Eastern and Central Euro K15 PCA

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Originally Posted by Leto

Years ago there was a TA member called Hrulj. He was a Muslim Bosniak but said he didn't understand Serbian and Croatian as they were foreign languages to him. He also considered himself Illyrian and said Slavs and Russians were subhumans (he looked Slavic and could pass as Russian as well).

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Are you for real bro ? They speak same language like us. With lot more Turkish loanwords, but BiH Christians use them as well.

Bosniaks are weird, look how Bosniensis behaved. And funny because in inter war anthropological studies on BiH muslims were blondest and most light-eyed group, catholics whitest skinned though.
But differences weren't great. For some reason though it's easier to find stereotypical Slavic looking Bosniak than BiH Serb or Croat.

They look shorter and more Baltoid often compared with their Christian neighbours. That's from my experience at least. Maybe there was some sexual selection going on among muslims, I know lot of them are obsessed with blonde females even today. (Turkish cultural influence ? Turks love blondes)

Bosniaks from Serbia and Montenegro are very dark and can look mena, they look mostly Albanian in genetics.

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Originally Posted by Nato

:rotfl::rotfl:

Are you for real bro ? They speak same language like us. With lot more Turkish loanwords, but BiH Christians use them as well.

Bosniaks are weird, look how Bosniensis behaved. And funny because in inter war anthropological studies on BiH muslims were blondest and most light-eyed group, catholics whitest skinned though.
But differences weren't great. For some reason though it's easier to find stereotypical Slavic looking Bosniak than BiH Serb or Croat.

They look shorter and more Baltoid often compared with their Christian neighbours. That's from my experience at least. Maybe there was some sexual selection going on among muslims, I know lot of them are obsessed with blonde females even today. (Turkish cultural influence ? Turks love blondes)

Bosniaks from Serbia and Montenegro are very dark and can look mena, they look mostly Albanian in genetics.

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I see. Many people still believe Bosniaks and Albanians are all part Turkish because of Islam but that's not true. Especially in Albanians the mongoloid is almost non-existent.

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Originally Posted by Leto

I see. Many people still believe Bosniaks and Albanians are all part Turkish because of Islam but that's not true. Especially in Albanians the mongoloid is almost non-existent.

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Albanians very pure Balkan natives, no Turkish admixture.

Nato where is 4 Russians?

Pribislav wrote me yesterday there was tested Croat who came out R1a-Z93, and his ancestors were Islamized before converting back to Catholicism.
Another R1a Z93 person among tousands of tested Serbo-Croatian speakers is Bosniak.

Maybe they have Turkish admixture, or proto-Croat from Persia :cool:

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Originally Posted by Cumansky

Nato where is 4 Russians?

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https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post5808787

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Originally Posted by Nato

Pribislav wrote me yesterday there was tested Croat who came out R1a-Z93, and his ancestors were Islamized before converting back to Catholicism.
ANother R1a Z93 person among tousands of tested Serbo-Croatian speakers is Bosniak.

Maybe they have Turkish admixture, or proto-Croat from Persia :cool:

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I consider R1a Z93 a white haplo as it was originally Indo-Iranian. Bronze Age Z93 carriers were nothing like Indians or Central Asians racially.

Family of Russian and Jewish descent:
http://forum.molgen.org/index.php?topic=3234.5;imode


https://i.imgur.com/67uk5KR.png

1. Father kit# F205199 (Ashkenazi Jew, Ukraine/Poland)

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Population
North_Sea 16.12
Atlantic 9.73
Baltic 4.17
Eastern_Euro 3.12
West_Med 15.13
West_Asian 12.77
East_Med 28.48
Red_Sea 7.16
South_Asian 0.54
Southeast_Asian 0.77
Siberian 0.79
Amerindian 0.40
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.83
Sub-Saharan -

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Ashkenazi 6.46
2 East_Sicilian 7.3
3 Central_Greek 7.73
4 Italian_Abruzzo 8.6
5 South_Italian 8.99
6 Italian_Jewish 9.49
7 Greek_Thessaly 9.69
8 West_Sicilian 10
9 Sephardic_Jewish 11.51
10 Algerian_Jewish 12.15
11 Tuscan 12.55
12 Greek 12.57
13 Libyan_Jewish 13.49
14 Tunisian_Jewish 14.74
15 Cyprian 16.87
16 Bulgarian 17.59
17 North_Italian 18.34
18 Romanian 18.61
19 Lebanese_Muslim 18.81
20 Syrian 19.03

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 57.2% Samaritan + 42.8% West_German @ 3.58
2 55.7% Lebanese_Christian + 44.3% West_German @ 3.96
3 54% Lebanese_Christian + 46% French @ 4.28
4 63.5% Cyprian + 36.5% West_German @ 4.3
5 70.2% Cyprian + 29.8% West_Norwegian @ 4.38
6 61.8% Samaritan + 38.2% Southwest_English @ 4.61
7 69.5% Cyprian + 30.5% Norwegian @ 4.71
8 55.6% Samaritan + 44.4% French @ 4.71
9 64.4% Samaritan + 35.6% West_Norwegian @ 4.79
10 60.3% Lebanese_Christian + 39.7% Southwest_English @ 4.79
11 63.8% Samaritan + 36.2% Orcadian @ 4.91
12 63.6% Samaritan + 36.4% Norwegian @ 4.94
13 69.6% Cyprian + 30.4% Swedish @ 5.04
14 58.5% Samaritan + 41.5% South_Dutch @ 5.05
15 69.8% Cyprian + 30.2% Orcadian @ 5.1
16 57% Lebanese_Christian + 43% South_Dutch @ 5.13
17 62.9% Samaritan + 37.1% North_Dutch @ 5.16
18 62.3% Samaritan + 37.7% Southeast_English @ 5.21
19 51% Lebanese_Druze + 49% Spanish_Galicia @ 5.24
20 69.5% Libyan_Jewish + 30.5% West_German @ 5.24

2. Mother kit# F216277 (Russian, from Voronezh (maternal line) and Yaroslavl (paternal line))

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Population
North_Sea 21.42
Atlantic 12.77
Baltic 29.74
Eastern_Euro 22.19
West_Med 4.37
West_Asian 4.35
East_Med -
Red_Sea 0.77
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian 2.63
Amerindian 0.88
Oceanian 0.48
Northeast_African 0.40
Sub-Saharan -

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Southwest_Russian 4.61
2 Ukrainian_Belgorod 5.37
3 Ukrainian 6.1
4 Estonian_Polish 6.15
5 Belorussian 6.22
6 Russian_Smolensk 6.52
7 Polish 6.61
8 Estonian 6.7
9 Kargopol_Russian 7.04
10 Ukrainian_Lviv 7.05
11 South_Polish 7.06
12 Lithuanian 7.66
13 Erzya 8.39
14 East_Finnish 10.18
15 Finnish 11.72
16 Croatian 12.82
17 Southwest_Finnish 13.84
18 Moldavian 13.87
19 Hungarian 14.9
20 La_Brana-1 16.55

