German GEDmatch results

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

The Münster and Detmold administrative districts are pretty Northern

Yes, Arnsberg too is Westfalen.

This land is new entity. Always Westfalen was part of Saxon ethnic realm and Nordrhein was extension of Rheinland (Pfalz was different region but genetically very similar).

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...z-1830.svg.png

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucas

Yes, Arnsberg too is Westfalen.

This land is new entity. Always Westfalen was part of Saxon ethnic realm and Nordrhein was extension of Rheinland (Pfalz was different region but genetically very similar).

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...z-1830.svg.png

But is Hessen actually Southern Germany?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

But is Hessen actually Southern Germany?

For me it is west-central but I understand that Creoda wanted to have dual partition. And Hessen is closer to south than north.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Creoda

Average of 18 Southern German results (Bavaria, Baden-Wurttemburg, Rhineland-Pfalz & Hessia)

Code:

German_South,41.78,22.89,16.36,6.24,9.41,1.09,0.52,0.25,0.31,0.42,0.38,0.18,0.11

Code:

Distance to: German_South 1.40085688 France_Alsace 2.24519487 Swiss_German2 2.40937751 Pennsylvania_Dutch 2.46369641 Swiss_German 3.10378801 France_north-east 4.25241108 Belgian 4.27588587 German_West 5.38879393 Flemish 5.43031307 Afrikaner 6.07754062 Swiss_French 6.33097939 German 6.45768534 France_Central 8.56256387 France_north-west 8.69923560 Austrian 9.13985230 French 9.46383115 English_Southeast 9.86094316 English_Midlands 10.16089563 Italian_Aosta_Valley 10.34730883 English 10.35703143 Dutch 10.52942069 English_Southwest 10.67860946 North_German 11.13780948 Dutch_Central 11.22266902 English_North 11.43776202 Welsh Target: German_South Distance: 0.1943% / 0.19428689 | R3P | ADC: 0.25x RC 57.1 Swiss_German2 34.4 Flemish 8.5 Croat_West Target: German_South Distance: 0.5789% / 0.57891961 | R2P | ADC: 0.25x RC 76.8 France_Alsace 23.2 Belgian Target: German_South Distance: 0.3811% / 0.38109367 | ADC: 0.25x RC 37.2 Swiss_German2 23.6 France_Alsace 16.8 German 14.1 Pennsylvania_Dutch 8.3 Belgian

Average of 22 Northwest German results (Lower Saxony, Schleswig-Holstein, Hamburg & NRW)

Code:

German_Northwest,48.15,27.06,11.62,5.35,3.94,0.84,1.28,0.13,0.43,0.44,0.40,0.15,0.14

Code:

Distance to: German_Northwest 2.28516958 Dutch 2.36586137 Dutch_Central 2.47967740 North_German 2.59079138 Dutch_North 3.80320917 Denmark 4.26923881 Icelandic 4.30864248 English_North 4.32463871 Sweden_Götaland 4.42860023 Norway_South_Central 4.45269581 English 4.45912547 English_Southeast 4.48781684 English_Midlands 4.53018763 Norwegian 4.60625661 Orcadian 4.91450913 Swedish 5.11561336 Sweden_Svealand_West 5.23874031 English_Southwest 5.33401350 Welsh 5.70074557 Scottish 6.09453033 Irish_Leinster 6.18203850 Flemish 6.29612579 France_north-west 6.48151217 German 6.68440723 West_Scottish 6.68973094 German_West Target: German_Northwest Distance: 0.6313% / 0.63132538 | R2P | ADC: 0.25x RC 83.4 Dutch_North 16.6 Austrian Target: German_Northwest Distance: 0.4435% / 0.44350357 | ADC: 0.25x RC 51.7 Dutch 20.1 Swedish 20.0 North_German 8.2 German w/o North German and German references Target: German_Northwest Distance: 0.6073% / 0.60733228 | R2P | ADC: 0.25x RC 74.2 Norway_South_Central 25.8 Swiss_German2 Target: German_Northwest Distance: 0.3588% / 0.35884866 | ADC: 0.25x RC 49.1 Dutch 38.4 Denmark 11.6 Austrian 0.5 Punjabi_Jat 0.4 Swedish Target: German_Northwest Distance: 0.3209% / 0.32085763 | R3P | ADC: 0.25x RC 46.6 Swedish 28.8 German_West 24.6 Scottish

Stark difference.

