Dodecad k12b West, Central & South Asian results Vol. 2

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06-24-2020, 06:02 AM
Kyp

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr_Maul

Khuzestan Arab from Iran
J1a1b-P58
J1d

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 38.42
2 Southwest_Asian 22.88
3 Gedrosia 19.39
4 Atlantic_Med 8.22
5 East_African 3
6 North_European 2.83
7 Sub_Saharan 2.12
8 South_Asian 1.69
9 Siberian 1.27
10 Northwest_African 0.18

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 8.67
2 Syrians (Behar) 9.44
3 Lebanese (Behar) 10.22
4 Iraq_Jews (Behar) 10.39
5 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 11.18
6 Jordanians (Behar) 12
7 Kurd (Dodecad) 13.21
8 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 13.27
9 Assyrian (Dodecad) 13.8
10 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 13.82
11 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 13.93
12 Iranians (Behar) 14.23
13 Iranian (Dodecad) 14.53
14 Druze (HGDP) 15.06
15 Palestinian (HGDP) 15.07
16 Turks (Behar) 16.2
17 Turkish (Dodecad) 17.69
18 Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) 18.23
19 Armenian (Dodecad) 18.43
20 Samaritians (Behar) 20.32

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 60.6% Syrians (Behar) + 39.4% Iranians (Behar) @ 2.43
2 58.9% Syrians (Behar) + 41.1% Kurd (Dodecad) @ 2.94
3 61.3% Syrians (Behar) + 38.7% Iranian (Dodecad) @ 2.99
4 51.5% Iranians (Behar) + 48.5% Palestinian (HGDP) @ 3.35
5 59.3% Syrians (Behar) + 40.7% Kurds (Yunusbayev) @ 3.45
6 51% Iranian (Dodecad) + 49% Palestinian (HGDP) @ 3.53
7 54.6% Jordanians (Behar) + 45.4% Iranians (Behar) @ 3.61
8 53.5% Kurd (Dodecad) + 46.5% Palestinian (HGDP) @ 3.62
9 63.8% Iranian (Dodecad) + 36.2% Bedouin (HGDP) @ 3.64
10 55.2% Jordanians (Behar) + 44.8% Iranian (Dodecad) @ 3.69
11 66.1% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 33.9% Bedouin (HGDP) @ 3.84
12 53.4% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 46.6% Palestinian (HGDP) @ 3.86
13 52.7% Jordanians (Behar) + 47.3% Kurd (Dodecad) @ 3.86
14 52.8% Jordanians (Behar) + 47.2% Kurds (Yunusbayev) @ 3.97
15 66.2% Kurd (Dodecad) + 33.8% Bedouin (HGDP) @ 3.98
16 64.7% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 35.3% Yemenese (Behar) @ 4
17 75.1% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) + 24.9% Yemenese (Behar) @ 4.02
18 65.1% Kurd (Dodecad) + 34.9% Yemenese (Behar) @ 4.61
19 71.7% Iranian (Dodecad) + 28.3% Yemen_Jews (Behar) @ 4.89
20 59.9% Lebanese (Behar) + 40.1% Iranians (Behar) @ 4.98

significantly different from regular Iranians
06-24-2020, 06:06 AM
FinalFlash

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

Those Iranians have a significant NE input!

They have way more steppe admixture than that.
06-24-2020, 08:59 AM
Leto

Quote:

Originally Posted by FinalFlash

They have way more steppe admixture than that.

I didn't say Steppe. Steppe is around half North Euro only, so they maybe close to 20% Steppe if they're 10% NE.
06-24-2020, 09:07 AM
Kyp

Turk from Aksaray (CentralWest Anatolia)

Gedrosian: 12.68
Siberian: 2.78
Northwest_African: 1.21
Southeast_Asian: 0.55
Atlantic_Med: 13.27
North_European: 10.85
South_Asian 0.00
East_African 0.55
Southwest_Asian: 14.84
East_Asian: 3.47
Caucasian: 39.82
SSA: 0.00

Distance to: Aksaray
4.93901812 Turk_Central_West
5.12165989 Turk_Central_East
5.72169555 Turk_Anatolia
6.28337489 Turk_West_BlackSea
6.46387655 Turk_South
6.77950588 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
7.07477915 Turk_Southeast
8.08703901 Turk_Southwest
9.82771082 Turk_East
9.98004008 Turk_Northwest
10.04748725 Azerbaijani_Turkey
10.16127945 Azerbaijani
11.18818573 Nusayri_Turkey
11.57849731 Greek_Cappadocia
11.65472007 Azerbaijani_Iran
12.21020065 Greek_Crete
12.25633714 Yoruk
12.51457151 Turkmen_Iraq
13.01177159 Lebanese
13.02096387 Armenian_East
13.56963154 Zaza
13.63117383 Kurd_Kurmanji
13.92365613 Uzbekistan_Jews
13.92426300 Armenian_West
14.15854512 Crimean_Tatar_Coast

