Moldovan/Romanian GEDmatch Resuts

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Originally Posted by Seya

He’s not. After my dna test is what i thought but no. My mother’s father has origins from there most probably aromanian.

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I already asked you about his Dodecad results. I have yours and you are 3+% Mongoloid. I'd like to see his.
Since I'm neither Romanian, nor from the Balkans, I don't have any bad agenda.

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Originally Posted by Seya

family background village

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Name?

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Originally Posted by Aspirin

Name?

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i'll send you in private

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Originally Posted by Leto

I already asked you about his Dodecad results. I have yours and you are 3+% Mongoloid. I'd like to see his.
Since I'm neither Romanian, nor from the Balkans, I don't have any bad agenda.

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Population
Gedrosia 4.08 Pct
Siberian 0.40 Pct
Northwest_African 1.21 Pct
Southeast_Asian 1.40 Pct
Atlantic_Med 25.24 Pct
North_European 36.13 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 6.97 Pct
East_Asian 0.08 Pct
Caucasus 24.48 Pct
Sub_Saharan

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Originally Posted by Est.1992

Who said they are representative for Moldovans as a whole?

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You said they are representative for Southern Moldova did you?
Even for only a part of Moldova we can't they are representative because these guys are pretty different from any Moldovans we have seen so far...
Plus southern plotting doesn't mean much unless you define what that means?
I've seen results of some Vlachian Romanians however and many have some extra west Asian which pulls them as you say 'south'.

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Originally Posted by Seya

Population
Gedrosia 4.08 Pct
Siberian 0.40 Pct
Northwest_African 1.21 Pct
Southeast_Asian 1.40 Pct
Atlantic_Med 25.24 Pct
North_European 36.13 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 6.97 Pct
East_Asian 0.08 Pct
Caucasus 24.48 Pct
Sub_Saharan

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Thank you.
He scores barely two percent. Maybe a different chip, who knows. Or just random recombination and inheritance.

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Originally Posted by Leto

Thank you.
He scores barely two percent. Maybe a different chip, who knows. Or just random recombination and inheritance.

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yes, he has less than i do. much less

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Originally Posted by *****

You said they are representative for Southern Moldova did you?
Even for only a part of Moldova we can't they are representative because these guys are pretty different from any Moldovans we have seen so far...
Plus southern plotting doesn't mean much unless you define what that means?
I've seen results of some Vlachian Romanians however and many have some extra west Asian which pulls them as you say 'south'.

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Which southern Moldovans did you see? Seya father plots similiary it seems and Fellow's gf who is southern Moldovan isn't much northern shifted either.

IncelSlayer is from Galati, but it's big industrial city, I doubt his ancestry is exactly from there.

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Originally Posted by Est.1992

Which southern Moldovans did you see? Seya father plots similiary it seems and Fellow's gf who is southern Moldovan isn't much northern shifted either.

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'North_European 36.13 Pct'

This result doesn't plot like those 'Moldovans' from G25 I am pretty sure...

I am myself at 28.78 North European on that Dodecad calculator and those G25 Moldovans almost plott the same as me.
Plus Seya seems to doesn't know what exactly her father is judging by the conversation... Also she said that he has some Aromanian ancestry no?
As for the other person, I haven't seen her results. If you're kind to show them?

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

Da, dar daca persoana e din Romania, atunci probabil ca e amestecata. La noi familiile ucrainizate nu indica neaparat geneflow recent. Pe timpul Imperiului Rus si a Uniunii Sovietice, in unele locuri familiile autohtone erau sistematic slavicizate.

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exact - in Romania nu a existat ucrainizare a numelor (cine sa le ucrainizeze, nu a fost niciodata teritoriul sub administratie ucraineana, din contra, sint constant rominizate), asa ca numele de familie ucrainiene indica descendenta din satele de ruteni si hutuli din nordul Moldovei

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Originally Posted by *****

'North_European 36.13 Pct'

This result doesn't plot like those 'Moldovans' from G25 I am pretty sure...

