So genetics are almost identical to geography.
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K13 PCA from ph2ter on all Macedonian kits and results.
https://i.imgur.com/3id53KY.png
K13 PCA + Greeks.
https://i.imgur.com/QkJ59EQ.jpg
Are Romanians, clustering with Macedonians and Bulgarians from Thrace, Vlachs?
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Another interesting thing is that except Plashiputak no Bulgarian is in the big Macedonian cluster, 2/3 are north and 1/3 are slightly south.
In Bulgarians, having higher North Atlantic than Baltic is an exception, while in Macedonians it is rather the norm. Macedonians almost always have higher West and East Med. Bulgarians usually have higher West Asian. It is all relative, as Bulgarians have bigger genetic diversity. As you can see, some plot with Serbs while some near Greeks. There is no tight Bulgarian cluster like there is Macedonian.
Macedonian kit from Stip(East part) - HT3882691
puntDNAL K13 - Because have Macedonian reference.Code:Population
North_Atlantic 19.26 Pct
Baltic 23.57 Pct
West_Med 21.08 Pct
West_Asian 12.68 Pct
East_Med 20.06 Pct
Red_Sea 1.89 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.17 Pct
Siberian 1.10 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.20 Pct
Code:Using 1 population approximation:
1 Macedonian @ 3.644688
2 Bulgarian @ 3.705733
3 Montenegrin @ 4.687677
4 Romanian @ 4.919025
5 Kosovar @ 6.907443
6 Serbian @ 7.018016
7 Albanian @ 7.701441
8 Greek_Thessaly @ 8.552234
9 Italian_Tuscan @ 9.063791
10 Bosnian @ 10.787857
11 Italian_Bergamo @ 11.430832
12 Croatian @ 12.913329
13 Moldavian @ 12.990457
14 Greek_Central @ 13.718620
15 Italian_Abruzzo @ 14.814052
16 French @ 15.216401
17 Hungarian @ 15.744635
18 Spaniard @ 15.987313
19 Slovene @ 16.319752
20 German_South @ 16.487574
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Ashkenazy_Jew +50% Slovak @ 2.862981
Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Albanian +25% Italian_Abruzzo +25% Mordovian @ 1.238849
Using 4 populations approximation:
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1 Finnish + French_Basque + Italian_Abruzzo + Turkish_Trabzon @ 1.219619
2 Albanian + Albanian + Italian_Abruzzo + Mordovian @ 1.238849
3 Albanian + Greek_Thessaly + Italian_Abruzzo + Mordovian @ 1.247161
4 Ashkenazy_Jew + Italian_Tuscan + Kosovar + Mordovian @ 1.273182
5 Greek_Central + Greek_Central + Italian_Bergamo + Mordovian @ 1.312055
6 Albanian + Ashkenazy_Jew + Italian_Tuscan + Mordovian @ 1.349188
7 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Italian_Abruzzo + Mordovian @ 1.352098
8 Assyrian + French_Basque + Macedonian + Mordovian @ 1.380563
9 Albanian + Italian_Abruzzo + Kosovar + Mordovian @ 1.447578
10 Greek_Thessaly + Italian_Abruzzo + Kosovar + Mordovian @ 1.466291
11 Albanian + Greek_Central + Italian_Tuscan + Mordovian @ 1.469007
12 Bulgarian + Italian_Abruzzo + Italian_Abruzzo + Mordovian @ 1.476412
13 Ashkenazy_Jew + Greek_Thessaly + Italian_Tuscan + Mordovian @ 1.478964
14 Cypriot + Italian_Bergamo + Mordovian + Serbian @ 1.485814
15 Italian_Sicilian + Italian_Tuscan + Kosovar + Mordovian @ 1.486889
16 Greek_Central + Greek_Thessaly + Italian_Tuscan + Mordovian @ 1.487451
17 Italian_Abruzzo + Italian_Abruzzo + Macedonian + Mordovian @ 1.488721
18 Greek_Thessaly + Italian_Abruzzo + Italian_Tuscan + Mordovian @ 1.503178
19 Cypriot + French + Greek_Thessaly + Mordovian @ 1.532500
20 Italian_Tuscan + Mordovian + Spaniard + Turkish_Kayseri @ 1.535304
New Macedonian Kit from Tetovo(Northwest) - H130030.