Target: Aksaray
Distance: 1.5221% / 1.52208070 | ADC: 0.25x
40.8 Turk_Central_West
26.6 Turk_West_BlackSea
11.8 Lebanese
8.0 Crimean_Tatar_Coast
6.6 Georgia_Jews
6.2 Samaritians

Target: Aksaray
Distance: 2.6899% / 2.68994532 | ADC: 0.5x
77.2 Turk_Central_West
16.2 Lebanese
4.6 Greek_Cappadocia
1.0 Cypriots
0.8 Greek_Crete
0.2 Turk_West_BlackSea
06-25-2020, 04:25 AM
Leto

Punjabi Jatt

Population
Gedrosia 39.93 Pct
Siberian 1.92 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 2.08 Pct
North_European 13.59 Pct
South_Asian 29.92 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 3.49 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 9.07 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Target: Punjabi
Distance: 2.5256% / 2.52560184 | ADC: 0.5x
66.0 Jatt
20.6 Kho
12.4 Bnei_Menashe_Jews
1.0 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh

Target: Punjabi
Distance: 1.2147% / 1.21471291 | ADC: 0.25x
46.0 Jatt
20.0 Kho
13.4 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh
10.6 Pathan
7.8 Bnei_Menashe_Jews
1.6 Saudis
0.6 Cochin_Jews

He has a ton of Steppe ancestry.
06-25-2020, 10:20 AM
Bender1999

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyp Snow

Turk from Aksaray (CentralWest Anatolia)

Gedrosian: 12.68
Siberian: 2.78
Northwest_African: 1.21
Southeast_Asian: 0.55
Atlantic_Med: 13.27
North_European: 10.85
South_Asian 0.00
East_African 0.55
Southwest_Asian: 14.84
East_Asian: 3.47
Caucasian: 39.82
SSA: 0.00

Distance to: Aksaray
4.93901812 Turk_Central_West
5.12165989 Turk_Central_East
5.72169555 Turk_Anatolia
6.28337489 Turk_West_BlackSea
6.46387655 Turk_South
6.77950588 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
7.07477915 Turk_Southeast
8.08703901 Turk_Southwest
9.82771082 Turk_East
9.98004008 Turk_Northwest
10.04748725 Azerbaijani_Turkey
10.16127945 Azerbaijani
11.18818573 Nusayri_Turkey
11.57849731 Greek_Cappadocia
11.65472007 Azerbaijani_Iran
12.21020065 Greek_Crete
12.25633714 Yoruk
12.51457151 Turkmen_Iraq
13.01177159 Lebanese
13.02096387 Armenian_East
13.56963154 Zaza
13.63117383 Kurd_Kurmanji
13.92365613 Uzbekistan_Jews
13.92426300 Armenian_West
14.15854512 Crimean_Tatar_Coast

Target: Aksaray
Distance: 1.5221% / 1.52208070 | ADC: 0.25x
40.8 Turk_Central_West
26.6 Turk_West_BlackSea
11.8 Lebanese
8.0 Crimean_Tatar_Coast
6.6 Georgia_Jews
6.2 Samaritians

Target: Aksaray
Distance: 2.6899% / 2.68994532 | ADC: 0.5x
77.2 Turk_Central_West
16.2 Lebanese
4.6 Greek_Cappadocia
1.0 Cypriots
0.8 Greek_Crete
0.2 Turk_West_BlackSea

Do you know from where exactly from Aksaray or do you know that he is just from Aksaray.
06-25-2020, 11:12 AM
Kyp

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bender1999

Do you know from where exactly from Aksaray or do you know that he is just from Aksaray.

A town in the east of Aksaray. What are the demographics of the region? Are there differences?
06-25-2020, 11:34 AM
Bender1999

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyp Snow

A town in the east of Aksaray. What are the demographics of the region? Are there differences?

Yes there are also Kurds in Aksaray who came in last century there. If you would know from where i could say what he is. He could be nonmixed Turk or mixed. Aksaray were in last centuries famous for turkmen camel dealer. Central anatolia(Ankara, Cankiri, Kirsehir, Kirikkale, YozgatKonya, Aksaray, Nevsehir, Corum) are predominantly turkish, with some kurdish villages mostly founded in the end of 19th century after last turkish riots and at the beginning of 20th century after first kurdish riots of the republican era. Yozgat and Corum have many alevis, rest predominantly sunni with alevi minorities. Northern Centralanatolia has Circissian settlements, eastern had some armenian until 20th century, southern parts(Nevsehir/Nigde/Kayseri) also had greek orthodox population(Greek and Karamanli). Kirikkale, Kirsehir, Yozgat was known as Bozok livasi, Ankara has many famius turkmen tribes, the konya/ankara kurd which got tested had the most north european admix i ve ever seen at kurds btw, they were settled there after massacring ten thousands of Alevi turkmens in 15/16th century.
06-25-2020, 11:55 AM
Kyp