I am myself at 28.78 North European on that Dodecad calculator and those G25 Moldovans almost plott the same as me.
Plus Seya seems to doesn't know what exactly her father is judging by the conversation... Also she said that he has some Aromanian ancestry no?
As for the other person, I haven't seen her results. If you're kind to show them?

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i have aromanian from my mom side. i didn't know they get dobrogea regions on 23andme. i thought they would get northern greece or something. that's why i imagined it was from my father side. but it's not.

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Originally Posted by *****

'North_European 36.13 Pct'

This result doesn't plot like those 'Moldovans' from G25 I am pretty sure...

I am myself at 28.78 North European on that Dodecad calculator and those G25 Moldovans almost plott the same as me.
Plus Seya seems to doesn't know what exactly her father is judging by the conversation... Also she said that he has some Aromanian ancestry no?
As for the other person, I haven't seen her results. If you're kind to show them?

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Originally Posted by WeirdLookingFellow

Fellow,28.06,24.76,17.53,6.52,18.76,0,0.10,0,1.37, 1.36,0.22,0,1.32
FellowGF,23.23,26.67,18.62,9.95,18.12,0,0,0.36,1.4 1,0.91,0.45,0.18,0.10

Gf is fully from Galati/Vaslui region. I'm 1/2 Iasi, 1/4 Suceava, 1/4 Vaslui.

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Not sure is Vaslui southern Molodva though.

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Originally Posted by Nurzat

exact - in Romania nu a existat ucrainizare a numelor (cine sa le ucrainizeze, nu a fost niciodata teritoriul sub administratie ucraineana, din contra, sint constant rominizate), asa ca numele de familie ucrainiene indica descendenta din satele de ruteni si hutuli din nordul Moldovei

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Persoana dată are familie ucrainizată. Sînt o sumedenie de aşa familii în zona de nord, mai ales că ele practic nu există în Ucraina.

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Originally Posted by Est.1992

Not sure is Vaslui southern Molodva though.

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Vaslui is center moldova

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Originally Posted by Seya

Vaslui is center moldova

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So it seems she is only half southern Moldovan, and already pretty southern shifted. Therefore I don't see why full southern Molodvan wouldn't plot like those RM samples from Ștefan Vodă.

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Originally Posted by Est.1992

So it seems she is only half southern Moldovan, and already pretty southern shifted. So I don't see why full southern Molodvan wouldn't plot like those RM samples from Ștefan Vodă.

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yes, as WeirdLookingFellow said, she plots right over the romanian dot on K15 map.

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Originally Posted by Aspirin

Persoana dată are familie ucrainizată. Sînt o sumedenie de aşa familii în zona de nord, mai ales că ele practic nu există în Ucraina.

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eu ziceam altceva - daca la voi e normal, pt ca ati avut administratie rusa, in Romania nu a existat niciodata o politica de ucrainizare a numelor, adica cele ucrainiene sint pur si simplu pt ca persoana are o mai apropiata sau mai departata origine ruteana sau hutula (judetele Maramures, Suceava si putin Botosani). la voi inteleg ca e normal, ca s-au pus terminatii -iuc si -ov asa la nume moldovenesti, aici nu s-a intimplat insa

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Originally Posted by *****

You said they are representative for Southern Moldova did you?
Even for only a part of Moldova we can't they are representative because these guys are pretty different from any Moldovans we have seen so far...
Plus southern plotting doesn't mean much unless you define what that means?
I've seen results of some Vlachian Romanians however and many have some extra west Asian which pulls them as you say 'south'.

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Dude, perhaps you haven't looked at what has been posted here. You can't just ignore all the samples posted here.
We have breakdowns by district and those Moldovans are pretty typical for the South. Cahul Moldovans (also South) are similar to those from G25. My mom is 1/2 Southern (Cahul) and 1/2 Ukrainian. Her Moldovan/Romanian part seems to coincide with theirs.