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 55.4% Ukrainian_Lviv + 44.6% Erzya @ 3.43
2 60.3% Ukrainian + 39.7% Erzya @ 3.47
3 58.7% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 41.3% Estonian @ 3.64
4 55.5% South_Polish + 44.5% Erzya @ 3.64
5 66.9% Southwest_Russian + 33.1% Estonian @ 3.69
6 57.9% Polish + 42.1% Erzya @ 3.73
7 78.5% Southwest_Russian + 21.5% East_Finnish @ 3.83
8 57.7% Estonian + 42.3% Erzya @ 3.87
9 81.5% Southwest_Russian + 18.5% Finnish @ 3.87
10 71.7% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 28.3% East_Finnish @ 3.89
11 50% Ukrainian_Lviv + 50% Kargopol_Russian @ 3.93
12 55.7% Ukrainian + 44.3% Kargopol_Russian @ 4
13 74.4% Lithuanian + 25.6% Tatar @ 4.06
14 75.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 24.2% Finnish @ 4.07
15 68.2% Southwest_Russian + 31.8% Ukrainian @ 4.1
16 53.1% Kargopol_Russian + 46.9% Lithuanian @ 4.19
17 75.2% Southwest_Russian + 24.8% Kargopol_Russian @ 4.22
18 75.5% Southwest_Russian + 24.5% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.24
19 80.4% Southwest_Russian + 19.6% Erzya @ 4.26
20 98% Southwest_Russian + 2% Dolgan @ 4.27

3. Their son kit# F196332 (50% Jewish, 50% Russian)

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Population
North_Sea 18.44
Atlantic 14.11
Baltic 17.56
Eastern_Euro 13.05
West_Med 7.88
West_Asian 9.53
East_Med 12.20
Red_Sea 3.13
South_Asian 0.15
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian 2.64
Amerindian 0.76
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.54
Sub-Saharan -

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 5.77
2 Romanian 6.74
3 Moldavian 6.85
4 Hungarian 8.69
5 Croatian 8.9
6 Bulgarian 9.4
7 Austrian 10.11
8 Ukrainian_Lviv 13.28
9 East_German 13.61
10 South_Polish 13.95
11 Ukrainian 14.33
12 Greek_Thessaly 15.89
13 Polish 16.52
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 16.53
15 Russian_Smolensk 16.85
16 Southwest_Russian 16.98
17 Greek 17.3
18 Southwest_Finnish 18.06
19 Finnish 18.06
20 West_German 18.32

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 51.6% Estonian + 48.4% Central_Greek @ 3.2
2 75.7% Romanian + 24.3% East_Finnish @ 3.24
3 50.2% Estonian + 49.8% Ashkenazi @ 3.3
4 52.4% Estonian + 47.6% East_Sicilian @ 3.4
5 50.4% Estonian + 49.6% Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.6
6 66% Finnish + 34% Cyprian @ 3.62
7 53.8% East_Finnish + 46.2% Central_Greek @ 3.63
8 75.8% Romanian + 24.2% Finnish @ 3.67
9 67.9% Bulgarian + 32.1% East_Finnish @ 3.71
10 55.5% Estonian + 44.5% South_Italian @ 3.71
11 67.2% Bulgarian + 32.8% Finnish @ 3.75
12 76.8% Romanian + 23.2% Kargopol_Russian @ 3.81
13 79.5% Hungarian + 20.5% Turkish @ 3.85
14 54.7% East_Finnish + 45.3% East_Sicilian @ 3.91
15 78.7% Romanian + 21.3% Erzya @ 3.91
16 54.7% Finnish + 45.3% Central_Greek @ 3.92
17 60.1% South_Polish + 39.9% Ashkenazi @ 3.94
18 83.8% Hungarian + 16.2% Iranian_Jewish @ 3.94
19 80.9% Hungarian + 19.1% Azeri @ 3.94
20 54.2% Greek_Thessaly + 45.8% East_Finnish @ 3.94

4. Their son's wife kit# M101426 (Russian, from Voronezh (paternal line))

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Population
North_Sea 14.87
Atlantic 15.93
Baltic 32.55
Eastern_Euro 22.67
West_Med 4.59
West_Asian 3.64
East_Med 2.13
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 0.59
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian 2.81
Amerindian 0.22
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Southwest_Russian 4.82
2 Estonian_Polish 4.85
3 Russian_Smolensk 5.28
4 Ukrainian_Belgorod 5.33
5 Belorussian 5.39
6 Lithuanian 7.05
7 Polish 8.49
8 Kargopol_Russian 8.71
9 Erzya 9.28
10 South_Polish 9.34
11 Ukrainian 9.53
12 Ukrainian_Lviv 10.28
13 Estonian 10.94
14 Croatian 13.43
15 East_Finnish 14.21
16 Moldavian 15.29
17 Finnish 16.47
18 Hungarian 17.41
19 Southwest_Finnish 17.68
20 Austrian 18.16

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 96.1% Estonian_Polish + 3.9% Selkup @ 4
2 96.9% Estonian_Polish + 3.1% Dolgan @ 4.02
3 97.1% Estonian_Polish + 2.9% Evenki @ 4.02
4 96.1% Estonian_Polish + 3.9% Ket @ 4.03
5 97.2% Estonian_Polish + 2.8% Evens @ 4.03
6 97% Estonian_Polish + 3% Yakut @ 4.06
7 71.3% Russian_Smolensk + 28.7% Erzya @ 4.08
8 96.4% Estonian_Polish + 3.6% Saqqaq @ 4.08
9 96.9% Estonian_Polish + 3.1% Koryak @ 4.12
10 94.3% Estonian_Polish + 5.7% Afghan_Turkmen @ 4.14
11 97.2% Estonian_Polish + 2.8% Oroqen @ 4.15
12 95.8% Estonian_Polish + 4.2% Hakas @ 4.15
13 96.6% Estonian_Polish + 3.4% Tuvinian @ 4.16
14 96.8% Estonian_Polish + 3.2% Buryat @ 4.16
15 96.2% Estonian_Polish + 3.8% Altaian @ 4.17
16 77.1% Estonian_Polish + 22.9% Erzya @ 4.18
17 95.7% Estonian_Polish + 4.3% Shors @ 4.2
18 95.2% Belorussian + 4.8% Selkup @ 4.2
19 97% Estonian_Polish + 3% Chukchi @ 4.2
20 71.1% Belorussian + 28.9% Erzya @ 4.22

5. Their son's son kit# M205613 (25% Jewish, 75% Russian)

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Population
North_Sea 15.81
Atlantic 16.53
Baltic 26.22
Eastern_Euro 15.97
West_Med 6.26
West_Asian 7.50
East_Med 7.69
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 0.73
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian 2.07
Amerindian 1.23
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Croatian 6.1
2 Moldavian 7.56
3 South_Polish 7.6
4 Ukrainian_Lviv 7.9
5 Russian_Smolensk 8.27
6 Ukrainian_Belgorod 8.46
7 Ukrainian 8.56
8 Southwest_Russian 8.9
9 Polish 9.63
10 Hungarian 10.15
11 Belorussian 10.59
12 Austrian 10.83
13 Estonian_Polish 10.88
14 Serbian 12.68
15 Kargopol_Russian 12.96
16 Romanian 13.69
17 Lithuanian 13.8
18 Estonian 14.14
19 East_German 14.25
20 Erzya 14.75