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bender1999

Yes there are also Kurds in Aksaray who came in last century there. If you would know from where i could say what he is. He could be nonmixed Turk or mixed. Aksaray were in last centuries famous for turkmen camel dealer. Central anatolia(Ankara, Cankiri, Kirsehir, Kirikkale, YozgatKonya, Aksaray, Nevsehir, Corum) are predominantly turkish, with some kurdish villages mostly founded in the end of 19th century after last turkish riots and at the beginning of 20th century after first kurdish riots of the republican era. Yozgat and Corum have many alevis, rest predominantly sunni with alevi minorities. Northern Centralanatolia has Circissian settlements, eastern had some armenian until 20th century, southern parts(Nevsehir/Nigde/Kayseri) also had greek orthodox population(Greek and Karamanli). Kirikkale, Kirsehir, Yozgat was known as Bozok livasi, Ankara has many famius turkmen tribes, the konya/ankara kurd which got tested had the most north european admix i ve ever seen at kurds btw, they were settled there after massacring ten thousands of Alevi turkmens in 15/16th century.

If mixed it's not with Kurds. As you can see very low Gedrosian (lower than the regional average and no South_Asian which is atypical for Turkish results let alone Kurdish).
As you can see it receives a Levantine signal.

Is this map accurate for kurdish villages in this region?
https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/da/map...8.4971/34.1702
06-25-2020, 12:07 PM
Bender1999

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyp Snow

If mixed it's not with Kurds. As you can see very low Gedrosian (lower than the regional average and no South_Asian which is atypical for Turkish results let alone Kurdish).
As you can see it receives a Levantine signal.

.
Then he isnt mixed, i never heard something about levantine/arab people outside of Adana/Hatay/Urfa/Mardin. probably preturkic anatolian origin.
06-25-2020, 12:15 PM
Bender1999

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyp Snow

If mixed it's not with Kurds. As you can see very low Gedrosian (lower than the regional average and no South_Asian which is atypical for Turkish results let alone Kurdish).
As you can see it receives a Levantine signal.

Is this map accurate for kurdish villages in this region?
https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/da/map...8.4971/34.1702

Yes, i dont really know which villages but that is credible, but idk how many villages.
06-25-2020, 08:48 PM
Kyp

Turk from Hatay province:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped..._in_Turkey.svg

Gedrosian: 19.27
Siberian: 4.57
Northwest_African: 0.90
Southeast_Asian: 1.51
Atlantic_Med: 12.21
North_European: 7.08
South_Asian 3.18
East_African 0.85
Southwest_Asian: 11.19
East_Asian: 1.81
Caucasian: 34.94
SSA: 2.49

Distance to: Turk_Hatay
5.87452977 Turk_Southeast
6.63128947 Azerbaijani
7.20497745 Turk_South
7.29250300 Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.35557612 Azerbaijani_Iran
7.79943588 Turk_Central_East
7.94504877 Turk_Anatolia
7.97653434 Turk_Central_West
8.80814964 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
9.34481675 Turk_Southwest
9.38961661 Kurd_Kurmanji
9.44095864 Turkmen_Iraq
9.92224773 Turk_West_BlackSea
10.58942869 Kurd_Sorani
10.66714114 Zaza
10.80647954 Yoruk
11.38402389 Turk_Northwest
11.90135707 Turk_East
11.97561689 Talysh_Azerbaijan
12.15962170 Iranian_Fars
12.34080224 Iran_Khorasan
12.89711208 Lur_Iran
13.15677772 Iran_Central_East
13.50063702 Iranian
13.79837672 Kurd

Target: Turk_Hatay
Distance: 1.9881% / 1.98811730 | ADC: 0.25x
53.8 Turk_Southeast
27.2 Azerbaijani_Iran
7.2 Iran_Bandari
4.2 Sardinian
3.4 Azerbaijani_Turkey
1.6 ASW30
1.4 Nganassan
0.6 Balkan_Gypsy
0.6 Cambodians
06-25-2020, 10:03 PM
Bender1999

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyp Snow

Turk from Hatay province:

Gedrosian: 19.27
Siberian: 4.57
Northwest_African: 0.90
Southeast_Asian: 1.51
Atlantic_Med: 12.21
North_European: 7.08
South_Asian 3.18
East_African 0.85
Southwest_Asian: 11.19
East_Asian: 1.81
Caucasian: 34.94
SSA: 2.49

Nothing atypical at Near Easter admix but high SSA, even the person from Aksaray was more "near eastern".
06-28-2020, 04:20 PM
Kyp

From a turkish (Azeri) tribe of Semnan province in Iran:
also has Persian ancestors
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...an-SVG.svg.png