Code:Population
North_Atlantic 23.21 Pct
Baltic 23.67 Pct
West_Med 19.11 Pct
West_Asian 10.68 Pct
East_Med 18.68 Pct
Red_Sea 2.14 Pct
South_Asian 0.58 Pct
East_Asian 0.47 Pct
Siberian 1.46 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
New Macedonian kit from Vratnica - North WX2259700.
Code:Population
North_Atlantic 20.69 Pct
Baltic 22.74 Pct
West_Med 19.55 Pct
West_Asian 8.65 Pct
East_Med 25.35 Pct
Red_Sea 0.91 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.90 Pct
Amerindian 0.67 Pct
Oceanian 0.30 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.24 Pct
puntDNAL k13Code:Using 1 population approximation:
1 Bulgarian @ 6.718307
2 Greek_Thessaly @ 8.120649
3 Romanian @ 9.214750
4 Serbian @ 13.203517
5 Tuscan @ 15.330303
6 Central_Greek @ 15.833022
7 Italian_Abruzzo @ 16.227892
8 West_Sicilian @ 16.603750
9 East_Sicilian @ 16.981371
10 Ashkenazi @ 17.480944
11 North_Italian @ 17.815399
12 Moldavian @ 19.444246
13 South_Italian @ 20.266491
14 Hungarian @ 22.224051
15 Croatian @ 22.397686
16 Algerian_Jewish @ 25.332230
17 Italian_Jewish @ 25.401142
18 Austrian @ 25.413536
19 Portuguese @ 25.675789
20 Sephardic_Jewish @ 26.125784
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian +50% Greek_Thessaly @ 5.360181
Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Ashkenazi +25% Bulgarian +25% Ukrainian @ 4.590045
Using 4 populations approximation:
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1 Ashkenazi + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Ukrainian @ 4.574051
2 Ashkenazi + Ashkenazi + Bulgarian + Ukrainian @ 4.590045
3 Bulgarian + Greek_Thessaly + Italian_Jewish + Ukrainian @ 4.634157
4 Estonian_Polish + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Italian_Jewish @ 4.634172
5 Belorussian + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Italian_Jewish @ 4.681131
6 Ashkenazi + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + South_Polish @ 4.757778
7 Ashkenazi + Ashkenazi + Bulgarian + South_Polish @ 4.771143
8 Ashkenazi + Bulgarian + Bulgarian + Bulgarian @ 4.780813
9 Algerian_Jewish + Bulgarian + Greek_Thessaly + Ukrainian @ 4.786623
10 Algerian_Jewish + Belorussian + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly @ 4.788596
11 Ashkenazi + Bulgarian + Estonian_Polish + Italian_Jewish @ 4.811113
12 Ashkenazi + Bulgarian + Croatian + Greek_Thessaly @ 4.813096
13 Ashkenazi + Bulgarian + Italian_Jewish + Ukrainian @ 4.818008
14 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Italian_Jewish + Southwest_Russian @ 4.822585
15 Ashkenazi + Bulgarian + South_Italian + Ukrainian @ 4.827875
16 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Italian_Jewish + Lithuanian @ 4.832442
17 Algerian_Jewish + Estonian_Polish + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly @ 4.833867
18 Ashkenazi + Bulgarian + Ukrainian + West_Sicilian @ 4.856512
19 Ashkenazi + Estonian_Polish + Greek_Thessaly + West_Sicilian @ 4.861985
20 Ashkenazi + Ashkenazi + Romanian + Ukrainian @ 4.868021
Eurogenes K15Code:Using 1 population approximation:
1 Bulgarian @ 5.395772
2 Albanian @ 7.393777
3 Greek @ 7.472715
4 Tuscan @ 10.968935
5 Italian_North @ 11.478874
6 Italian_South @ 11.994309
7 French @ 13.768091
8 Croatian @ 13.887093
9 Hungarian @ 14.323102
10 Ashkenazi_Jew @ 14.832452
11 German_South @ 15.012466
12 Utahn_white @ 16.645319
13 Irish @ 16.836336
14 Sicilian @ 17.248894