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 64.3% Southwest_Russian + 35.7% Bulgarian @ 3.15
2 66.3% Russian_Smolensk + 33.7% Bulgarian @ 3.22
3 81.1% Russian_Smolensk + 18.9% South_Italian @ 3.23
4 79.4% Russian_Smolensk + 20.6% Central_Greek @ 3.29
5 84.7% Russian_Smolensk + 15.3% Cyprian @ 3.31
6 75.7% Russian_Smolensk + 24.3% Greek @ 3.34
7 52.8% Lithuanian + 47.2% Bulgarian @ 3.36
8 59.8% Belorussian + 40.2% Bulgarian @ 3.36
9 74.1% Southwest_Russian + 25.9% Greek @ 3.42
10 83.2% Russian_Smolensk + 16.8% Turkish @ 3.43
11 79.9% Southwest_Russian + 20.1% South_Italian @ 3.43
12 75.7% Russian_Smolensk + 24.3% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.48
13 80.1% Russian_Smolensk + 19.9% East_Sicilian @ 3.52
14 66% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 34% Bulgarian @ 3.52
15 61.8% Southwest_Russian + 38.2% Romanian @ 3.55
16 85.9% Russian_Smolensk + 14.1% Assyrian @ 3.55
17 63.9% Russian_Smolensk + 36.1% Romanian @ 3.56
18 85.2% Russian_Smolensk + 14.8% Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.61
19 50.2% Romanian + 49.8% Lithuanian @ 3.61
20 77.8% Southwest_Russian + 22.2% Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.64

6. Their son's daughter kit# M101814 (25% Jewish, 75% Russian)

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Population
North_Sea 17.44
Atlantic 16.90
Baltic 23.26
Eastern_Euro 17.11
West_Med 6.85
West_Asian 5.96
East_Med 9.66
Red_Sea 0.11
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian 2.59
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.12
Sub-Saharan -

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Croatian 5.58
2 Moldavian 6.8
3 South_Polish 8.17
4 Hungarian 8.5
5 Ukrainian_Lviv 8.67
6 Ukrainian 8.98
7 Austrian 9.04
8 Russian_Smolensk 9.93
9 Polish 10.15
10 Ukrainian_Belgorod 10.17
11 Southwest_Russian 10.3
12 Serbian 10.33
13 Belorussian 12
14 Estonian_Polish 12.2
15 Romanian 12.3
16 East_German 12.72
17 Kargopol_Russian 13
18 Bulgarian 14.23
19 East_Finnish 14.31
20 Estonian 14.57


Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 74.2% Southwest_Russian + 25.8% West_Sicilian @ 3.16
2 61% Estonian + 39% Greek @ 3.32
3 72% Southwest_Russian + 28% Tuscan @ 3.36
4 73.4% Southwest_Russian + 26.6% Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.36
5 76.4% Southwest_Russian + 23.6% South_Italian @ 3.6
6 81.1% Polish + 18.9% Cyprian @ 3.65
7 55% Southwest_Russian + 45% Romanian @ 3.65
8 69.7% Southwest_Russian + 30.3% Greek @ 3.68
9 70.1% Belorussian + 29.9% Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.68
10 50.6% Bulgarian + 49.4% Estonian @ 3.69
11 50.1% Southwest_Russian + 49.9% Serbian @ 3.71
12 58.8% Southwest_Russian + 41.2% Bulgarian @ 3.74
13 83.1% Polish + 16.9% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.74
14 78.3% Southwest_Russian + 21.7% Italian_Jewish @ 3.74
15 74.4% Southwest_Russian + 25.6% Central_Greek @ 3.8
16 79.1% Russian_Smolensk + 20.9% Italian_Jewish @ 3.82
17 50.7% Belorussian + 49.3% Romanian @ 3.83
18 70.9% Belorussian + 29.1% Central_Greek @ 3.84
19 69.8% Estonian_Polish + 30.2% Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.85
20 75% Southwest_Russian + 25% East_Sicilian @ 3.85

7. Their son's nephew kit# F205198

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Population
North_Sea 16.54
Atlantic 7.23
Baltic 21.66
Eastern_Euro 14.77
West_Med 8.31
West_Asian 15.63
East_Med 7.43
Red_Sea 2.19
South_Asian 2.76
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian 1.93
Amerindian 0.93
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.61
Sub-Saharan -

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 8.89
2 Croatian 12.32
3 Romanian 12.77
4 Serbian 13.64
5 Ukrainian_Lviv 13.68
6 Hungarian 14.07
7 Bulgarian 14.37
8 Ukrainian 14.83
9 South_Polish 15.22
10 Ukrainian_Belgorod 15.49
11 Southwest_Russian 16.55
12 Austrian 16.81
13 Russian_Smolensk 17.29
14 Polish 18.04
15 Tatar 18.42
16 East_German 18.63
17 Kargopol_Russian 18.71
18 Erzya 18.91
19 Belorussian 19.39
20 Estonian_Polish 19.52

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 69.1% Ukrainian_Lviv + 30.9% Kumyk @ 4.41
2 67.2% Ukrainian + 32.8% Kumyk @ 4.53
3 74.2% Ukrainian + 25.8% Georgian @ 4.86
4 77.3% Ukrainian_Lviv + 22.7% Abhkasian @ 4.88
5 75.6% Ukrainian + 24.4% Abhkasian @ 4.88
6 75.9% Ukrainian_Lviv + 24.1% Georgian @ 4.9
7 71.7% Ukrainian_Lviv + 28.3% Balkar @ 4.97
8 72.5% Ukrainian_Lviv + 27.5% Adygei @ 5.03
9 71% Ukrainian_Lviv + 29% Kabardin @ 5.05
10 70.7% Ukrainian + 29.3% Adygei @ 5.18
11 69.9% Ukrainian + 30.1% Balkar @ 5.18
12 73.9% Ukrainian_Lviv + 26.1% Ossetian @ 5.19
13 70.2% Ukrainian_Lviv + 29.8% Lezgin @ 5.26
14 69.2% Ukrainian + 30.8% Kabardin @ 5.27
15 72.2% Ukrainian + 27.8% Ossetian @ 5.34
16 80.9% Moldavian + 19.1% Lezgin @ 5.43
17 81.6% Moldavian + 18.4% Kabardin @ 5.46
18 81.8% Moldavian + 18.2% Chechen @ 5.5
19 73.7% Ukrainian_Lviv + 26.3% North_Ossetian @ 5.5
20 83.4% Moldavian + 16.6% North_Ossetian @ 5.5

K13:
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 67.9% Kargopol_Russian + 32.1% Armenian @ 3.19
2 67.5% Kargopol_Russian + 32.5% Georgian_Jewish @ 3.58
3 66.6% Southwest_Russian + 33.4% Turkish @ 3.59
4 67.9% Kargopol_Russian + 32.1% Assyrian @ 3.62
5 71.4% Southwest_Russian + 28.6% Armenian @ 3.72
6 57.5% Lithuanian + 42.5% Turkish @ 3.82
7 67.4% Estonian_Polish + 32.6% Armenian @ 3.84
8 67% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 33% Turkish @ 3.91
9 62.3% Estonian_Polish + 37.7% Turkish @ 3.95
10 72.3% Ukrainian + 27.7% Georgian_Jewish @ 4.1
11 71.5% Ukrainian + 28.5% Iranian @ 4.16
12 71.1% Southwest_Russian + 28.9% Georgian_Jewish @ 4.18
13 63.2% Russian_Smolensk + 36.8% Turkish @ 4.2
14 71.6% Ukrainian + 28.4% Kurdish @ 4.21
15 63% Kargopol_Russian + 37% Turkish @ 4.32
16 69.3% Ukrainian + 30.7% Azeri @ 4.32
17 62.9% Lithuanian + 37.1% Armenian @ 4.37
18 68.3% Russian_Smolensk + 31.7% Armenian @ 4.38
19 68% Southwest_Russian + 32% Azeri @ 4.39
20 67.1% Estonian_Polish + 32.9% Georgian_Jewish @ 4.4

The nephew seems to have some wog ancestry from the south.
Anyway, I could swamp this thread with DNA results of Russians but too many dots on the map would simply make it indiscernible. I will post a couple more though.