Gedrosian: 24.98
Siberian: 2.72
Northwest_African: 1.04
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 6.00
North_European: 8.41
South_Asian 5.53
East_African 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 11.53
East_Asian: 3.64
Caucasian: 35.29
SSA: 0.19

Distance to: Azeri_Semnan
5.49599854 Iran_Khorasan
5.52224592 Iranian_Fars
5.75630958 Azerbaijani_Iran
5.88673084 Iran_Central_East
6.57335531 Azerbaijani
7.07636206 Kurd_Kurmanji
7.25837447 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.30813246 Kurd_Sorani
7.48053474 Iranian
7.80443464 Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.86429272 Lur_Iran
8.63764435 Zaza
8.70760587 Kurd
8.79865899 Iranians
8.85124285 Turkmen_Iraq
9.63786802 Turk_Southeast
9.66665402 Iran_Mazandaran
9.75908807 Kurd_KAZ
10.03406199 Kurds
11.09032010 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
11.14881608 Turkmens
11.44887767 Turkmen_Iran
12.25039183 Turk_South
12.74998824 Turk_Central_East
13.63092440 Turk_Central_Black_Sea

Target: Azeri_Semnan
Distance: 1.3126% / 1.31258884 | ADC: 0.25x
38.8 Iran_Khorasan
35.8 Azerbaijani_Iran
9.0 Iran_Central_East
9.0 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.2 Iranian_Fars
0.2 JPT30
06-29-2020, 12:09 PM
Leto

Eastern European Gypsy

Population
Gedrosia 13.73 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 1.04 Pct
Southeast_Asian 1.89 Pct
Atlantic_Med 12.39 Pct
North_European 18.04 Pct
South_Asian 22.02 Pct
East_African 0.40 Pct
Southwest_Asian 7.50 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 22.98 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Seryozha
5.46948809 Balkan_Gypsy
21.98391457 AFG_Tajik
24.15246364 Tajik_Balanovsky2019
24.37511846 Parsi_India
24.55880494 Turkmen_Iran
24.63412471 AFG_Pashtun
24.84094000 Iran_Khorasan
25.04472400 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
25.19071059 Yagnobi
25.39487941 Turk_Northwest

Target: Seryozha
Distance: 2.5332% / 2.53323219 | ADC: 0.25x
86.4 Balkan_Gypsy
8.4 Mordovian
2.8 Bnei_Menashe_Jews
2.0 Kharia
0.4 Yemen_Jews
06-30-2020, 04:17 PM
Kyp

Two Azerbaijanis from Baku Province (+Shamakhi), they are relatives of each other

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ion%29.svg.png

Shows a bit the randomness of Siberian and East Asian component

#1

Code:

Gedrosian: 23.68 Siberian: 2.45 Northwest_African: 1.41 Southeast_Asian: 0.73 Atlantic_Med: 6.26 North_European: 7.94 South_Asian 0.59 East_African 0.00 Southwest_Asian: 13.26 East_Asian: 4.20 Caucasian: 39.47 SSA: 0.00 Distance to: Azerbaijani_Baku1 3.74734573 Azerbaijani_Iran 5.06501728 Kurd_Kurmanji 5.06970413 Azerbaijani 5.41648410 Talysh_Azerbaijan 5.50847529 Azerbaijani_Turkey 5.51401850 Zaza 6.19041194 Turkmen_Iraq 6.44634005 Kurd_Sorani 6.60996974 Kurd 6.96944044 Kurd_KAZ 7.21011096 Kurds 7.53191211 Iranian 7.72314703 Turk_Southeast 7.77380216 Lur_Iran 9.14291529 Iranian_Fars 10.04040836 Turk_East 10.32723099 Iranians 10.37391440 Turk_Central_East 10.51597356 Uzbekistan_Jews 10.79456345 Turk_South 10.94979908 Azerbaijani_Dagestan 11.46975588 Iran_Central_East 11.48284808 Turk_Central_Black_Sea 11.50801025 Iran_Khorasan 11.71442273 Iran_Mazandaran Target: Azerbaijani_Baku1 Distance: 1.7472% / 1.74718458 | ADC: 0.25x 52.8 Azerbaijani_Iran 37.8 Kurd 6.0 Kumyks 1.2 JPT30 1.2 Yemen_Jews 0.6 Iranian_Jews 0.2 Daur 0.2 Japanese

#2

Code:

