muških predaka ( msm da je pomenuta bila prevlaka,zahumlje,hervegovina itd...) stvarnio neverovatno koliko sličnosti. :)

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Originally Posted by HungryLion

K13
https://i.postimg.cc/3RK59vyR/marc19b.png

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You see, you are more northern shifted than Tschkaikisten on K13.
Tschaikisten got 43.5% North_European and you 42.89% on dodecad K12. This is textbook example how bullshit is K12b.
Of course you are more northern than Tschaikisten, you have higher Baltic and North_Atlantic than him.
On K12b part of northern dna is hidden under the Atlantic_Med as I already said.