To add some multiculti and diversity to the PCA I'll post a half Kalmyk woman with her 1/4 Kalmyk son, a 1/4 Buryat woman and also a mixed Russian-Armenian family. Also, I had a part Chinese woman and daughter from the Far East of Russia. Hopefully none of those kits have been deleted.

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Originally Posted by Nato

https://i.imgur.com/KbuiaJp.png

20 - Momčilović (Serb)

It's typical Serbian surname, and he plots like Serb.

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He is very close to me, just a bit to the northeast. I'm curious which part of ex-Yu he is from.

Oh, and that Montenegrin sample is a nice find too. It is looking more and more that they are fully within the Serbian cluster and that any people such as that woman I posted are outliers.

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Originally Posted by CommonSense

He is very close to me, just a bit to the northeast. I'm curious which part of ex-Yu he is from.

Oh, and that Montenegrin sample is a nice find too. It is looking more and more that they are fully within the Serbian cluster and that any people such as that woman I posted are outliers.

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Jana's Serb ancestor was Momčilović mate, from Lika. She mentioned it many times.

http://oi65.tinypic.com/5kq2j5.jpg

Wanted to make thread about this particular Montenegrin result. Plots bit south west from Serbia proper, makes sense geographically. Ask Cumansky about his kit number.
This result is in line with that west balkan paper which showed Montenegrins clustering similary northern as Belgrade Serbs, just more western, and more north from Romanians and Bulgarians.

I would say this guy is way more typical than female you posted.

Croatian kits (for those who haven't seen our thread) plotted on PCA, better not to add them on already congested map.

http://oi67.tinypic.com/6yfext.jpg

Red = North West Croats
Green = South Croats
Purple-Blue = Croats from Bosnia and Herzegovina
Dark Red = Central Croatian Mountains
Pink = West Croat (North Adriatic coast)
Dark Purple = West Croat (Istrian peninsula)
Brownish Yellow = East Croat

yellow are samples from unknown regions

A (former?) TA member Alexander Lekomtsev. Eastern Russian from Udmurtia, he shares some segments with my mom

Population
North_Sea 17.74 Pct
Atlantic 14.06 Pct
Baltic 29.34 Pct
Eastern_Euro 25.00 Pct
West_Med 1.69 Pct
West_Asian 4.38 Pct
East_Med -
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 0.08 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.96 Pct
Siberian 5.58 Pct
Amerindian 0.54 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.63 Pct

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kargopol_Russian 4.77
2 Erzya 5.49
3 Southwest_Russian 6.42
4 Ukrainian_Belgorod 7.27
5 Estonian_Polish 7.87
6 Belorussian 8.36
7 Russian_Smolensk 8.44
8 Estonian 9.84
9 Lithuanian 9.85
10 Polish 9.98
11 East_Finnish 10.02
12 Ukrainian 10.69
13 South_Polish 10.9
14 Ukrainian_Lviv 11.64
15 Finnish 13.64
16 Croatian 15.53
17 Southwest_Finnish 15.87
18 Tatar 16.55
19 Moldavian 16.62
20 La_Brana-1 17.63

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 70.7% Lithuanian + 29.3% Chuvash @ 2.73
2 76% Lithuanian + 24% Mari @ 3.22
3 74.8% Belorussian + 25.2% Chuvash @ 3.28
4 79.3% Belorussian + 20.7% Mari @ 3.33
5 63.7% Lithuanian + 36.3% Tatar @ 3.47
6 64.7% Erzya + 35.3% Belorussian @ 3.65
7 84.8% Southwest_Russian + 15.2% Mari @ 3.66
8 65% Erzya + 35% Russian_Smolensk @ 3.67
9 92.4% Southwest_Russian + 7.6% Selkup @ 3.68
10 75.5% Kargopol_Russian + 24.5% Lithuanian @ 3.74
11 92.4% Southwest_Russian + 7.6% Ket @ 3.83
12 63.8% Erzya + 36.2% Estonian_Polish @ 3.87
13 81.6% Southwest_Russian + 18.4% Chuvash @ 3.88
14 56.8% Erzya + 43.2% Southwest_Russian @ 3.88
15 70% Erzya + 30% Estonian @ 3.9
16 70.1% Erzya + 29.9% Lithuanian @ 3.91
17 76.8% Estonian_Polish + 23.2% Chuvash @ 3.91
18 70.7% Erzya + 29.3% Polish @ 3.96
19 82% Erzya + 18% La_Brana-1 @ 3.99
20 81.2% Estonian_Polish + 18.8% Mari @ 4

SSlava, Caucasus Russian (Stavropol krai), he's very Balto-Slavic

Population
North_Sea 20.10 Pct
Atlantic 14.46 Pct
Baltic 31.26 Pct
Eastern_Euro 20.42 Pct
West_Med 6.36 Pct
West_Asian 4.71 Pct
East_Med -
Red_Sea 1.30 Pct
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian 0.69 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.65 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Ukrainian_Belgorod 4.69
2 Southwest_Russian 4.7
3 Russian_Smolensk 4.77
4 Belorussian 4.8
5 Estonian_Polish 4.84
6 Ukrainian 5.3
7 Polish 5.38
8 South_Polish 5.64
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 5.93
10 Lithuanian 6.56
11 Estonian 8.32
12 Kargopol_Russian 10.21
13 Croatian 11.34
14 Erzya 11.48
15 Moldavian 13.04
16 East_Finnish 13.45
17 Finnish 13.92
18 Hungarian 14.25
19 Southwest_Finnish 15.08
20 East_German 16.14

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 57.2% Ukrainian + 42.8% Lithuanian @ 3.03
2 53.4% Ukrainian_Lviv + 46.6% Lithuanian @ 3.12
3 57.8% Estonian_Polish + 42.2% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.17
4 68.8% Lithuanian + 31.2% Moldavian @ 3.21
5 54.1% Estonian_Polish + 45.9% Ukrainian @ 3.33
6 55.5% South_Polish + 44.5% Lithuanian @ 3.37
7 54.5% Belorussian + 45.5% Ukrainian @ 3.38
8 58.8% Belorussian + 41.2% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.39
9 66.2% Lithuanian + 33.8% Croatian @ 3.62
10 56.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 43.5% Ukrainian @ 3.64
11 56.9% Southwest_Russian + 43.1% Ukrainian @ 3.73
12 61.7% Southwest_Russian + 38.3% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.73
13 62% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 38% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.76
14 56.2% Russian_Smolensk + 43.8% Ukrainian @ 3.79
15 58.5% Estonian_Polish + 41.5% South_Polish @ 3.86
16 62.2% Russian_Smolensk + 37.8% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.93
17 59% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 41% Polish @ 3.94
18 67.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 32.5% Lithuanian @ 3.96
19 59.6% Belorussian + 40.4% South_Polish @ 3.96
20 82.3% Belorussian + 17.7% Moldavian @ 3.99

rein, half Jordanian, half Russian (mostly Volga and Siberia but also 1/8 Belarusian)