Looks great! Much better than current west and north German average, that's for sure. I wouldn't mind if they replaced them.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stearsolina

Looks great! Much better than current west and north German average, that's for sure. I wouldn't mind if they replaced them.

Thanks! I don't think the current West German average needs to be replaced though, it's between these two averages, so perhaps better represents some Central West Germans, or mixed West Germans.

And here's a new weighted German average based on the approximate populations of the thirds of Germany - S. German avg x2, NW German avg x2, E. German avg x1.

Code:

German,43.4,26.85,13.90,5.80,6.46,0.94,0.93,0.16,0.34,0.46,0.37,0.16,0.13

Code:

Distance to: German 3.45430167 German_West 4.78245753 Flemish 4.81241104 Afrikaner 4.94606915 Belgian 5.78409889 German_South 5.85647505 North_German 5.87374667 German_Northwest 6.64474228 France_Alsace 6.70114169 Dutch 7.15015384 English_Southeast 7.33023192 Austrian 7.34310561 Dutch_Central 7.37164161 France_north-east 7.46327676 France_north-west 7.47537290 English_Midlands 7.65730370 Pennsylvania_Dutch 7.82503674 English 7.90385982 Swiss_German 7.97736172 Swiss_German2 8.27081012 Dutch_North 8.34796382 English_Southwest 8.36323502 English_North 8.98229926 Swedish 8.98983871 Welsh 9.35932156 Orcadian Target: German Distance: 0.1796% / 0.17959398 | ADC: 0.25x RC 42.9 Belgian 28.2 German_East 17.1 German_Northwest 11.8 German_West

Quote:

Originally Posted by Creoda

I don't think the current West German average needs to be replaced though, it's between these two averages, so perhaps better represents some Central West Germans, or mixed West Germans.

Agree, I think the current West German average is very reasonable. My mother should be about 15% English, and that's more or less what she scores using West German and English in source. Although my mother has southern German ancestry too, the larger bulk of her German ancestry is West.

Target: MrG-mom
Distance: 1.0765% / 1.07650237
82.6 German_West
17.4 English_Southeast

Target: MrG-mom
Distance: 1.0583% / 1.05828352
85.5 German_West
14.4 English_Southwest
0.1 English_Midlands

The problem with Germany is that a lot of ethnic Germans in former West Germany have a parent or grandparent from Silesia, Prussia and Sudetenland. Like Teutone for example.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Creoda

Thanks! I don't think the current West German average needs to be replaced though, it's between these two averages, so perhaps better represents some Central West Germans, or mixed West Germans.

And here's a new weighted German average based on the approximate populations of the thirds of Germany - S. German avg x2, NW German avg x2, E. German avg x1.

Code:

German,43.4,26.85,13.90,5.80,6.46,0.94,0.93,0.16,0.34,0.46,0.37,0.16,0.13

Code:

Distance to: German 3.45430167 German_West 4.78245753 Flemish 4.81241104 Afrikaner 4.94606915 Belgian 5.78409889 German_South 5.85647505 North_German 5.87374667 German_Northwest 6.64474228 France_Alsace 6.70114169 Dutch 7.15015384 English_Southeast 7.33023192 Austrian 7.34310561 Dutch_Central 7.37164161 France_north-east 7.46327676 France_north-west 7.47537290 English_Midlands 7.65730370 Pennsylvania_Dutch 7.82503674 English 7.90385982 Swiss_German 7.97736172 Swiss_German2 8.27081012 Dutch_North 8.34796382 English_Southwest 8.36323502 English_North 8.98229926 Swedish 8.98983871 Welsh 9.35932156 Orcadian Target: German Distance: 0.1796% / 0.17959398 | ADC: 0.25x RC 42.9 Belgian 28.2 German_East 17.1 German_Northwest 11.8 German_West

With the new German samples:

3.63994505 German_South
3.84512679 France_Alsace
3.84746670 German_West
4.13974637 German
4.35175827 German(new)
4.93688161 Swiss_German
5.23624866 Swiss_German2
5.50701371 Belgian
5.56682136 Afrikaner
5.74309150 France_north-east
5.76835332 Pennsylvania_Dutch
6.10307300 Flemish
6.58058508 Austrian
7.86701341 Swiss_French
8.98581660 North_German
9.11175614 France_north-west
9.41302821 English_Southeast
9.49142244 German_Northwest
9.55678293 France_Central
9.83853139 Dutch
9.86310296 English_Midlands
10.28084627 English
10.56028409 Dutch_Central
10.70806705 English_Southwest
10.95269373 German_East

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

The problem with Germany is that a lot of ethnic Germans in former West Germany have a parent or grandparent from Silesia, Prussia and Sudetenland. Like Teutone for example.

