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Yes, Szekelys and Csangos can score around 7%. I was referring to Romanians, since such cases are not known to me. You must be confusing something and are probably referring to this post, where I have posted Csangos (ethnic Hungarians from Moldavia region in Romania). Nowadays, most of them identify as Romanian Catholics, but at their origin they are Hungarian and had a partially different ethnogenesis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abriekman
Possibly but I have yet to see extensive studies and comparisons between both.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abriekman
There was a thread in this forum where Hungarians were posting highest Turkic scores from one of the calculators as I recall the highest score in the end was from a Romanian member, maybe that is what prompted my earlier question.
Szekelys have significant German admixture that sets that apart from Romanians and their German input is on average higher than that in Hungarians from east and northeastern Hungary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abriekman
They also have significant Germanic ydna.
What makes them different from Hungarians proper apart from higher mongoloid is the fact they have significantly less Slavic and more Paleo Balkan admixture than them.
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Target: doma
Distance: 1.4026% / 1.40262160
62.6 Slavic
19.0 Germanic
15.1 Greco-Roman
3.3 Turkic
From Budapest
I have austrian and swab ancestry
could you post result you get on gedmatch for Eurogenes K13 please?Quote:
Originally Posted by VarangianRUs
Yeap but why?
in admix 4 or 1 population results?
Just post your unsorted components please. I would also personally like to see your and @Gergő Marosvári's Dodecad K12b components (no oracle needed).Quote:
Originally Posted by VarangianRUs
Just unsorted admixture components (north atlantic, baltic etc), so you can be added to the PCA :)Quote:
Originally Posted by VarangianRUs
Population
North_Atlantic 30.55 Pct
Baltic 36.01 Pct
West_Med 12.9 Pct
West_Asian 7.03 Pct
East_Med 6.92 Pct
Red_Sea 1.46 Pct
South_Asian 2.96 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.67 Pct
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.49 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
Okey :)
Population
Gedrosia 7.35 Pct
Siberian 1.34 Pct
Northwest_African 0.36 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 28.58 Pct
North_European 47.12 Pct
South_Asian 1.82 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 3.11 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 10.31 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Dodecad k12b
Thanks! Here is your updated K13. I'll add you to Hungarian members PCA tooQuote:
Originally Posted by VarangianRUs
Distance to: VarangianRus
2.99391049 Slovak
4.06563648 Hungarian_Northern
4.06797247 Czech
4.70409396 Slovenian
4.81001039 Croat_North
5.27316793 Ukrainian_Galicia
5.31089446 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
5.59808896 Hungarian
5.78160012 Hungarian_Alföld
5.81474849 Ukrainian_Carpathian
6.78891007 South_Polish
7.13239090 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
7.19881240 Sorb_Lusatia
7.29408665 Croat
7.48696200 German_East
7.49665259 Croat_East
8.18124685 Moldova_Ukrainian
8.81681915 Croat_West
9.23175498 Csángó-Ceangău
9.68735258 Austrian
9.75039486 Moldova_North
9.84614645 Hungarian_Transylvania
9.91048939 Croat_South
10.08041666 Polish_Masuria
10.46893977 Bosniak
Target: VarangianRus
Distance: 1.2909% / 1.29094397 | ADC: 0.25x RC
70.4 Slovak
14.9 German_East
6.8 Czech
5.2 Tatar
1.7 Dharkar
1.0 Gujarati
Do you really have north_swedish + Russian ancestry? In Hungary it's not common to have those ancestries.Quote:
Originally Posted by VarangianRUs
Can you possibly be distantly Romani? I don't notice much Russian in you. Maybe distant and diluted.Quote:
Originally Posted by VarangianRUs
Here is how you compare to TA members
Distance to: VarangianRus(Hungarian)
3.39760210 Calxpal_grandma(SW_Ukrainian)
3.41172977 Cordedwhelp_mom(American)
4.03068232 Ph2ter(croat)
4.66268163 ph2ter_son(croat)
4.86787428 ph2ter_father(croat)
4.98270007 Ph2ter_wife(croat)
5.04317360 nuti(slovak)
5.26260392 Natalie(Czech)
5.31467779 Madonna_father(rusyn)
5.51355602 Karol_father(slovak)
5.93885511 Viers(hungarian)
6.18269359 RandomGuy20(Australian)
6.33259820 Blanka_husband(hungarian)
6.34580176 Manda(croat)
6.68494577 Kostej(slovak)
6.85647140 Noricum(austrian)
6.92635546 Stearsolina(Croat)
6.95222986 GergőMarosvári(Hungarian)
7.25002069 Karol_friend(Czech)
7.29652657 Stears(Hungarian)
7.34583555 ksha(unknown)
7.36175251 Peterski_Father(Polish)
7.43979166 Hrvoje(croat+slovene)
7.58453690 Videx(hungarian)
7.60645121 Max_soldo(croat)
Thank you !