Population
North_Sea 11.52 Pct
Atlantic 10.86 Pct
Baltic 13.18 Pct
Eastern_Euro 12.75 Pct
West_Med 6.89 Pct
West_Asian 10.51 Pct
East_Med 20.99 Pct
Red_Sea 6.42 Pct
South_Asian 1.81 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian 1.86 Pct
Amerindian 0.43 Pct
Oceanian 0.50 Pct
Northeast_African 1.51 Pct
Sub-Saharan 0.77 Pct

https://i.imgur.com/GTlZbx2.png

39 - Alexander Lekomtsev (Russian)
SSlava (Russian), unnumbered in Yellow

Russian/Buryat mix (woman) from Ulan-Ude, Buryatia. She's about 1/4 Buryat and also looks accordingly

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Eastern_Euro 21.77
2 Baltic 21.43
3 North_Sea 17.28
4 Siberian 13.47
5 Atlantic 9.17
6 Southeast_Asian 6.49
7 West_Med 5.1
8 Amerindian 2.06
9 East_Med 1.64
10 Sub-Saharan 0.59
11 Red_Sea 0.51
12 West_Asian 0.21
13 Oceanian 0.2
14 South_Asian 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Tatar 10.81
2 East_Finnish 13.3
3 Kargopol_Russian 13.66
4 Erzya 14.33
5 Chuvash 16.76
6 Finnish 16.86
7 Ukrainian 18
8 Southwest_Russian 18.28
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 18.54
10 Ukrainian_Belgorod 18.97
11 Estonian 19.05
12 South_Polish 19.13
13 Estonian_Polish 19.51
14 Polish 19.52
15 Russian_Smolensk 19.52
16 Moldavian 19.72
17 Southwest_Finnish 19.76
18 Belorussian 20.07
19 Croatian 20.29
20 La_Brana-1 20.54

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 80.1% Kargopol_Russian + 19.9% Mongolian @ 4.53
2 82.4% Kargopol_Russian + 17.6% Buryat @ 4.77
3 68.3% Ukrainian + 31.7% Shors @ 4.96
4 84.8% Kargopol_Russian + 15.2% Oroqen @ 4.97
5 81.1% Kargopol_Russian + 18.9% Tuvinian @ 5.07
6 70.2% Ukrainian + 29.8% Hakas @ 5.14
7 78.7% Kargopol_Russian + 21.3% Altaian @ 5.23
8 66.5% Polish + 33.5% Shors @ 5.49
9 68.5% Estonian_Polish + 31.5% Hakas @ 5.51
10 68.4% Polish + 31.6% Hakas @ 5.53
11 65.9% Belorussian + 34.1% Shors @ 5.54
12 66.6% Estonian_Polish + 33.4% Shors @ 5.6
13 69% Estonian + 31% Hakas @ 5.61
14 79.7% Erzya + 20.3% Mongolian @ 5.64
15 67.8% Belorussian + 32.2% Hakas @ 5.65
16 76.2% Ukrainian + 23.8% Tuvinian @ 5.67
17 63.9% Lithuanian + 36.1% Shors @ 5.72
18 67.2% Estonian + 32.8% Shors @ 5.76
19 75.9% Southwest_Russian + 24.1% Tuvinian @ 5.86
20 67.9% Ukrainian_Lviv + 32.1% Shors @ 5.88

https://i.imgur.com/IFMpqaE.png

40 - Rein (Russian, Jordanian)

https://i.imgur.com/WIKVhGi.png

41 - Russian, Buryat

Vyacheslav (the strange guy who reads TA through Google Translate, no offense, bro ;)) He is Northern Russian (Veliky Ustyug, Eastern Volograd oblast).

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 25.6
2 Eastern_Euro 22.37
3 North_Sea 21.07
4 Atlantic 18.84
5 West_Med 4.48
6 Siberian 3.07
7 West_Asian 2.15
8 South_Asian 1.64
9 Oceanian 0.33
10 Northeast_African 0.28
11 Sub-Saharan 0.18

2 55% Russian_Smolensk + 45% East_Finnish @ 2.52
5 55% Estonian_Polish + 45% East_Finnish @ 2.84

I will post a couple of mutts and maybe let's call it quits? Soon it's gonna become unreadable if we add more full Russians and Slavs. They would be clustering too tightly.

https://i.imgur.com/dAqhUyb.png

Vyanceslav (Russian) in Gray, unnumbered.

He plot almost on top of Dark Green no.35, they overlap.

Vyanceslav overlap Silentkiller, both TA members ? Could be brothers xD First is hair bit more SE than second.

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Leto

I will post a couple of mutts and maybe let's call it quits? Soon it's gonna become unreadable if we add more full Russians and Slavs. They would be clustering too tightly.

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Having one PCA for all of Eastern and Central Europe didn't seem like a great idea. That's a pretty massive region and the PCA template being used is kinda tiny.

Kalmyk/Russian family

1. Father - full Kalmyk

Population
North_Sea -
Atlantic 4.14 Pct
Baltic -
Eastern_Euro 7.57 Pct
West_Med -
West_Asian 7.78 Pct
East_Med 0.26 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 2.74 Pct
Southeast_Asian 30.35 Pct
Siberian 45.14 Pct
Amerindian 1.42 Pct
Oceanian 0.40 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.20 Pct

2. Mother - full Russian (born in Perm, no more info but very pure Russian)

Population
North_Sea 20.29 Pct
Atlantic 15.05 Pct
Baltic 30.90 Pct
Eastern_Euro 20.82 Pct
West_Med 5.84 Pct
West_Asian 3.39 Pct
East_Med 1.43 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 0.64 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.61 Pct
Siberian 0.98 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.07 Pct
Sub-Saharan -

Spoiler!

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Southwest_Russian 3.74
2 Belorussian 3.74
3 Estonian_Polish 3.88
4 Russian_Smolensk 4
5 Ukrainian_Belgorod 4.38
6 Polish 4.47
7 Ukrainian 4.74
8 South_Polish 5.13
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 5.89
10 Lithuanian 6.06
11 Estonian 7.19
12 Kargopol_Russian 8.96
13 Erzya 10.63
14 Croatian 11.14
15 East_Finnish 12.16
16 Finnish 12.87
17 Moldavian 13.04
18 Hungarian 13.87
19 Southwest_Finnish 14.1
20 Austrian 15.84

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 56.9% Ukrainian + 43.1% Lithuanian @ 1.8
2 57.5% Belorussian + 42.5% Ukrainian @ 1.97
3 56.4% Estonian_Polish + 43.6% Ukrainian @ 2
4 63.1% Estonian_Polish + 36.9% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.21
5 55.1% South_Polish + 44.9% Lithuanian @ 2.34
6 65.1% Belorussian + 34.9% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.39
7 69.8% Lithuanian + 30.2% Moldavian @ 2.42
8 50.9% Ukrainian_Lviv + 49.1% Lithuanian @ 2.54
9 59.7% Southwest_Russian + 40.3% Ukrainian @ 2.62
10 66.6% Lithuanian + 33.4% Croatian @ 2.72
11 61.3% Estonian_Polish + 38.7% South_Polish @ 2.77
12 63.6% Belorussian + 36.4% South_Polish @ 2.83
13 57.5% Russian_Smolensk + 42.5% Ukrainian @ 2.85
14 84.2% Belorussian + 15.8% Moldavian @ 2.89
15 78.4% Lithuanian + 21.6% Serbian @ 2.91
16 68.6% Southwest_Russian + 31.4% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.92
17 59.8% Southwest_Russian + 40.2% Polish @ 3
18 53.6% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 46.4% Ukrainian @ 3.02
19 72.1% Lithuanian + 27.9% Hungarian @ 3.04
20 65.5% Southwest_Russian + 34.5% South_Polish @ 3.05