It's present ofcourse, but not that lot. West Germany has giant population and vast majority (excluding foreigners) is fully native to it.
East German lands always had much lower population than those in the west.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stearsolina

It's present ofcourse, but not that lot. West Germany has giant population and vast majority (excluding foreigners) is fully native to it.
East German lands always had much lower population than those in the west.

I think several million people were expelled from those lands soon after the end of WW2, so that's not a small percentage. I'm not talking out of my ass, I've heard and read many Germans mentioning such refugees in their families.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

I think several million people were expelled from those lands soon after the end of WW2, so that's not a small percentage. I'm not talking out of my ass, I've heard and read many Germans mentioning such refugees in their families.

That's true, but that it's not like every second west German has eastern roots.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stearsolina

That's true, but that it's not like every second west German has eastern roots.

Agree, probably one in five or so.

Quote:

With at least[275] 12 million[96][276][277] Germans directly involved, possibly 14 million[258][278] or more,[279] it was the largest movement or transfer of any single ethnic population in European history[277][280][281] and the largest among the post-war expulsions in Central and Eastern Europe (which displaced 20 to 31 million people in total).[276]

The exact number of Germans expelled after the war is still unknown, because most recent research provides a combined estimate which includes those who were evacuated by the German authorities, fled or were killed during the war. It is estimated that between 12 and 14 million German citizens and foreign ethnic Germans and their descendants were displaced from their homes. The exact number of casualties is still unknown and is difficult to establish due to the chaotic nature of the last months of the war. Census figures placed the total number of ethnic Germans still living in Eastern Europe in 1950, after the major expulsions were complete, at approximately 2.6 million, about 12 percent of the pre-war total.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight...the_expulsions

West Germany had 50 million people in 1950 (after the expulsion)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

Agree, probably one in five or so.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight...the_expulsions

West Germany had 50 million people in 1950 (after the expulsion)

Well how would you weight the average then?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Creoda

Well how would you weight the average then?

I can't be sure. Those Eastern Germans may not have been homogeneous. But let's consider this:
- West Germany had a population of 50 m (1950) 25% of which were the refugees
- East Germany had 18 m (1950)

At least 40% of the samples should be Eastern German. I know that sounds like a lot.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

I can't be sure. Those Eastern Germans may not have been homogeneous. But let's consider this:
- West Germany had a population of 50 m (1950) 25% of which were the refugees
- East Germany had 18 m (1950)

At least 40% of the samples should be Eastern German. I know that sounds like a lot.

Maybe NW & South x3, East x2 then. (1/4 rather than 1/5)

A lot of those 'Germans' are largely East Euro too, I'm not sure that mixed diaspora should take precedence.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Creoda

Maybe NW & South x3, East x2 then. (1/4 rather than 1/5)

A lot of those 'Germans' are largely East Euro too, I'm not sure that mixed diaspora should take precedence.

What mixed diaspora? The Moustache Man was waging war on their behalf, they spoke German and identified as German at any rate. And got kicked out of Poland and Czechoslovakia for being German. Now those people are mostly dead but their children and grandchildren are fully assimilated, unlike the repatriates from the former Soviet Union in which case they are indeed much less pure ancestry-wise. Around 2 million Aussiedler (incl. family members) have migrated from Russia, Kazakhstan and Ukraine over the past 30 years.
At least one quarter of the samples should be fully East German.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

What mixed diaspora? The Moustache Man was waging war on their behalf, they spoke German and identified as German at any rate. And got kicked out of Poland and Czechoslovakia for being German. Now those people are mostly dead but their children and grandchildren are fully assimilated, unlike the repatriates from the former Soviet Union in which case they are indeed much less pure ancestry-wise. Around 2 million Aussiedler (incl. family members) have migrated from Russia, Kazakhstan and Ukraine over the past 30 years.
At least one quarter of the samples should be fully East German.

Not only Germany from Poland and Czech Republic arrived after 1945. Huge amount of Danube Swabians arrived too, and many (not all) of those very heavily mixed with locals. Also Transylvanian Germans etc.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Creoda

Maybe NW & South x3, East x2 then. (1/4 rather than 1/5)

A lot of those 'Germans' are largely East Euro too, I'm not sure that mixed diaspora should take precedence.