Gedrosian: 23.68 Siberian: 4.22 Northwest_African: 0.10 Southeast_Asian: 0.33 Atlantic_Med: 6.37 North_European: 8.73 South_Asian 1.31 East_African 0.63 Southwest_Asian: 11.97 East_Asian: 2.47 Caucasian: 40.19 SSA: 0.17 Distance to: Azerbaijani_Baku2 3.73385859 Azerbaijani_Iran 4.86425739 Talysh_Azerbaijan 4.91743836 Azerbaijani_Turkey 5.02081667 Azerbaijani 5.15580256 Kurd_Kurmanji 5.35538047 Zaza 6.89592633 Kurd_KAZ 6.96175265 Iranian 7.00671107 Kurd 7.20376291 Kurd_Sorani 7.27543813 Kurds 7.58500494 Turkmen_Iraq 7.88599391 Turk_Southeast 8.12892982 Lur_Iran 9.35240076 Azerbaijani_Dagestan 9.50529852 Turk_East 9.61553951 Iranian_Fars 10.09778193 Turk_Central_East 10.55531620 Turk_South 10.69027596 Iranians 11.03539759 Uzbekistan_Jews 11.05009050 Turk_Central_Black_Sea 11.13009434 Iran_Central_East 11.24448309 Iran_Mazandaran 11.25765517 Iran_Khorasan Target: Azerbaijani_Baku2 Distance: 1.2129% / 1.21294299 | ADC: 0.25x 52.8 Azerbaijani_Iran 26.4 Kurds 10.6 Kumyks 8.4 Kurd 1.4 Evenk 0.4 Nganassan
06-30-2020, 04:35 PM
Leto

Cool. I think that region is called Abşeron. Their South Asian is pretty low, especially the former person's (basically noise).
07-02-2020, 10:40 AM
Leto

Göktürk (high coverage sample)
Z845678

Gedrosia 7.40 Pct
Siberian 10.42 Pct
Northwest_African 0.38 Pct
Southeast_Asian 2.92 Pct
Atlantic_Med 13.61 Pct
North_European 27.66 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian -
East_Asian 26.71 Pct
Caucasus 10.40 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.50 Pct

Target: Göktürk
Distance: 3.5887% / 3.58865326 | ADC: 0.25x
55.4 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
12.2 Norwegian
12.0 Bashkir
11.6 Korean
4.6 Tatar_Kazan
4.2 Japanese

He is only 40% Mongoloid.
07-02-2020, 03:00 PM
Leto

Half Balkan Turk (Greece), half East Black Sea (Ardahan)

Population
Gedrosia 10.53 Pct
Siberian 0.28 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.77 Pct
Atlantic_Med 17.62 Pct
North_European 16.78 Pct
South_Asian 2.46 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 8.12 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 43.45 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Target: Greece-Ardahan
Distance: 1.9586% / 1.95858089 | ADC: 0.25x
39.0 Crimean_Tatar_Coast
18.8 Greek_Cappadocia
18.0 Greek
14.6 Adygei
7.2 Georgian_Gurian
1.4 Balkan_Gypsy
0.8 Dhurwa
0.2 Pulliyar
07-02-2020, 03:36 PM
Dr_Maul

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

Half Balkan Turk (Greece), half East Black Sea (Ardahan)

Population
Gedrosia 10.53 Pct
Siberian 0.28 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.77 Pct
Atlantic_Med 17.62 Pct
North_European 16.78 Pct
South_Asian 2.46 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 8.12 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 43.45 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Target: Greece-Ardahan
Distance: 1.9586% / 1.95858089 | ADC: 0.25x
39.0 Crimean_Tatar_Coast
18.8 Greek_Cappadocia
18.0 Greek
14.6 Adygei
7.2 Georgian_Gurian
1.4 Balkan_Gypsy
0.8 Dhurwa
0.2 Pulliyar

I usually score more mongoloid than this person, thats wack
07-02-2020, 03:43 PM
Bender1999

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr_Maul

I usually score more mongoloid than this person, thats wack

Ardahan has also non Turkish communities, the balkan turk side would show 2-3% east asian, that is normal for a heavily intermixed one. Maybe he is not even an ethnically Turk, idk.
07-02-2020, 03:45 PM
Leto

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bender1999

Ardahan has also non Turkish communities, the balkan turk side would show 2-3% east asian, that is normal for a heavily intermixed one. Maybe he is not even an ethnically Turk, idk.

Please get out of this thread (and preferably this forum), you shady sock puppet.
07-02-2020, 03:47 PM
Leto

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr_Maul

I usually score more mongoloid than this person, thats wack

Kaspias explained his background in the 23andme from Reddit thread. It's no surprise.
07-02-2020, 03:48 PM
Bender1999

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

Please get out of this thread (and preferably this forum), you shady sock puppet.

I did not say anything bad, if you dont like my comments ignore it.
07-02-2020, 03:49 PM
Dr_Maul

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

Kaspias explained his background in the 23andme from Reddit thread. It's no surprise.

I know from his Black Sea part he would have very little or none, but I assumed Balkan Turks would have a decent amount, but like you said there is an explanation
07-04-2020, 07:15 AM
Kyp

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bender1999

Ardahan has also non Turkish communities, the balkan turk side would show 2-3% east asian, that is normal for a heavily intermixed one. Maybe he is not even an ethnically Turk, idk.