3. Daughter - half Kalmyk, half Russian

Population
North_Sea 12.75 Pct
Atlantic 10.96 Pct
Baltic 11.45 Pct
Eastern_Euro 13.04 Pct
West_Med 2.96 Pct
West_Asian 6.48 Pct
East_Med 1.67 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 1.22 Pct
Southeast_Asian 14.22 Pct
Siberian 24.84 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.41 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

4. Daughter's son - 1/4 Kalmyk, 1/4 Russian, 1/2 either Polish or Ukrainian or both

Population
North_Sea 20.29 Pct
Atlantic 12.29 Pct
Baltic 20.60 Pct
Eastern_Euro 14.99 Pct
West_Med 4.82 Pct
West_Asian 1.37 Pct
East_Med 3.94 Pct
Red_Sea 0.14 Pct
South_Asian 0.99 Pct
Southeast_Asian 6.40 Pct
Siberian 13.51 Pct
Amerindian 0.48 Pct
Oceanian 0.07 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.12 Pct

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Nato

Vyanceslav overlap Silentkiller, both TA members ? Could be brothers xD First is hair bit more SE than second.

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Yes. SK is also from Vologda, but from the city. His parents were not born there though.

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Leto

Yes. SK is also from Vologda, but from the city. His parents were not born there though.

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Do you have any sample from Volgograd (ex-Stalingrad) or vicinity ? Would be interesting to see Russians from Sochi area too.

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Nato

Do you have any sample from Volgograd (ex-Stalingrad) or vicinity ? Would be interesting to see Russians from Sochi area too.

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Yes, I think there were some. However in the city proper most people are post WWII migrants and their children as it was almost completely destroyed. The region itself was populated in the 18th century, so quite lately.

Father:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 26.16
2 Eastern_Euro 20.5
3 Atlantic 19.28
4 North_Sea 17.02
5 West_Med 6.48
6 West_Asian 4.75
7 Siberian 1.96
8 East_Med 1.56
9 South_Asian 0.82
10 Red_Sea 0.7
11 Northeast_African 0.51
12 Sub-Saharan 0.15
13 Southeast_Asian 0.12

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Russian_Smolensk 4.43
2 Polish 5.25
3 South_Polish 5.42
4 Southwest_Russian 5.96
5 Ukrainian_Belgorod 6.13
6 Estonian_Polish 6.17
7 Belorussian 6.94
8 Ukrainian 7
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 7.64
10 Croatian 8.23
11 Kargopol_Russian 8.98
12 Estonian 10.73
13 Moldavian 11.03
14 Lithuanian 11.03
15 Austrian 11.78
16 East_Finnish 11.84
17 Erzya 11.87
18 Hungarian 12.04
19 Southwest_Finnish 12.92
20 Finnish 12.98

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 87% Southwest_Russian + 13% French_Basque @ 2.19
2 86.9% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 13.1% French_Basque @ 2.53
3 84.3% Southwest_Russian + 15.7% Southwest_French @ 2.62
4 85.8% Southwest_Russian + 14.2% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.79
5 85.2% Southwest_Russian + 14.8% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.85
6 85.6% Southwest_Russian + 14.4% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.86
7 85.7% Southwest_Russian + 14.3% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.98
8 90.4% Russian_Smolensk + 9.6% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.98
9 90.2% Russian_Smolensk + 9.8% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.99
10 90.4% Russian_Smolensk + 9.6% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3
11 84.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 15.8% Southwest_French @ 3
12 85.4% Southwest_Russian + 14.6% Spanish_Valencia @ 3.01
13 89.8% Russian_Smolensk + 10.2% Southwest_French @ 3.02
14 90.9% Russian_Smolensk + 9.1% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.05
15 92.1% Russian_Smolensk + 7.9% French_Basque @ 3.08
16 90.4% Russian_Smolensk + 9.6% Spanish_Valencia @ 3.08
17 90.4% Russian_Smolensk + 9.6% Spanish_Extremadura @ 3.09
18 90.5% Russian_Smolensk + 9.5% Spanish_Murcia @ 3.12
19 90.2% Russian_Smolensk + 9.8% Portuguese @ 3.14
20 90% Russian_Smolensk + 10% Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.16

Son:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 28.67
2 Eastern_Euro 19.79
3 Atlantic 18.16
4 North_Sea 17.36
5 West_Asian 5.73
6 West_Med 4.91
7 Siberian 1.81
8 East_Med 1.47
9 South_Asian 1.12
10 Red_Sea 0.8
11 Northeast_African 0.1
12 Amerindian 0.09

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Russian_Smolensk 2.5
2 Ukrainian_Belgorod 4.21
3 Southwest_Russian 4.23
4 Estonian_Polish 4.92
5 Polish 5.03
6 Belorussian 5.13
7 South_Polish 5.17
8 Ukrainian 6.7
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 7.03
10 Lithuanian 8.85
11 Kargopol_Russian 9.13
12 Croatian 9.34
13 Estonian 9.66
14 Erzya 11.44
15 Moldavian 11.83
16 East_Finnish 12.46
17 Hungarian 12.99
18 Finnish 13.38
19 Austrian 13.38
20 Southwest_Finnish 13.81

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 94.8% Russian_Smolensk + 5.2% Nogay @ 1.43
2 95.3% Russian_Smolensk + 4.7% Afghan_Turkmen @ 1.47
3 90.7% Russian_Smolensk + 9.3% Tatar @ 1.51
4 95.7% Russian_Smolensk + 4.3% Uzbeki @ 1.63
5 96.2% Russian_Smolensk + 3.8% Hazara @ 1.66
6 95.9% Russian_Smolensk + 4.1% Afghan_Hazara @ 1.66
7 98% Russian_Smolensk + 2% Evens @ 1.67
8 97.9% Russian_Smolensk + 2.1% Yakut @ 1.67
9 97.9% Russian_Smolensk + 2.1% Dolgan @ 1.67
10 98% Russian_Smolensk + 2% Evenki @ 1.68
11 97.2% Russian_Smolensk + 2.8% Altaian @ 1.71
12 96.9% Russian_Smolensk + 3.1% Hakas @ 1.72
13 97.5% Russian_Smolensk + 2.5% Saqqaq @ 1.73
14 97.7% Russian_Smolensk + 2.3% Buryat @ 1.73
15 95.5% Russian_Smolensk + 4.5% Tadjik @ 1.73
16 96.8% Russian_Smolensk + 3.2% Shors @ 1.75
17 97.6% Russian_Smolensk + 2.4% Tuvinian @ 1.76
18 98% Russian_Smolensk + 2% Oroqen @ 1.76
19 97.4% Russian_Smolensk + 2.6% Ket @ 1.76
20 97.9% Russian_Smolensk + 2.1% Koryak @ 1.77

https://i.imgur.com/MqyJ2IC.png

42 - Kalmyk
Russian (Perm) unnumbered, in Light Pink
43 - Russian , Kalmyk
44 - Russian, Kalmyk, Polish, Ukrainian

From Amur oblast, Russian Far East.