Yes my Paternal haplo is came from Jamtland and in dna test i get always scandinavian like ancestry i get 3% norwegian and in Myheritage genetic groups i get norway (innhered) . My Russian ancestry is mixed with Ukranian iam 14,6% Ukranian and Russian .
In my 3 Chromosome i have 12,3% balkan_roma which mean iam 0,4 or 0,5 percent Roma
Quote:
Originally Posted by VarangianRUs
I think your problem is that you interpret the commercial test results literally. Just because you get Scandinavian or Slavic doesn't mean you have actual "recent" ancestry from Sweden or Russia. I think you are just a normal full Hungarian. Scandinavians and East Slavs are very uncommon in Hungary, historically close to non-existent.Quote:
Originally Posted by VarangianRUs
0.5% Roma would not be noticeable autosomally. You got like 2% South Asian which may or may not translate to 1/8 or 1/16 Tzigane.
In K36 i get 0 South asian only South_Central_Asian 4.87 Pct
In my familytree my family not full Hungarian .
here is updated PCA with new Magyar users added :)
https://i.imgur.com/K58c2m2.png
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...ogenes-K13-PCA
I AM THAT RUSYN OMFG :eek: :eek: :eek:
What is funny, that i know distant Rusyn ancestry in my family, but i would never thought that i gonna be that Rusyn!!!
Maybe the reason is that i am northern Hungarian and i live quite close to Eastern Slovakia and Western Ukraine?
Population
North_Atlantic 31.21 Pct
Baltic 35.45 Pct
West_Med 12.53 Pct
West_Asian 6.91 Pct
East_Med 6.79 Pct
Red_Sea 1.82 Pct
South_Asian 2.12 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 2.02 Pct
Amerindian 0.33 Pct
Oceanian 0.82 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -
This one is my Friend Result he is also Hungarian name David
Yes. Northeastern Hungarians are on avarage more genetically Slavic (Rusyn/Slovak) than other regions. That's just k13 though, it's one of the many calculators and tools out there. Different calculators can give slightly different results. For example I am pure Eastern Euro on k13, on k15 and k36 I get some German / NW Euro.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gergő Marosvári
Stearsolina, could you compere my percentages to the other Hungarian users? Like you did for VarangianRus?
And also, i'd love to show you my other results from MyHeritage.
Well, it's a bit different compered to the 23andMe... Could you add it to the PCA as Gergő Marosvári (MyHeritage) if it's possible?
Components %
North_Atlantic 28,03
Baltic 36,66
West_Med 13,83
West_Asian 6,10
East_Med 10,72
Red_Sea 0,00
South_Asian 3,18
East_Asian 0,35
Siberian 0,00
Amerindian 0,00
Oceanian 0,02
Northeast_African 0,00
Sub-Saharan 1,10
Do you mind showing me your Dodecad components? I'd like to compare yours to Universe's who got 50 North_European.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gergő Marosvári
Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Components %
Gedrosia 3,00
Siberian 0,00
Northwest_African 2,70
Southeast_Asian 0,00
Atlantic_Med 27,89
North_European 46,67
South_Asian 2,12
East_African 0,00
Southwest_Asian 0,29
East_Asian 0,00
Caucasus 17,27
Sub_Saharan 0,06
Here they are.
And these are my World 9 results:Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Components %
Amerindian 0,00
East_Asian 0,00
African 0,48
Atlantic_Baltic 68,55
Australasian 0,00
Siberian 0,93
Caucasus_Gedrosia 14,34
Southern 13,77
South_Asian 1,92
Using 1 populations approximation
1 100% Hungarians @ 1,905
2 100% Mixed_Germanic_D @ 5,951
3 100% French @ 6,234
4 100% Dutch_D @ 6,530
5 100% German_D @ 7,357
6 100% French_D @ 7,750
7 100% CEU30 @ 7,980
8 100% Ukranians_Y @ 8,368
9 100% Cornwall_1KG @ 8,483
10 100% Kent_1KG @ 8,555
Thanks. World 9 is surprisingly accurate for you whereas K12b is less so. But nobody has attempted to update Hungarian for K12b so far.