Afshar Turkmen from Kirsehir (thought you might be interested)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped..._in_Turkey.svg

Gedrosian: 17.36
Siberian: 5.16
Northwest_African: 1.57
Southeast_Asian: 1.68
Atlantic_Med: 12.38
North_European: 9.61
South_Asian 2.45
East_African 0.26
Southwest_Asian: 12.05
East_Asian: 3.35
Caucasian: 34.13
SSA: 0.75

Distance to: Turk_kirsehir
4.75650081 Turk_South
5.30797513 Turk_Anatolia
5.33397600 Turk_Central_West
5.49085604 Turk_Southeast
5.92325924 Turk_Southwest
6.67808356 Turk_Central_East
6.88944120 Turk_West_BlackSea
7.13635761 Azerbaijani
7.16988842 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
7.81287399 Turk_Northwest
7.96488544 Yoruk
8.08009901 Azerbaijani_Turkey
8.54712232 Azerbaijani_Iran
10.88804390 Turkmen_Iraq
11.27197853 Kurd_Kurmanji
12.45101602 Kurd_Sorani
12.46980754 Zaza
12.72876663 Turk_East
13.47755171 Iran_Khorasan
13.91181512 Talysh_Azerbaijan
14.20567492 Turkmen_Iran
14.20784994 Iranian_Fars
14.62785357 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
14.89842274 Iran_Central_East
15.00325298 Azerbaijani_Dagestan

Target: Turk_kirsehir
Distance: 1.3874% / 1.38735523 | ADC: 0.25x
54.0 Turk_Southeast
35.4 Turk_Southwest
4.0 Turk_Northwest
2.6 Brahui
1.0 Cambodians
1.0 Canarias
0.6 Balkan_Gypsy
0.6 Moroccan
0.6 Nganassan
0.2 Parsi_India

Target: Turk_kirsehir
Distance: 2.7515% / 2.75146803 | ADC: 0.5x
48.0 Turk_Southeast
47.6 Turk_Southwest
2.2 Turkmen_Iran
1.2 Brahui
0.8 Parsi_India
0.2 Cambodians
07-04-2020, 08:24 AM
Bender1999

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyp Snow

Afshar Turkmen from Kirsehir (thought you might be interested)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped..._in_Turkey.svg

Gedrosian: 17.36
Siberian: 5.16
Northwest_African: 1.57
Southeast_Asian: 1.68
Atlantic_Med: 12.38
North_European: 9.61
South_Asian 2.45
East_African 0.26
Southwest_Asian: 12.05
East_Asian: 3.35
Caucasian: 34.13
SSA: 0.75

Distance to: Turk_kirsehir
4.75650081 Turk_South
5.30797513 Turk_Anatolia
5.33397600 Turk_Central_West
5.49085604 Turk_Southeast
5.92325924 Turk_Southwest
6.67808356 Turk_Central_East
6.88944120 Turk_West_BlackSea
7.13635761 Azerbaijani
7.16988842 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
7.81287399 Turk_Northwest
7.96488544 Yoruk
8.08009901 Azerbaijani_Turkey
8.54712232 Azerbaijani_Iran
10.88804390 Turkmen_Iraq
11.27197853 Kurd_Kurmanji
12.45101602 Kurd_Sorani
12.46980754 Zaza
12.72876663 Turk_East
13.47755171 Iran_Khorasan
13.91181512 Talysh_Azerbaijan
14.20567492 Turkmen_Iran
14.20784994 Iranian_Fars
14.62785357 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
14.89842274 Iran_Central_East
15.00325298 Azerbaijani_Dagestan

Target: Turk_kirsehir
Distance: 1.3874% / 1.38735523 | ADC: 0.25x
54.0 Turk_Southeast
35.4 Turk_Southwest
4.0 Turk_Northwest
2.6 Brahui
1.0 Cambodians
1.0 Canarias
0.6 Balkan_Gypsy
0.6 Moroccan
0.6 Nganassan
0.2 Parsi_India

Target: Turk_kirsehir
Distance: 2.7515% / 2.75146803 | ADC: 0.5x
48.0 Turk_Southeast
47.6 Turk_Southwest
2.2 Turkmen_Iran
1.2 Brahui
0.8 Parsi_India
0.2 Cambodians

Nice results, thanks for sharing!
07-05-2020, 11:26 AM
Leto

Chechen

Gedrosia 23.50 Pct
Siberian 2.07 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 6.93 Pct
North_European 19.96 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African 0.44 Pct
Southwest_Asian 3.74 Pct
East_Asian 1.46 Pct
Caucasus 41.87 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Distance to: Maga
3.56495442 Chechen
3.76875311 Ingush
5.86420498 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
6.39300399 Qumuq
6.83639525 Lezgin
7.20222882 Balkar
7.55335025 Kumyks
7.58877460 Karachay
7.81190118 Avar_Dagestan
8.42438722 Circassian

Target: Maga
Distance: 1.1059% / 1.10593900 | ADC: 0.25x
48.8 Ingush
29.0 Chechen
20.4 Lezgin
1.8 French_Basque
07-05-2020, 11:28 AM
Leto

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyp Snow

Afshar Turkmen from Kirsehir (thought you might be interested)

Do you think he might be 25-30% Oghuz?
07-05-2020, 11:50 AM
Kyp

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

Do you think he might be 25-30% Oghuz?