Grandmother (seems full Russian)

Population
North_Sea 25.09 Pct
Atlantic 9.81 Pct
Baltic 28.16 Pct
Eastern_Euro 24.22 Pct
West_Med 3.88 Pct
West_Asian 5.44 Pct
East_Med -
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 1.29 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian 1.51 Pct
Amerindian 0.21 Pct
Oceanian 0.28 Pct
Northeast_African 0.11 Pct
Sub-Saharan -

Mother (1/4 Chinese and also some other things, maybe Siberian or Chuvash/Tatar)

Population
North_Sea 11.12 Pct
Atlantic 8.65 Pct
Baltic 19.64 Pct
Eastern_Euro 18.48 Pct
West_Med 4.56 Pct
West_Asian 5.29 Pct
East_Med -
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 0.71 Pct
Southeast_Asian 20.65 Pct
Siberian 10.51 Pct
Amerindian 0.38 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -

Daughter (her father seems to have been fully Russian - he's dead now)

Population
North_Sea 12.74 Pct
Atlantic 13.32 Pct
Baltic 25.94 Pct
Eastern_Euro 16.40 Pct
West_Med 3.90 Pct
West_Asian 5.41 Pct
East_Med 1.42 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 1.55 Pct
Southeast_Asian 12.02 Pct
Siberian 6.04 Pct
Amerindian 0.31 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.94 Pct

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Nato

42 - Kalmyk
Russian (Perm) unnumbered, in Light Pink
43 - Russian , Kalmyk
44 - Russian, Kalmyk, Polish, Ukrainian

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You see even 1/4 Mongol people (Kalmyks and Buryats are Mongolic speakers) plot very far even from Kargopol and Erzya. And many believe those would be average Russians :rolleyes:

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Leto

Isn't he partially from Tula oblast? It's a bit more Southeastern than Moscow.

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So I just asked him again. He said that grandpa from Tula is from a village 60km south of Moscow. I just wish I knew where his other grandma was from.

Quote:

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Originally Posted by CommonSense

He is very close to me, just a bit to the northeast. I'm curious which part of ex-Yu he is from.

Oh, and that Montenegrin sample is a nice find too. It is looking more and more that they are fully within the Serbian cluster and that any people such as that woman I posted are outliers.

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I don't know where is Momcilovic from. He has some exotic admixture from Steppe common in Magyars, Bulgars, Polish Szlachta, Cossacks, Romanians, Moldovans, etc. Close match, top 25 in GEDmatch.

K15

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 20.77
2 Baltic 19.05
3 West_Asian 15.69
4 Atlantic 12.98
5 Eastern_Euro 12.06
6 East_Med 10.13
7 West_Med 9.25
8 Oceanian 0.09

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 7.94
2 Romanian 8.53
3 Serbian 8.99
4 Hungarian 10.11
5 Croatian 10.45
6 Bulgarian 10.98
7 Austrian 12.3
8 Ukrainian_Lviv 14
9 East_German 14.26
10 South_Polish 14.74
11 Ukrainian 15.15
12 Greek_Thessaly 17.25
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod 17.26
14 Polish 17.74
15 Russian_Smolensk 18.09
16 Southwest_Russian 18.16
17 West_German 18.73
18 Greek 18.97
19 South_Dutch 19.54
20 Southwest_Finnish 20.02

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 82.1% Hungarian + 17.9% Abhkasian @ 3.38
2 80.9% Hungarian + 19.1% Georgian @ 3.42
3 78.5% Hungarian + 21.5% Adygei @ 3.68
4 79.4% Hungarian + 20.6% North_Ossetian @ 3.93
5 76.1% Hungarian + 23.9% Kumyk @ 3.95
6 76.9% Hungarian + 23.1% Lezgin @ 4.02
7 77.7% Hungarian + 22.3% Kabardin @ 4.07
8 78.3% Hungarian + 21.7% Balkar @ 4.09
9 79.8% Hungarian + 20.2% Ossetian @ 4.15
10 77.9% Hungarian + 22.1% Chechen @ 4.18
11 86.2% Moldavian + 13.8% Georgian @ 4.66
12 77.1% Hungarian + 22.9% Tabassaran @ 4.66
13 87.3% Moldavian + 12.7% Abhkasian @ 4.74
14 85.4% Moldavian + 14.6% Ossetian @ 4.96
15 85.3% Moldavian + 14.7% North_Ossetian @ 4.99
16 84.8% Moldavian + 15.2% Adygei @ 5.01
17 83.1% Moldavian + 16.9% Tabassaran @ 5.05
18 83.4% Moldavian + 16.6% Lezgin @ 5.06
19 82.8% Moldavian + 17.2% Kumyk @ 5.06
20 73% South_Polish + 27% Armenian @ 5.07

MDLP World 22

# Population Percent
1 North-East-European 40.65
2 Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 31.85
3 West-Asian 14.92
4 Near_East 5.61
5 North-European-Mesolithic 3.17
6 Indo-Tibetan 1.68
7 Samoedic 1.02
8 Melanesian 0.93
9 Indo-Iranian 0.13
10 Arctic-Amerind 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Macedonian (derived) 4.9
2 Montenegrin (derived) 5.27
3 Serbian (derived) 5.76
4 Bulgarian (derived) 5.79
5 Romania (derived) 6.98
6 Gagauz (derived) 7.62
7 German-South (derived) 8.93
8 Bosnian (derived) 9.65
9 Swiss (derived) 10.49
10 German_V (derived) 11.15
11 Hungarian (derived) 11.32
12 Croatian (derived) 11.34
13 Austrian (derived) 11.53
14 Italian_North (derived) 11.74
15 Provancestralal (derived) 12.88
16 CEU_V (derived) 13.07
17 CEU (derived) 13.08
18 French (derived) 13.41
19 British (derived) 13.62
20 Slovenian (derived) 13.89

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 71.7% German_V (derived) + 28.3% Greek_Azov (derived) @ 2.3
2 68.3% CEU_V (derived) + 31.7% Greek_Azov (derived) @ 2.41
3 81.6% German_V (derived) + 18.4% Armenian (derived) @ 2.41
4 79% CEU_V (derived) + 21% Armenian (derived) @ 2.47
5 78.3% German_V (derived) + 21.7% Turk (derived) @ 2.54
6 82.2% German_V (derived) + 17.8% Jew_Azerbaijan (derived) @ 2.65
7 79.8% CEU_V (derived) + 20.2% Georgian_Laz (derived) @ 2.71
8 82.4% German_V (derived) + 17.6% Jew_Tat (derived) @ 2.73
9 71.2% Austrian (derived) + 28.8% Greek_Azov (derived) @ 2.8
10 82.5% German_V (derived) + 17.5% Jew_Iraqi (derived) @ 2.81
11 81.2% Austrian (derived) + 18.8% Armenian (derived) @ 2.81
12 82.4% German_V (derived) + 17.6% Georgian_Laz (derived) @ 2.85
13 81.9% Austrian (derived) + 18.1% Georgian_Laz (derived) @ 2.87
14 75.4% CEU_V (derived) + 24.6% Turk (derived) @ 2.88
15 81.9% German_V (derived) + 18.1% Jew-Uzbekistan (derived) @ 2.94
16 79.8% CEU_V (derived) + 20.2% Jew_Tat (derived) @ 2.95
17 79.8% CEU_V (derived) + 20.2% Jew_Azerbaijan (derived) @ 2.96
18 55.7% German (derived) + 44.3% Greek_North (derived) @ 2.99
19 82% German_V (derived) + 18% Jew_Georgia (derived) @ 3.02
20 77.9% Austrian (derived) + 22.1% Turk (derived) @ 3.03

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Originally Posted by CommonSense

He is very close to me, just a bit to the northeast. I'm curious which part of ex-Yu he is from.