They're indeed mixed, but so are East Germans...

I think Germans should decide this, but it seems there are hardly any Germans here, the ones that are here aren't into this stuff.
Teutone once said for him Eastern European Germans are as German as any other Germans.

From Stade district near Hamburg, checked her Gedcom, only NW German ancestors:

Spoiler!

1 North_Atlantic 51.54
2 Baltic 22.27
3 West_Med 10.53
4 West_Asian 7.79
5 East_Med 5.57
6 Oceanian 1.21
7 South_Asian 0.54
8 Northeast_African 0.54

# Population (source) Distance
1 Southeast_English 4.6
2 Irish 4.83
3 West_Scottish 4.85
4 North_Dutch 4.86
5 Orcadian 4.9
6 Danish 5.09
7 Southwest_English 5.57
8 North_German 6.29
9 Norwegian 7.09
10 South_Dutch 8.28

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 94.2% West_Scottish + 5.8% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.16
2 94.4% West_Scottish + 5.6% Iranian_Jewish @ 3.22
3 94.3% West_Scottish + 5.7% Assyrian @ 3.25
4 94.5% West_Scottish + 5.5% Kurdish_Jewish @ 3.26
5 94.3% West_Scottish + 5.7% Armenian @ 3.28
6 94.4% West_Scottish + 5.6% Georgian_Jewish @ 3.29
7 94.2% West_Scottish + 5.8% Kurdish @ 3.31
8 93.8% West_Scottish + 6.2% Azeri @ 3.36
9 94.3% West_Scottish + 5.7% Iranian @ 3.38
10 94.2% West_Scottish + 5.8% Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.4

From Kassel district, the northernmost part of Hessen:

Spoiler!

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 50.36
2 Baltic 24.82
3 West_Med 11.15
4 East_Med 6.33
5 West_Asian 4.48
6 Red_Sea 1.04
7 Oceanian 0.76
8 East_Asian 0.66
9 Amerindian 0.24
10 Northeast_African 0.16

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Dutch 3.43
2 Southeast_English 3.44
3 Danish 3.7
4 Orcadian 4.11
5 North_German 4.93
6 Irish 5.18
7 West_Scottish 5.24
8 Southwest_English 5.59
9 Norwegian 5.62
10 South_Dutch 7.28

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 95.4% North_Dutch + 4.6% Italian_Jewish @ 2.57
2 50.3% North_Dutch + 49.7% Southeast_English @ 2.61
3 91% North_Dutch + 9% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.62
4 95.8% North_Dutch + 4.2% Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.64
5 96.9% North_Dutch + 3.1% Yemenite_Jewish @ 2.64
6 54% Southeast_English + 46% Danish @ 2.64
7 92.3% Southeast_English + 7.7% La_Brana-1 @ 2.65
8 95.5% North_Dutch + 4.5% Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.65
9 91.3% North_Dutch + 8.7% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.66
10 95.9% North_Dutch + 4.1% Libyan_Jewish @ 2.66

From Nürnberg, Franconia:

Spoiler!

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 40.73
2 Baltic 27.24
3 West_Med 14.71
4 East_Med 11.91
5 West_Asian 4.22
6 Amerindian 1.03
7 Oceanian 0.16

# Population (source) Distance
1 Austrian 5.93
2 West_German 6.19
3 South_Dutch 7.33
4 East_German 7.46
5 Hungarian 9.1
6 North_German 9.95
7 French 10.33
8 Southeast_English 10.96
9 Danish 11.66
10 North_Dutch 11.91

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 55.4% Southeast_English + 44.6% Serbian @ 3.78
2 63.8% West_German + 36.2% Hungarian @ 4.15
3 58.2% North_Swedish + 41.8% North_Italian @ 4.15
4 55.6% Hungarian + 44.4% Southeast_English @ 4.18
5 57.4% South_Dutch + 42.6% Hungarian @ 4.21
6 84% West_German + 16% Belorussian @ 4.32
7 52.2% Austrian + 47.8% West_German @ 4.34
8 84.2% West_German + 15.8% Estonian_Polish @ 4.34
9 71.4% French + 28.6% Belorussian @ 4.35
10 81.1% West_German + 18.9% Ukrainian @ 4.35

Half from Donau-Ries district + half Sudetengerman:

Spoiler!