Could be

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bender1999

Nice results, thanks for sharing!

Btw what's the reason for the Iranian shift of this region? There are cities to the east who show much less Iranian shift (Kayseri, Nigde, Tokat etc..) and they also have lower East Eurasian than Kirsehir.
Cities to the west have similar East Eurasian but less Iranian character.
07-05-2020, 12:46 PM
Sora

Here are Dodecad k12b results of 467 Turks (except them, there are other groups too)

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...pbY/edit#gid=0

There has been added new samples and shockingly there are even 3 samples which are 20% Mongoloid! :shocked:
07-05-2020, 12:55 PM
Bender1999

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyp Snow

Could be

Btw what's the reason for the Iranian shift of this region? There are cities to the east who show much less Iranian shift (Kayseri, Nigde, Tokat etc..) and they also have lower East Eurasian than Kirsehir.
Cities to the west have similar East Eurasian but less Iranian character.

Yes i also noticed that for example Kirsehir has a bit more Gedrosia than a Turk with the same east asian admix, but about the cities Nigde and Tokat i have not many knowledge. Tokat had also some oghuz settlemets and there lived an Armenian community, also it has a numerous Muhacir(especially Circissian) community. Sora comes from there maybe she can say a bit more. Whether Nigde had oghuz settlements or not, that is a difficult question, i know more about Aksaray-Kirikkale-Ankara-Kirsehir-Yozgat area. Kayseri was always a place with heterogeneous population, you know there are many Afshars, but due history there were many others. Kirsehir(and the other cities of the neighborhood) for example, although there are traces of other civilizations, were at the arrival of the first Turks not or really sparsely populated.
07-05-2020, 01:14 PM
Sora

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bender1999

Yes i also noticed that for example Kirsehir has a bit more Gedrosia than a Turk with the same east asian admix, but about the cities Nigde and Tokat i have not many knowledge. Tokat had also some oghuz settlemets and there lived a Armenian community, also it has a numerous Muhacir(especially Circissian) community. Sora comes from there maybe she can say a bit more. Whether Nigde had oghuz settlements or not, that is a difficult question, i know more about Aksaray-Kirikkale-Ankara-Kirsehir-Yozgat area. Kayseri was always a place with heterogeneous population, you know there are many Afshars, but due history there were many others. Kirsehir(and the other cities of the neighborhood) for example, although there are traces of other civilizations, were at the arrival of the first Turks not or really sparsely populated.

Indeed Tokat samples have a bit more Gedrosian & South Asian than Western Anatolian cities. Also Mongoloid admixture in Tokat samples can vary from 4%-12%, the 4% Mongoloid Tokat sample may be mixed because Tokat has some Erzurum community and people from Erzurum have 0%-3% Mongoloid. Except that sample, Tokat samples can vary from 7%-12%.

There are also Circassian(other Caucasians as well) & Kurdish/Zaza populations in Tokat. Main guesstimate is that Tokat is 85% Turkish, 15% Caucasian(Circassian, Abkhaz etc.) and 5% Kurdish & Zaza.

I've also posted this at my previous entry:

Quote:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...pbY/edit#gid=0
07-05-2020, 02:02 PM
Kyp

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sora

Indeed Tokat samples have a bit more Gedrosian & South Asian than Western Anatolian cities. Also Mongoloid admixture in Tokat samples can vary from 4%-12%, the 4% Mongoloid Tokat sample may be mixed because Tokat has some Erzurum community and people from Erzurum have 0%-3% Mongoloid. Except that sample, Tokat samples can vary from 7%-12%.

There are also Circassian(other Caucasians as well) & Kurdish/Zaza populations in Tokat. Main guesstimate is that Tokat is 85% Turkish, 15% Caucasian(Circassian, Abkhaz etc.) and 5% Kurdish & Zaza.

I've also posted this at my previous entry:

My question was about Kirsehir/Kirikkale. Scoring around 18% Gedrosian and +2 South Asian seems pretty common there. Which is approaching Azerbaijani levels.
Tokat looks a bit more Black SeaA/Armenian influenced instead of Iranian.
07-05-2020, 02:13 PM
Bender1999

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyp Snow

My question was about Kirsehir/Kirikkale. Scoring around 18% Gedrosian and +2 South Asian seems pretty common there. Which is approaching Azerbaijani levels.
Tokat looks a bit more Black SeaA/Armenian influenced instead of Iranian.