15 English_South @ 18.462242
16 Spanish_Southwest @ 18.991674
17 Spanish_Northeast @ 19.206400
18 Turkish_Aydin @ 19.488287
19 German_North @ 19.661905
20 Czech @ 20.341438
Code:Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 5.66
2 Greek 5.99
3 Romanian 8.25
4 Greek_Thessaly 8.57
5 Serbian 11.27
6 Tuscan 11.54
7 Italian_Abruzzo 11.73
8 Central_Greek 12.28
9 West_Sicilian 12.33
10 Ashkenazi 12.82
11 East_Sicilian 13.25
12 North_Italian 14.22
13 South_Italian 15.09
14 Moldavian 16.32
15 Austrian 17.17
16 Croatian 17.44
17 Hungarian 18.39
18 Italian_Jewish 18.94
19 Sephardic_Jewish 19.39
20 Algerian_Jewish 19.74
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 84% Greek + 16% Belorussian @ 2.72
2 85.4% Greek + 14.6% Estonian @ 2.76
3 84.2% Greek + 15.8% Estonian_Polish @ 2.82
4 83.2% Greek + 16.8% Polish @ 2.82
5 83.1% Greek + 16.9% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.85
6 85.7% Greek + 14.3% Lithuanian @ 2.85
7 83.6% Greek + 16.4% Southwest_Russian @ 2.99
8 82.2% Greek + 17.8% South_Polish @ 3.07
9 84.8% Greek + 15.2% Southwest_Finnish @ 3.1
10 76.8% Greek + 23.2% Austrian @ 3.12
11 83.6% Greek + 16.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 3.17
12 85.3% Greek + 14.7% Finnish @ 3.21
13 77.3% Greek + 22.7% Croatian @ 3.23
14 85.2% Greek + 14.8% Kargopol_Russian @ 3.23
15 85.6% Greek + 14.4% East_Finnish @ 3.24
16 82.9% Greek + 17.1% Ukrainian @ 3.26
17 85.8% Greek + 14.2% La_Brana-1 @ 3.31
18 82.6% Greek + 17.4% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.39
19 78.7% Greek + 21.3% Hungarian @ 3.47
20 86.3% Greek + 13.7% Erzya @ 3.57
(North - Vratnica)
https://i.imgur.com/QX9blPE.jpg
This kit i posted on first post but without region info.
Macedonian from West , but his family are Macedonians from Albania (Peskopeja) - T973440 .
Code:Population -
North_Atlantic 18.21 Pct
Baltic 23.00 Pct
West_Med 22.25 Pct
West_Asian 10.02 Pct
East_Med 23.18 Pct
Red_Sea 2.53 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.81 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
puntDNAL K13Code:Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 6.04
2 Greek_Thessaly 6.94
3 Romanian 8.63
4 Serbian 12.27
5 Central_Greek 13.5
6 Tuscan 14.19
7 Italian_Abruzzo 14.63
8 East_Sicilian 14.69
9 West_Sicilian 14.97
10 Ashkenazi 16.04
11 North_Italian 16.12
12 Moldavian 16.85
13 South_Italian 17.66
14 Croatian 19.7
15 Hungarian 20.41
16 Algerian_Jewish 22.3
17 Italian_Jewish 22.79
18 Austrian 22.96
19 Portuguese 23.12
20 Sephardic_Jewish 23.34
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 89.1% Bulgarian + 10.9% Sardinian @ 4.4
2 83.4% Greek_Thessaly + 16.6% Ukrainian @ 4.46
3 87.5% Greek_Thessaly + 12.5% Lithuanian @ 4.48
4 85.8% Greek_Thessaly + 14.2% Estonian_Polish @ 4.49
5 84.9% Greek_Thessaly + 15.1% Southwest_Russian @ 4.55
6 84.7% Bulgarian + 15.3% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.58
7 85.9% Greek_Thessaly + 14.1% Russian_Smolensk @ 4.59
8 57% Bulgarian + 43% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.6
9 85.2% Greek_Thessaly + 14.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 4.62
10 86.3% Greek_Thessaly + 13.7% Belorussian @ 4.62
11 86.8% Greek_Thessaly + 13.2% Erzya @ 4.62
12 83.2% Greek_Thessaly + 16.8% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.67
13 78.9% Greek_Thessaly + 21.1% Croatian @ 4.69
14 76% Greek_Thessaly + 24% Moldavian @ 4.71