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 34.71
2 Baltic 26.3
3 West_Med 19.15
4 East_Med 11.37
5 West_Asian 7.19
6 Sub-Saharan 0.46
7 Oceanian 0.4
8 Amerindian 0.37
9 Siberian 0.04

# Population (source) Distance
1 Austrian 6.5
2 Hungarian 8.06
3 East_German 8.43
4 Serbian 8.77
5 West_German 9.42
6 South_Dutch 10.61
7 French 10.97
8 Romanian 11.69
9 Croatian 11.89
10 Moldavian 12.1

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 86.8% Austrian + 13.2% Sardinian @ 2.35
2 66.4% East_German + 33.6% North_Italian @ 2.43
3 57% Croatian + 43% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.46
4 57% Spanish_Valencia + 43% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.57
5 59.9% Spanish_Cataluna + 40.1% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.57
6 53.5% South_Polish + 46.5% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.72
7 71.6% Hungarian + 28.4% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.79
8 54.7% Spanish_Andalucia + 45.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.8
9 69.7% Hungarian + 30.3% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.8
10 71.7% East_German + 28.3% Tuscan @ 2.81

^^^^Very useful, shows northern Hesse is north German like, at least this person is. There may be big genetical divide inside Hesse itself.

Did I miss any Mecklenburger results? I’d imagine basically them to be NW Germans with a certain amount of Lechitic admix.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stearsolina

^^^^Very useful, shows northern Hesse is north German like, at least this person is. There may be big genetical divide inside Hesse itself.

The northernmost parts of Hesse were traditionally Saxon-speaking which may be the cause of this sharp genetic divide.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Universe

I think Germans should decide this, but it seems there are hardly any Germans here, the ones that are here aren't into this stuff.
Teutone once said for him Eastern European Germans are as German as any other Germans.

Eastern Germany (former GDR) is more conservative and patriotic than Western Germany which is... I'm not going into that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Universe

They're indeed mixed, but so are East Germans...

I think Germans should decide this, but it seems there are hardly any Germans here, the ones that are here aren't into this stuff.
Teutone once said for him Eastern European Germans are as German as any other Germans.

He would say that though.

OK, a German average that is 37.5% NW German, 37.5% South German, and 25% East German.

Code:

German,43.00,27.31,13.88,5.81,6.40,0.94,0.94,0.15,0.34,0.46,0.36,0.15,0.13

Distance to: German
3.98302649 German_West
5.26919349 Afrikaner
5.39010204 Flemish
5.52051628 Belgian
6.06348085 North_German
6.82518864 Austrian
6.82792062 France_Alsace
7.14175049 Dutch
7.68839385 English_Southeast
7.75524983 Dutch_Central
7.79365126 France_north-east
7.98844165 Pennsylvania_Dutch
8.00512961 English_Midlands
8.02219421 France_north-west
8.08093435 Swiss_German
8.23270308 Swiss_German2
8.34149267 English
8.61322239 Dutch_North
8.84758724 English_North
8.87259827 English_Southwest
8.98221576 Swedish
9.20207585 German_East
9.48705961 Welsh
9.62590256 Denmark
9.79926528 Orcadian

Target: German
Distance: 0.1659% / 0.16591651 | R3P | ADC: 0.25x RC
65.6 English_Southwest
20.1 Sorb_Lusatia
14.3 Serb_south

Target: German
Distance: 0.4491% / 0.44909104 | R2P | ADC: 0.25x RC
63.1 Flemish
36.9 German_East

Target: German
Distance: 0.3269% / 0.32693837 | ADC: 0.25x RC
42.1 German
22.2 Pennsylvania_Dutch
15.3 Swedish
14.6 German_East
5.8 France_north-west

Without German references

Target: German
Distance: 0.2407% / 0.24073856 | R3P | ADC: 0.25x RC
49.8 English_Southwest
31.9 Croat_West
18.3 Swedish

Target: German
Distance: 0.4646% / 0.46464232 | R2P | ADC: 0.25x RC
63.5 English_Midlands
36.5 Slovenian

Target: German
Distance: 0.4667% / 0.46666659 | ADC: 0.25x RC
39.6 Austrian
39.6 Flemish
19.3 Swedish
1.5 Afrikaner

Better?

^^^It's interesting, Germany has such a variance regionally, my mother seems almost half English using the new German average.

Target: Mr.G_mother
Distance: 2.6587% / 2.65866521
54.7 German
45.3 English_Southeast

Quote:

Originally Posted by Creoda

OK, a German average that is 37.5% NW German, 37.5% South German, and 25% East German.

Better?