Oh, and that Montenegrin sample is a nice find too. It is looking more and more that they are fully within the Serbian cluster and that any people such as that woman I posted are outliers.

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Montenegrin is from Podgorica, close match top 50 in GEDmatch. Surname Popovic.

K15

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 18.28
2 Baltic 17.49
3 West_Med 15.86
4 Atlantic 13.57
5 East_Med 12.69
6 Eastern_Euro 12.43
7 West_Asian 5.61
8 Red_Sea 3.12
9 Northeast_African 0.96

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Serbian 5.96
2 Romanian 7.15
3 Moldavian 8.23
4 Bulgarian 8.72
5 Croatian 9.96
6 Hungarian 10.02
7 Austrian 11.75
8 Greek_Thessaly 13.48
9 East_German 14.11
10 Ukrainian_Lviv 15.03
11 Greek 15.41
12 Ukrainian 15.75
13 North_Italian 15.76
14 South_Polish 15.95
15 Tuscan 16.68
16 Spanish_Galicia 17.48
17 French 17.49
18 West_German 18.26
19 Portuguese 18.29
20 Polish 18.44

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 54.2% Greek_Thessaly + 45.8% Ukrainian @ 4.18
2 51.5% Ukrainian + 48.5% Tuscan @ 4.28
3 58.4% Greek_Thessaly + 41.6% Polish @ 4.39
4 57.1% Ukrainian + 42.9% West_Sicilian @ 4.47
5 63.8% Ukrainian + 36.2% Italian_Jewish @ 4.57
6 70.1% Moldavian + 29.9% Tuscan @ 4.57
7 84% Moldavian + 16% Sardinian @ 4.59
8 54.7% Greek_Thessaly + 45.3% South_Polish @ 4.61
9 58.9% Croatian + 41.1% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.63
10 64.8% Ukrainian + 35.2% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.63
11 52.8% Ukrainian_Lviv + 47.2% Tuscan @ 4.63
12 57.6% Ukrainian + 42.4% East_Sicilian @ 4.68
13 53.1% Greek_Thessaly + 46.9% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.71
14 69.1% Moldavian + 30.9% North_Italian @ 4.75
15 58.4% Ukrainian_Lviv + 41.6% West_Sicilian @ 4.82
16 60.8% Ukrainian + 39.2% South_Italian @ 4.89
17 65.5% Moldavian + 34.5% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.92
18 75.2% Moldavian + 24.8% West_Sicilian @ 4.93
19 64.3% Greek_Thessaly + 35.7% Estonian @ 4.97
20 78.2% Croatian + 21.8% Libyan_Jewish @ 4.97

MDLP World 22

# Population Percent
1 North-East-European 41.24
2 Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 32.44
3 Near_East 11.92
4 West-Asian 10.26
5 North-European-Mesolithic 2.05
6 South-America_Amerind 0.94
7 Indo-Tibetan 0.45
8 Pygmy 0.37
9 Indo-Iranian 0.34

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Macedonian (derived) 4.27
2 Montenegrin (derived) 5
3 Serbian (derived) 5.44
4 Bulgarian (derived) 5.71
5 Gagauz (derived) 8.57
6 Romania (derived) 9.18
7 German-South (derived) 9.86
8 Bosnian (derived) 9.93
9 Swiss (derived) 10
10 Italian_North (derived) 11.06
11 Croatian (derived) 11.4
12 Hungarian (derived) 11.72
13 Austrian (derived) 11.8
14 German_V (derived) 12.14
15 Provancestralal (derived) 12.36
16 CEU_V (derived) 13.51
17 French (derived) 13.59
18 CEU (derived) 13.98
19 Slovenian (derived) 14.02
20 British (derived) 14.5

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 65.1% Czech (derived) + 34.9% Jew_Francestrale (derived) @ 2.12
2 67.3% Czech (derived) + 32.7% Sephardim (derived) @ 2.29
3 65.7% Czech (derived) + 34.3% Jew_Italia (derived) @ 2.37
4 70% Slovenian (derived) + 30% Jew_Francestrale (derived) @ 2.4
5 81.4% Austrian (derived) + 18.6% Samaritian (derived) @ 2.5
6 72.1% Slovenian (derived) + 27.9% Sephardim (derived) @ 2.51
7 74% Slovenian (derived) + 26% Jew_Libya (derived) @ 2.52
8 70.6% Slovenian (derived) + 29.4% Jew_Italia (derived) @ 2.55
9 71.7% Slovenian (derived) + 28.3% Jew_Morocco (derived) @ 2.59
10 73.2% Slovenian (derived) + 26.8% Jew_Tunisia (derived) @ 2.61
11 95.1% Serbian (derived) + 4.9% Near_East (ancestral) @ 2.62
12 63.4% Slovakian (derived) + 36.6% Jew_Francestrale (derived) @ 2.65
13 72.9% Slovenian (derived) + 27.1% Jew_Algeria (derived) @ 2.69
14 70% German-North (derived) + 30% Jew_Tunisia (derived) @ 2.7
15 68.2% Czech (derived) + 31.8% Jew_Algeria (derived) @ 2.7
16 73.9% Hungarian (derived) + 26.1% Jew_Francestrale (derived) @ 2.8
17 79.3% CEU_V (derived) + 20.7% Samaritian (derived) @ 2.8
18 61% Czech (derived) + 39% Sicilian (derived) @ 2.83
19 59.2% Slovakian (derived) + 40.8% Sicilian (derived) @ 2.84
20 77.5% Hungarian (derived) + 22.5% Jew_Libya (derived) @ 2.84

https://i.imgur.com/Z5XQnjS.png

Father and Son (Russians, Volgograd) unnumbered, in Bright Blue

https://i.imgur.com/duoP8Di.png

45 - Russian (Far East)
46 - Russian, Chinese
47- Russian, Chinese

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Originally Posted by Leto

You see even 1/4 Mongol people (Kalmyks and Buryats are Mongolic speakers) plot very far even from Kargopol and Erzya. And many believe those would be average Russians :rolleyes:

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Do you have any Kaliningrad Russian kits? Do you know which part of mainland Russia most of them are originally from?

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Originally Posted by Cumansky

Montenegrin is from Podgorica, close match top 50 in GEDmatch. Surname Popovic.

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Nice find. Popović is extremely stereotypical Montenegrin surname.

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Originally Posted by Mingle

Do you have any Kaliningrad Russian kits? Do you know which part of mainland Russia most of them are originally from?

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No, but they were from all over Russia. Mainly Western and Northwestern parts though plus a lot of Ukrainians and Belorussians. It's a new territory, there's no specific genetic profile of them. I guess they are kind of like Baltic Russians. For example most Russians (excl. UA & BEL) in Estonia and Latvia (60-65%) were from European Russia west of Tatarstan, a lot were from oblasts that are geographically even closer to those Baltic republics (Pskov, Leningrad, Smolensk, Tver).

Add that croat match of mine.

North_Sea 15.60 Pct
Atlantic 17.26 Pct
Baltic 17.64 Pct
Eastern_Euro 12.62 Pct
West_Med 10.67 Pct
West_Asian 7.64 Pct
East_Med 14.92 Pct
Red_Sea 2.25 Pct
South_Asian -
Southeast_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.81 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.58 Pct