On K12b you are literally zero Mongoloid (Siberian, East Asian, Southeast Asian). No Conqueror ancestry for you...
compared to all TA users in databaseQuote:
Originally Posted by Gergő Marosvári
Distance to: GergőMarosvári(Hungarian)
4.44870768 Max_soldo(croat)
4.89381242 Alenka(South-Slav)
6.00872699 Incelslayer(romanian)
6.02183527 Madonna_father(rusyn)
6.14617767 Westcoast(croat)
6.29471207 Vlatko_vukovic(bosniak)
6.48310111 Kostej(slovak)
6.54676256 Manda(croat)
6.83155912 Calxpal_grandma(SW_Ukrainian)
6.95222986 VarangianRus(Hungarian)
7.08863174 Stearsolina(Croat)
7.11726071 Daos777(Khokhol-Moldovan-Polish)
7.15285258 Universe(hungarian)
7.16827036 Vrazijadivizija(Croatian)
7.27025447 un4given(Croat)
7.56887046 Karol_father(slovak)
7.59667691 Abriekman(slav+balkan+jewish)
8.32470420 ph2ter_father(croat)
8.33754760 Viers(hungarian)
8.49187259 Feiichy_Father(croat)
8.51539782 Duan(serb)
8.57960955 nuti(slovak)
8.73369910 Tschaikisten(serb)
8.80121014 Ford(serb)
8.80617965 Cordedwhelp_mom
Target: GergőMarosvári(Hungarian)
Distance: 0.6207% / 0.62074325
25.0 Vrazijadivizija(Croatian)
23.3 Polak(Polish+Ukrainian
18.6 All(silesian)
10.5 Dimadoe(russian)
8.9 dududud_mother(french/sardinian)
4.7 CTPAXOTA(Serb)
3.8 Thambi(Indian_south)
2.8 Lukasz(polish)
2.3 Cumansky(polish/ukrainian)
0.1 Visar(polish)
Your myheritage data is really similar, it won't make much difference IMO.
Btw, is it possible you have some Gypsy in family tree? Your south Asian is very high. Hungarians do get elevated south Asian from steppic admixture, but yours is above 3% which is above what I'd call ancient admixture, so I'm curious what's your take on that?
How do you know that i didn't have any Conqueror ancestry, just because that a calculator doesn't contain any Mongoloid? :)
Only K13 has proper Hungarian averages, meaning based on dozens of samples in regional cases, and hundreds of samples on national case. Also I'm aware other nationalities also have more accurate averages on K13, not that many people cared to update the K15 and K36 averages yet. This is why I mostly focus on K13 Updated results, however as time goes by the other calculators can also be more improved, and hence become more reliable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Universe
I didn't have any Gypsy in my family. It's mystical for me too. But interestingly when it comes to Eurogenes K36, i just have 0,4% South Asian. And out of the three autosomal tests (23andMe, MyHeritage and Family Tree DNA) only the 23andMe gave me Northern Indian and Pakistani but only 0,2% and as a trace.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stearsolina
K15 has fundamental flaw which can't be improved with better sampling. North Sea and North Atlantic components are strongly overlapping and unstable.
Davidski tried to create Celtic vs Germanic component but failed because they're overly similar. Same applies to Baltic vs East Euro to a lesser extent (not so unstable as first two).
It's kinds of same flaw that Myheritage has, Balkan and East Euro/Baltic are too similar and can overlap/be assigned to people randomly.
K13 is at it's base better calculator, has clear separation of components compared to K15.
Well, I personally use Dodecad K12b more than anything else. It's clear your Mongoloid is max. 1 percent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gergő Marosvári
Well in that case it doesn't look like Gypsy admixture despite score is high. Do you score any west Asian on 23andme?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gergő Marosvári
Can I ask you what is your more recent ancestry, based on the ethnic origin of your grandparents or even great grandparents? How many of them are full Hungarian and how many of them are mixed with other ethnicities?Quote:
Originally Posted by VarangianRUs
No i didn't have any!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Stearsolina
My 23andMe results: 85,8% Eastern European, 12,0% Greek and Balkan, 1,9% Broadly European, 0,2% Trace Northern Indian, 0,1% Unassigned
But! Interestingly one of my MyHeritage results has a region which shows close relationship with Chechens! Although i have zero percent West Asia here too.
Well in that case I don't think your south Asian comes from Gypsies. If you were admixed with them, you should have scored Middle Eastern too (Iranian/Mesopotamian or Anatolian). Your west Asian/East Med on gedmatch aren't elevated either. It might be it's from Hungarian steppic input and you happen to have maximum value.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gergő Marosvári