Nice. I don't think we can calculate a more precise proportion, it's very difficult. Too much time has passed since the 1940s. Like I said earlier, East Germans may not be all the same. Some people residing in those territories may be not as Eastern as one would think.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Creoda

OK, a German average that is 37.5% NW German, 37.5% South German, and 25% East German.

Code:

German,43.00,27.31,13.88,5.81,6.40,0.94,0.94,0.15,0.34,0.46,0.36,0.15,0.13

Distance to: German
3.98302649 German_West
5.26919349 Afrikaner
5.39010204 Flemish
5.52051628 Belgian
6.06348085 North_German
6.82518864 Austrian
6.82792062 France_Alsace
7.14175049 Dutch
7.68839385 English_Southeast
7.75524983 Dutch_Central
7.79365126 France_north-east
7.98844165 Pennsylvania_Dutch
8.00512961 English_Midlands
8.02219421 France_north-west
8.08093435 Swiss_German
8.23270308 Swiss_German2
8.34149267 English
8.61322239 Dutch_North
8.84758724 English_North
8.87259827 English_Southwest
8.98221576 Swedish
9.20207585 German_East
9.48705961 Welsh
9.62590256 Denmark
9.79926528 Orcadian

Target: German
Distance: 0.1659% / 0.16591651 | R3P | ADC: 0.25x RC
65.6 English_Southwest
20.1 Sorb_Lusatia
14.3 Serb_south

Target: German
Distance: 0.4491% / 0.44909104 | R2P | ADC: 0.25x RC
63.1 Flemish
36.9 German_East

Target: German
Distance: 0.3269% / 0.32693837 | ADC: 0.25x RC
42.1 German
22.2 Pennsylvania_Dutch
15.3 Swedish
14.6 German_East
5.8 France_north-west

Without German references

Target: German
Distance: 0.2407% / 0.24073856 | R3P | ADC: 0.25x RC
49.8 English_Southwest
31.9 Croat_West
18.3 Swedish

Target: German
Distance: 0.4646% / 0.46464232 | R2P | ADC: 0.25x RC
63.5 English_Midlands
36.5 Slovenian

Target: German
Distance: 0.4667% / 0.46666659 | ADC: 0.25x RC
39.6 Austrian
39.6 Flemish
19.3 Swedish
1.5 Afrikaner

Better?

Great work, looks as realistic as possible to me. :thumbsup:

@Creoda
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3/4 Dortmund, 1/4 Posen (modern-day Poland but the migration event is unrelated to WW2)

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

Kit TH1644609

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 43.46
2 Baltic 26.03
3 West_Med 14.35
4 West_Asian 8.41
5 East_Med 3.6
6 Amerindian 1.5
7 East_Asian 1.26
8 Oceanian 0.97
9 Siberian 0.26
10 Red_Sea 0.13

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_German 5.72
2 West_German 5.83
3 South_Dutch 6.01
4 North_Dutch 7.36
5 Danish 7.59
6 Southeast_English 7.77
7 Orcadian 8.02
8 Austrian 8.07
9 East_German 8.63
10 Irish 8.64
11 Swedish 8.66
12 Norwegian 8.77
13 Southwest_English 9.06
14 West_Scottish 9.64
15 French 11.51
16 Hungarian 12.54
17 North_Swedish 12.6
18 Croatian 17.54
19 Serbian 17.88
20 South_Polish 18.59

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 69.5% Irish + 30.5% Moldavian @ 2.59
2 67% West_Scottish + 33% Moldavian @ 2.88
3 71.7% Orcadian + 28.3% Moldavian @ 3.14
4 68.7% Southwest_English + 31.3% Moldavian @ 3.16
5 68.3% Irish + 31.7% Croatian @ 3.22
6 52% Austrian + 48% Irish @ 3.27
7 68.8% Irish + 31.2% Serbian @ 3.34
8 60.3% Irish + 39.7% Hungarian @ 3.39
9 67.2% Southwest_English + 32.8% Croatian @ 3.39
10 65.6% West_Scottish + 34.4% Croatian @ 3.45
11 55.3% Austrian + 44.7% West_Scottish @ 3.53
12 72.6% Irish + 27.4% Romanian @ 3.59
13 59.1% Southwest_English + 40.9% Hungarian @ 3.6
14 50.2% Orcadian + 49.8% Austrian @ 3.61
15 75.2% Irish + 24.8% Bulgarian @ 3.61
16 70.6% Orcadian + 29.4% Croatian @ 3.65
17 53.6% Austrian + 46.4% Southwest_English @ 3.7
18 57.4% West_Scottish + 42.6% Hungarian @ 3.72
19 50.1% East_German + 49.9% Irish @ 3.76
20 73.2% Southeast_English + 26.8% Moldavian @ 3.81

Associated kits:
XX7642720
AX2049579
EF6125411

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.G

^^^It's interesting, Germany has such a variance regionally, my mother seems almost half English using the new German average.