15 85.5% Greek_Thessaly + 14.5% Polish @ 4.72
16 86.8% Greek_Thessaly + 13.2% Kargopol_Russian @ 4.75
17 84.2% Greek_Thessaly + 15.8% South_Polish @ 4.83
18 88.2% Greek_Thessaly + 11.8% Estonian @ 4.87
19 81.1% Bulgarian + 18.9% Ashkenazi @ 4.89
20 86.4% Bulgarian + 13.6% Italian_Jewish @ 4.91
Code:Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Kosovar 3.22
2 Albanian 3.79
3 Macedonian 3.93
4 Italian_Tuscan 4.34
5 Bulgarian 4.39
6 Greek_Thessaly 4.6
7 Montenegrin 6.94
8 Romanian 7.27
9 Italian_Bergamo 8.01
10 Serbian 9.12
11 Greek_Central 9.94
12 Italian_Abruzzo 10.09
13 Bosnian 12.92
14 Spaniard 13.26
15 Ashkenazy_Jew 14.43
16 Croatian 14.5
17 French 15.09
18 Moldavian 15.33
19 Italian_Sicilian 15.56
20 German_South 17.21
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 57.8% Ashkenazy_Jew + 42.2% English @ 1.5
2 59.6% Ashkenazy_Jew + 40.4% Orcadian @ 1.55
3 54.4% Ashkenazy_Jew + 45.6% German_South @ 1.55
4 60% Ashkenazy_Jew + 40% Irish @ 1.61
5 58.9% Ashkenazy_Jew + 41.1% Scottish @ 1.64
6 60.5% Greek_Central + 39.5% French @ 1.68
7 72.8% Italian_Abruzzo + 27.2% Norwegian @ 1.69
8 69.9% Italian_Abruzzo + 30.1% German_North @ 1.7
9 74.2% Italian_Abruzzo + 25.8% Swedish @ 1.72
10 63.3% Italian_Abruzzo + 36.7% Hungarian @ 1.72
11 59.2% Italian_Abruzzo + 40.8% Croatian @ 1.76
12 60.4% Ashkenazy_Jew + 39.6% Utahn_European @ 1.78
13 52.6% Serbian + 47.4% Italian_Abruzzo @ 1.78
14 55.4% Ashkenazy_Jew + 44.6% Belgian @ 1.79
15 74% Macedonian + 26% Italian_Abruzzo @ 1.79
16 64.4% Italian_Abruzzo + 35.6% Slovene @ 1.82
17 55.9% Italian_Sicilian + 44.1% English @ 1.82
18 64.6% Greek_Central + 35.4% Belgian @ 1.83
19 58.2% Italian_Sicilian + 41.8% Irish @ 1.84
20 60.8% Belgian + 39.2% Cypriot
I see, your results are similar to Macedonian, only slightly northern than average (a bit higher North Atlantic and a bit lower West Med).
My family lines are from Kostur and Ser that moved to Plovdiv after the population exchange. I'm doing my test after the situation with covid-19 normalizes, what I expect are results similar to the Macedonians, but who knows.
This is better pic from K13 PCA , im waiting for Ghegs,Kosovars,Macedonia-Albanians, if there is any :D
https://i.imgur.com/kFH2wWQ.jpg
Macedonian kit from Australia - H602549
Code:Population
North_Atlantic 26.57 Pct
Baltic 17.40 Pct
West_Med 19.09 Pct
West_Asian 10.32 Pct
East_Med 19.86 Pct
Red_Sea 4.94 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 1.08 Pct
Oceanian 0.75 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
Code:# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 7.63
2 Bulgarian 8
3 Greek_Thessaly 8.47
4 Tuscan 9.02
5 North_Italian 9.72
6 Serbian 10.38
7 Italian_Abruzzo 11.65
8 West_Sicilian 13.01
9 Central_Greek 14.11
10 East_Sicilian 14.97
11 Portuguese 15.67
12 Spanish_Extremadura 16.36
13 Spanish_Galicia 16.59
14 French 16.94
15 Moldavian 17.34
16 Ashkenazi 17.36
17 Hungarian 17.55
18 Spanish_Murcia 17.56
19 Spanish_Cataluna 17.57
20 South_Italian 17.61
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 77.2% Greek_Thessaly + 22.8% Southwest_English @ 2.19
2 51.2% South_Italian + 48.8% Austrian @ 2.22
3 78.3% Greek_Thessaly + 21.7% West_Scottish @ 2.22
4 78% Greek_Thessaly + 22% Irish @ 2.25
5 71.3% Greek_Thessaly + 28.7% South_Dutch @ 2.34
6 55.4% East_Sicilian + 44.6% Austrian @ 2.35
7 54.3% South_Italian + 45.7% East_German @ 2.36