Most probably because some Turks who arrived there came from Azerbaijan or Chorasan, this is the only explanation for me.
07-05-2020, 02:30 PM
Sora

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyp Snow

My question was about Kirsehir/Kirikkale. Scoring around 18% Gedrosian and +2 South Asian seems pretty common there. Which is approaching Azerbaijani levels.
Tokat looks a bit more Black Sea/Armenian influenced instead of Iranian.

Yes, Kırşehir & Kırıkkale have more Gedrosian + South Asian than regular Turk. I guess it's due to Iranian ancestry as you said. And the Gedrosian + South Asian ancestry grows up as we go to Eastern provinces such as Sivas, Erzincan, Elazığ, Kahramanmaraş, Malatya etc. Not to mention Kars & Iğdır because those are mainly Azeri so it's normal they score more Gedrosian + South Asian

Also the cause of Iranian ancestry can be told like those:
1) They came from Khorasan or Azerbaijan as Bender1999 said
2) Some Seljuk Sultans or Anatolian "bey"s married to Iranian women (but most Anatolian Seljuk Sultans married to Greek & Georgian women)
3) Some Iranians came to Anatolia alongside with Turks (for example: Rumi) and they mixed with each other
07-05-2020, 02:35 PM
Chris596

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sora

Here are Dodecad k12b results of 467 Turks (except them, there are other groups too)

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...pbY/edit#gid=0

There has been added new samples and shockingly there are even 3 samples which are 20% Mongoloid! :shocked:

And there are like 20 who are not Mongoloid at all :confused: What's up with those? Are they even ethnic Turks? (I really have no idea this is why I'm asking this).
07-05-2020, 02:44 PM
Sora

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris596

And there are like 20 who are not Mongoloid at all What's up with those? :confused: Are they even ethnic Turks? (I really have no idea this is why I'm asking this).

They're mainly assimilated or mixed. Especially Eastern Black Sea Turks from Trabzon, Rize, Artvin are indeed assimilated native Caucasians(didn't tell Pontic Greeks because they're Hellenized natives indeed). And Eastern Anatolian Turks are either assimilated Kurds/Iranians/Armenians/Assyrians or mix of those groups with Turks.

But their neighbours Central Black Sea Turks(neighbour of Eastern ones) & Azeris(neighbours of Eastern Anatolians) are mixture of Oghuz & Iranics/Native Anatolians. Especially Central Black Sea Turks from Kürtün(northwestern district of Gümüşhane), Ordu, northern Giresun & western Trabzon have at least 10% Mongoloid due to they're mainly Chepni(an Oghuz clan mainly live in Black Sea, and also my paternal grandfather-RIP- was one of them)
07-05-2020, 02:47 PM
Leto

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sora

They're mainly assimilated or mixed. Especially Eastern Black Sea Turks from Trabzon, Rize, Artvin are indeed assimilated native Caucasians(didn't tell Pontic Greeks because they're Hellenized natives indeed). And Eastern Anatolian Turks are either assimilated Kurds/Iranians/Armenians/Assyrians or mix of those groups with Turks.

But their neighbours Central Black Sea Turks(neighbour of Eastern ones) & Azeris(neighbours of Eastern Anatolians) are mixture of Oghuz & Iranics/Native Anatolians. Especially Central Black Sea Turks from Kürtün(northwestern district of Gümüşhane), Ordu, northern Giresun & western Trabzon have at least 10% Mongoloid due to they're mainly Chepni(an Oghuz clan mainly live in Black Sea, and also my paternal grandfather-RIP- was one of them)

Do you think you are mostly "assimilated"?
07-05-2020, 02:50 PM
Bender1999

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sora

Yes, Kırşehir & Kırıkkale have more Gedrosian + South Asian than regular Turk. I guess it's due to Iranian ancestry as you said. And the Gedrosian + South Asian ancestry grows up as we go to Eastern provinces such as Sivas, Erzincan, Elazığ, Kahramanmaraş, Malatya etc. Not to mention Kars & Iğdır because those are mainly Azeri so it's normal they score more Gedrosian + South Asian

Also the cause of Iranian ancestry can be told like those:
1) They came from Khorasan or Azerbaijan as Bender1999 said
2) Some Seljuk Sultans or Anatolian "bey"s married to Iranian women (but most Anatolian Seljuk Sultans married to Greek & Georgian women)
3) Some Iranians came to Anatolia alongside with Turks (for example: Rumi) and they mixed with each other

Kirsehir was, like konya(you named Rumi) one if the cultural hotspots of Anatolia in 11-15th century. The city was called Gülsehir(city of roses/flowers) , the nomadic and village people call it kır şehri(other say the name comes from Timur) because of the landscape. For a important city you need some officials, which were mostly persian speaking. Also scholars and preachers were sometimes of full or partly persian ancestry(Rumi was for example half Tadjik half noble Turkic ancestry). But how or even whether they left any genetic traces, thats the question.

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