Target: Mr.G_mother
Distance: 2.6587% / 2.65866521
54.7 German
45.3 English_Southeast

Looks like the G25 German average may be quite similar to what Creoda has recently worked out for the K13 German average. Both averages are probably quite good, it's just my mother is too west-shifted to be represented by them.

G25
Target: Mr.G_mom_scaled
Distance: 1.5826% / 0.01582579
58.6 German
41.4 English_Cornwall

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.G

Looks like the G25 German average may be quite similar to what Creoda has recently worked out for the K13 German average. Both averages are probably quite good, it's just my mother is too west-shifted to be represented by them.

G25
Target: Mr.G_mom_scaled
Distance: 1.5826% / 0.01582579
58.6 German
41.4 English_Cornwall

Is your mother full west German or she has some distant British roots?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stearsolina

Is your mother full west German or she has some distant British roots?

To the best of my knowledge:

60% West German
25% Southern German
12% English
Small % Prussian

My uncle (her brother) who did all the research for the fam tree, claims that we have Prussian ancestry too (it's a family story), although he can't prove it through the paper trail as the ancestor is listed simply as German. My mother does score 6% Eastern European on AncestryDNA. I also noticed that my DNA relatives who are connected to the supposedly Prussian line all score some Eastern European, so I do think my mother has this ancestry but it is not detectable on Eurogenes.

A German American from Wisconsin. He was born in the U.S., his parents and even some grandparents were also born there but all of his ancestry seems to be German (German first and last names), mostly from modern Poland and also from modern Eastern Germany like Saxony and Thuringia.

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

Kit A600204

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 38.9
2 Baltic 37.97
3 West_Med 11.68
4 West_Asian 4.08
5 East_Med 3.16
6 South_Asian 1.3
7 Red_Sea 1.04
8 Amerindian 0.61
9 Sub-Saharan 0.57
10 Oceanian 0.5
11 Northeast_African 0.2

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 East_German 6.82
2 North_Swedish 7.51
3 Southwest_Finnish 8.66
4 South_Polish 8.83
5 Austrian 9.38
6 Polish 10.08
7 Hungarian 10.51
8 Swedish 10.78
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 11.19
10 Ukrainian 11.38
11 North_German 12.2
12 Croatian 12.35
13 Russian_Smolensk 13.58
14 Finnish 13.7
15 Norwegian 13.76
16 Belorussian 13.76
17 Estonian 13.89
18 Estonian_Polish 14.07
19 Danish 14.11
20 North_Dutch 14.41

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 56.7% Estonian_Polish + 43.3% Southwest_English @ 1.36
2 61.8% Polish + 38.2% Orcadian @ 1.52
3 64.3% Polish + 35.7% West_Scottish @ 1.57
4 57.2% Belorussian + 42.8% Southwest_English @ 1.6
5 50.7% Southeast_English + 49.3% Lithuanian @ 1.6
6 64.7% Polish + 35.3% Southwest_English @ 1.6
7 57.6% Russian_Smolensk + 42.4% Southwest_English @ 1.72
8 54.9% Estonian_Polish + 45.1% Irish @ 1.74
9 51.7% Lithuanian + 48.3% Southwest_English @ 1.74
10 63.2% Polish + 36.8% Irish @ 1.77
11 56.2% Estonian_Polish + 43.8% West_Scottish @ 1.78
12 62.6% Polish + 37.4% Southeast_English @ 1.79
13 59% Polish + 41% North_Dutch @ 1.81
14 53.6% Estonian_Polish + 46.4% Orcadian @ 1.81
15 58.5% Polish + 41.5% Danish @ 1.93
16 54.4% Estonian_Polish + 45.6% Southeast_English @ 1.94
17 55.3% Russian_Smolensk + 44.7% Southeast_English @ 1.98
18 54.5% Russian_Smolensk + 45.5% Orcadian @ 1.98
19 50.6% Estonian_Polish + 49.4% North_Dutch @ 2.09
20 58% Polish + 42% Norwegian @ 2.11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

A German American from Wisconsin. He was born in the U.S., his parents and even some grandparents were also born there but all of his ancestry seems to be German (German first and last names), mostly from modern Poland and also from modern Eastern Germany like Saxony and Thuringia.