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Originally Posted by *****

That's pretty inaccurate imho.
There were plenty of Moldovans posted on these forums and none of them was anything similar to the 'Moldovans' on G25. Many were posted in Ph2ter's plotting threads and again no such Moldovans.
We don't know exactly what kind of Moldovans these guys are...
Just because they were used in academic study doesn't mean that these studies are hundred percent accurate. There is even a 'Macedonian3' sample in G25 from a study and that guy is not really a Macedonian but Bosniak. There are many Bosniaks in Macedonia and they are pretty much integrated in the country.
Furthermore you can't take samples from a single village in Moldova as representative and average for all ethnic Moldovans.
That would be the same if we collect samples from South-Eastern Bulgarians who live close to Black Sea and take that as an average.
I have few samples from those Bulgarians and all of them end up in the Greek cluster, however that's not the Bulgarian average...

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There is a big difference here.
Your situation with the Macedonians not being accurate is similar to those of the old Moldavians (p2hter also used them because they are from Eurogenes). Davidski himself deleted them and messaged me that they are not representative, as he found that they are mixed with Russians. The G25 Moldovans on the other hand are collected by the Reich laboratory. Those are fully verified and handpicked as opposed to the unverified Macedonians and old Moldavians. For example, all the G25 Moldovans are recorded in the Reich lab, while your Macedonians are not on that list. Hence, I'm not surprised that their data is dubious.

https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/downlo...blished-papers

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Originally Posted by Aspirin

Persoana dată are familie ucrainizată. Sînt o sumedenie de aşa familii în zona de nord, mai ales că ele practic nu există în Ucraina.

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Noi vorbim despre o persoana din Botosani. Face zero sens sa ai familie ucrainizata fara geneflow ucrainean in Romania. In R. Moldova e mai complicat si cum am spus, nu indica neaparat o amestecare.

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Originally Posted by Est.1992

Therefore I don't see why full southern Molodvan wouldn't plot like those RM samples from Ștefan Vodă.

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Because historically is basically impossible for people from that village from Ștefan Vodă to have such result. People from that village live in a former Tatar territory, and they migrated in that area from more northern parts. They phenotipically don't differer from other Moldavians who live much more north, except some local minor exotism.

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Originally Posted by Aspirin

Because historically is basically impossible for people from that village from Ștefan Vodă to have such result. People from that village live in a former Tatar territory, and they migrated in that area from more northern parts. They phenotipically don't differer from other Moldavians who live much more north, except some local minor exotism.

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So David Reich is cooking his data now?

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Originally Posted by Aspirin

Because historically is basically impossible for people from that village from Ștefan Vodă to have such result. People from that village live in a former Tatar territory, and they migrated in that area from more northern parts. They phenotipically don't differer from other Moldavians who live much more north, except some local minor exotism.

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Let's not forget that you classified me phenotypically as, I quote, "Dinaro-Med Balkan look", when my ancestry is 2/4 Central, 1/4 Southern and 1/4 Ukrainian.
So you have at least one example that the phenotype doesn't necessarily match the genotype.

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

So David Reich is cooking his data now?

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You can believe what you want, I don't believe, technically people from that village need too look very southern, not so far from Greeks, but they are the opposite.

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Originally Posted by Aspirin

You can believe what you want, I don't believe, technically people from that village need too look very southern, not so far from Greeks, but they are the opposite.

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You know, for all the people that I've posted in this thread, I have their photos too, so perhaps do your research too and then you will learn for yourself that phenotypes are quite distant from genotypes. They are too ambiguous to try and predict someone's autosomal breakdown.

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

Let's not forget that you classified me phenotypically as, I quote, "Dinaro-Med Balkan look", when my ancestry is 2/4 Central, 1/4 Southern and 1/4 Ukrainian.
So you have at least one example that the phenotype doesn't necessarily match the genotype.

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This is individually, is different than an entire group look like this.

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Originally Posted by Aspirin

Because historically is basically impossible for people from that village from Ștefan Vodă to have such result. People from that village live in a former Tatar territory, and they migrated in that area from more northern parts. They phenotipically don't differer from other Moldavians who live much more north, except some local minor exotism.

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Bulgarians look closer to Moldovans than to Greeks, at least in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

You know, for all the people that I've posted in this thread, I have their photos too, so perhaps do your research too and then you will learn for yourself that phenotypes are quite distant from genotypes. They are too ambiguous to try and predict someone's autosomal breakdown.