8 77.6% Greek_Thessaly + 22.4% Orcadian @ 2.39
9 76.3% Greek_Thessaly + 23.7% Southeast_English @ 2.44
10 69.9% Greek_Thessaly + 30.1% West_German @ 2.44
11 67.4% Greek_Thessaly + 32.6% French @ 2.45
12 77.4% Greek_Thessaly + 22.6% North_Dutch @ 2.49
13 59% West_Sicilian + 41% Austrian @ 2.58
14 57.7% West_Sicilian + 42.3% Hungarian @ 2.59
15 53.8% Tuscan + 46.2% Serbian @ 2.61
16 64.6% Italian_Abruzzo + 35.4% East_German @ 2.61
17 62% West_Sicilian + 38% East_German @ 2.66
18 58.5% East_Sicilian + 41.5% East_German @ 2.66
19 54.7% Romanian + 45.3% Tuscan @ 2.68
20 78.3% Tuscan + 21.7% Ukrainian_Belgorod
Macedonian from West part - Kicevo - T130034
K13 Eurogenes
Code:Population
North_Atlantic 24.32 Pct
Baltic 19.78 Pct
West_Med 19.27 Pct
West_Asian 11.46 Pct
East_Med 21.06 Pct
Red_Sea 2.55 Pct
South_Asian 0.31 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 1.25 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
K15 Eurogenes
Code:# Population Percent
1 East_Med 18.95
2 North_Sea 16.34
3 Atlantic 16.21
4 West_Med 15.58
5 Baltic 13.92
6 West_Asian 10.9
7 Eastern_Euro 5
8 Red_Sea 2.09
9 Oceanian 1.02
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 6.06
2 Greek_Thessaly 6.44
3 Romanian 6.99
4 Greek 8.26
5 Tuscan 9.24
6 Serbian 10.04
7 Italian_Abruzzo 11.02
8 North_Italian 11.3
9 Central_Greek 12.1
10 West_Sicilian 12.75
11 East_Sicilian 12.95
12 Ashkenazi 13.26
13 South_Italian 15.19
14 Moldavian 15.57
15 Austrian 16.3
16 Hungarian 16.41
17 Croatian 17.1
18 Portuguese 17.16
19 Spanish_Galicia 17.28
20 Spanish_Extremadura 17.83
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 52% South_Italian + 48% Hungarian @ 3.04
2 78.8% Greek + 21.2% Swedish @ 3.19
3 74.1% Greek_Thessaly + 25.9% Austrian @ 3.21
4 72.8% Greek + 27.2% West_German @ 3.29
5 80.1% Greek + 19.9% West_Norwegian @ 3.36
6 81.6% Greek_Thessaly + 18.4% North_German @ 3.37
7 79.2% Greek + 20.8% Norwegian @ 3.43
8 83.7% Greek_Thessaly + 16.3% Irish @ 3.5
9 58.1% Central_Greek + 41.9% Hungarian @ 3.51
10 78.4% Greek_Thessaly + 21.6% East_German @ 3.54
11 78.4% Greek + 21.6% North_Dutch @ 3.54
12 79.3% Greek_Thessaly + 20.7% South_Dutch @ 3.59
13 83.1% Greek_Thessaly + 16.9% Southeast_English @ 3.6
14 57% South_Italian + 43% East_German @ 3.6
15 84.3% Greek_Thessaly + 15.7% West_Scottish @ 3.63
16 83.7% Greek_Thessaly + 16.3% North_Dutch @ 3.67
17 83.7% Greek_Thessaly + 16.3% Danish @ 3.69
18 62.9% Central_Greek + 37.1% East_German @ 3.71
19 82.9% Greek_Thessaly + 17.1% Southwest_English @ 3.72
20 64% Bulgarian + 36% Tuscan @ 3.79
K15 PCA
https://i.imgur.com/Kwj1DPD.jpg
Edit : This guy is from West part - Kicevo.
Toa mnogu me interesira. Tatko mi lezhi pojke so drugite Makedonci. Jas sum malce na strana.
Majka mi mora da ima nekakva Vlashka poteklo ili neshto slicno.
Eve se razlikite po megju mene i tatko mi spored lm genetics:
Tatko mi:
https://i.ibb.co/tpNkzvs/gene-map-2.png
Mene:
https://i.ibb.co/wMv0G7D/gene-map1.png
K13 with more Bulgarians , only few clustering with Macedonians ,they more clustering with East and South Serbs?
https://i.imgur.com/XeC6hjZ.png
I see more clustering with Wallachian Romanians, which is typical for Bulgarians. Those who cluster with Southern Serbs are usually from Vidin-Pleven-Dupnitsa triangle.
Another Bulgarian, typical results, slightly elevated East Asian.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...dmatch-results