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

Kit A600204

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 38.9
2 Baltic 37.97
3 West_Med 11.68
4 West_Asian 4.08
5 East_Med 3.16
6 South_Asian 1.3
7 Red_Sea 1.04
8 Amerindian 0.61
9 Sub-Saharan 0.57
10 Oceanian 0.5
11 Northeast_African 0.2

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 East_German 6.82
2 North_Swedish 7.51
3 Southwest_Finnish 8.66
4 South_Polish 8.83
5 Austrian 9.38
6 Polish 10.08
7 Hungarian 10.51
8 Swedish 10.78
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 11.19
10 Ukrainian 11.38
11 North_German 12.2
12 Croatian 12.35
13 Russian_Smolensk 13.58
14 Finnish 13.7
15 Norwegian 13.76
16 Belorussian 13.76
17 Estonian 13.89
18 Estonian_Polish 14.07
19 Danish 14.11
20 North_Dutch 14.41

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 56.7% Estonian_Polish + 43.3% Southwest_English @ 1.36
2 61.8% Polish + 38.2% Orcadian @ 1.52
3 64.3% Polish + 35.7% West_Scottish @ 1.57
4 57.2% Belorussian + 42.8% Southwest_English @ 1.6
5 50.7% Southeast_English + 49.3% Lithuanian @ 1.6
6 64.7% Polish + 35.3% Southwest_English @ 1.6
7 57.6% Russian_Smolensk + 42.4% Southwest_English @ 1.72
8 54.9% Estonian_Polish + 45.1% Irish @ 1.74
9 51.7% Lithuanian + 48.3% Southwest_English @ 1.74
10 63.2% Polish + 36.8% Irish @ 1.77
11 56.2% Estonian_Polish + 43.8% West_Scottish @ 1.78
12 62.6% Polish + 37.4% Southeast_English @ 1.79
13 59% Polish + 41% North_Dutch @ 1.81
14 53.6% Estonian_Polish + 46.4% Orcadian @ 1.81
15 58.5% Polish + 41.5% Danish @ 1.93
16 54.4% Estonian_Polish + 45.6% Southeast_English @ 1.94
17 55.3% Russian_Smolensk + 44.7% Southeast_English @ 1.98
18 54.5% Russian_Smolensk + 45.5% Orcadian @ 1.98
19 50.6% Estonian_Polish + 49.4% North_Dutch @ 2.09
20 58% Polish + 42% Norwegian @ 2.11

Would you say more or less Eastern-shifted than expected?

Quote:

Originally Posted by CordedWhelp

Would you say more or less Eastern-shifted than expected?

He is pretty Eastern
58.5% Polish + 41.5% Danish @ 1.93
More than half Polak!
But he is still German and I'm sure there is no "Slavic" identity in his family whatsoever. Only German American.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CordedWhelp

Would you say more or less Eastern-shifted than expected?

He may be avarage Prussian from what I've seen. They were a blend of Balts, Poles and Germans considering ancestry.
I think he's unique because not many White Americans are only one ethnicity nowadays.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Universe

He may be avarage Prussian from what I've seen. They were a blend of Balts, Poles and Germans considering ancestry.
I think he's unique because not many White Americans are only one ethnicity nowadays.

Hmm, I used to assume that the Balts probably had a very neglible impact on any modern day German or even many Germans from Poland, but I am reconsidering. I remember you helping me work out some things with my father's ancestry before and he indeed seemed to have a little Baltic.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Universe

He may be avarage Prussian from what I've seen. They were a blend of Balts, Poles and Germans considering ancestry.
I think he's unique because not many White Americans are only one ethnicity nowadays.

Parts of the Midwest are still heavily German. That man is not young, his grandkids may be half African American now :swl

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

Parts of the Midwest are still heavily German. That man is not young, his grandkids may be half African American now :swl

True, although it still isn't "rare" to find full Germans of my generation in Wisconsin. I think more Bavarians and Swabians went there, but like you've pointed with these results, there are also some from further north and east.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CordedWhelp

Hmm, I used to assume that the Balts probably had a very neglible impact on any modern day German or even many Germans from Poland, but I am reconsidering. I remember you helping me work out some things with my father's ancestry before and he indeed seemed to have a little Baltic.

East Prussians are heavily Baltic, but most of Germans from Poland not.