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Phenotype is always close to your genotype, what you say is mostly on an individual level.

two Moldovan guys having a conversation in good English - no one in Bucharest would believe it. one, because why would Moldovans speak to each other other then in Russian or they gibberish Moldovan dialect? then, in English?! lol, yeah, sure xD

because one of the ideas that Romanians have of Moldovans is that the Moldovan youth speaks no English. I don't know where this stereotype comes from. there's a lot of Moldovans working corporate jobs in Romania, I assume they must speak good English to be hired.

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

You know, for all the people that I've posted in this thread, I have their photos too, so perhaps do your research too and then you will learn for yourself that phenotypes are quite distant from genotypes. They are too ambiguous to try and predict someone's autosomal breakdown.

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Do you have the Gypsy woman's photo? And her mixed children. What do they look like?

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Originally Posted by Est.1992

Bulgarians look closer to Moldovans than to Greeks, at least in my opinion.

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Only some of them.

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Originally Posted by Leto

Do you have the Gypsy woman's photo? And her mixed children. What do they look like?

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u little perv xD

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Originally Posted by Aspirin

This is individually, is different than an entire group look like this.

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If you were to go on Anthrogenica, there is a clear record on there in the Romanian thread that I'm maintaining, that I was the first one to question the authenticity of the Stefan Voda samples. At that time I made the claim that they are probably Gagauz. But after a while Reich released their exact location and name of the village and it is clear on casata that the place is fully Moldovan/Romanian. I personally don't have a strong counterargument against his data. The samples that I posted from Cahul, one from Ungheni and one with the surname Popa are probably pretty similar to them. There is also another one who is shifted to the South in a similar manner, which I will share in the next update, surname Pindus. It is non-existent in Romania, but it has 21 families in Chisinau. It is not found primarily in the city though, but the villages around it.

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Originally Posted by Nurzat

u little perv xD

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Come on, I wanna as many genetic Tziganes as possible. They remain a mystery to me. Brown like fuck but autosomally only 1/3 Indian supposedly. As long as I haven't seen enough photographic materials together with DNA results, I cannot be sure.

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Originally Posted by Leto

Come on, I wanna as many genetic Tziganes as possible. They remain a mystery to me. Brown like fuck but autosomally only 1/3 Indian supposedly. As long as I haven't seen enough photographic materials together with DNA results, I cannot be sure.

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We will have plenty of them in the Wallachian thread. I expect you to be a regular there.

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Originally Posted by Leto

Come on, I wanna as many genetic Tziganes as possible. They remain a mystery to me. Brown like fuck but autosomally only 1/3 Indian supposedly. As long as I haven't seen enough photographic materials together with DNA results, I cannot be sure.

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South Balkanites are enough swarthy already, add to that Kurdish-like and low caste Indian-like input and you got average Gypsy.
Their DNA matches their looks very well.

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

We will have plenty of them in the Wallachian thread. I expect you to be a regular there.

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You have genetic Roma with both photos and results?

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Originally Posted by Leto

You have genetic Roma with both photos and results?

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I obviously won't post the photos, but yes. You can PM me for the kits and google yourself.

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

There is also another one who is shifted to the South in a similar manner, which I will share in the next update, surname Pindus. It is non-existent in Romania, but it has 21 families in Chisinau. It is not found primarily in the city though, but the villages around it.

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This surname exist in Transylvania. From Moldova is imposible.

In this village this surname is most frequent, and is very mixed with Ukrainains/Russians. Plus the surname sounds very non-local, this is the reason why he is so rare.

https://localitati.casata.md/index.p...litate&id=3154

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Originally Posted by Aspirin

This surname exist in Transylvania. From Moldova is imposible.

In this village this surname is most frequent, and is very mixed with Ukrainains/Russians.

https://localitati.casata.md/index.p...litate&id=3154

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Would a Transylvanian also have his email on list.ru?
This surname is most popular in Ukraine, according to forebears.io, the guy has an email on a Russian domain, but a very obvious Romanian/Moldovan name. Hence, moldovan din talpa.