So they aren't assimilated Georgians. This result is far from low Mong. But it's unusual. Very low European.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyp
They live in this region, primarily the Southern half.
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So they aren't assimilated Georgians. This result is far from low Mong. But it's unusual. Very low European.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyp
They live in this region, primarily the Southern half.
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Azerbaijani - all 4 Grandparents originally from Jabrayil in Artsakh/Karabakh
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Gedrosian: 19.83
Siberian: 3.71
Northwest_African: 0.00
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 8.86
North_European: 9.51
South_Asian: 3.33
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 10.75
East_Asian: 3.95
Caucasus: 39.79
Sub_Saharan: 0.25
Distance to: Azerbaijani_Cabrayil
2.00653931 Azerbaijani_Turkey
2.76958481 Azerbaijani
3.85493191 Azerbaijani_Iran
4.75300957 Turk_Southeast
5.85535652 Turk_Central_East
6.33202179 Turk_South
6.78917521 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
7.33124137 Kurd_Kurmanji
7.47808130 Zaza
7.52422754 Turk_Anatolia
7.94725739 Turk_Central_West
8.00069372 Turk_East
8.07186472 Talysh_Azerbaijan
8.72173148 Udi_Azerbaijan
8.77226881 Turkmen_Iraq
9.33417377 Kurd_Sorani
10.04065735 Turk_West_BlackSea
10.22097843 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
10.22191763 Turk_Southwest
11.01776747 Iranian
11.06549592 Kurd_KAZ
11.30092032 Yoruk
11.52034288 Lur_Iran
11.77068392 Iran_Khorasan
11.94140695 Iranian_Fars
Target: Azerbaijani_Cabrayil
Distance: 0.9755% / 0.97553175 | ADC: 0.25x
91.6 Azerbaijani_Turkey
5.6 Nogai
2.0 Azerbaijani
0.8 Pulliyar
Interesting results. A person from Turkey with full or predominant ancestry from the North Caucasus (he stated Vladikavkaz as the birth place of his great-grandparents)
J2a1
D4g2
Gedrosia 18.95 Pct
Siberian 3.27 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 1.14 Pct
Atlantic_Med 6.28 Pct
North_European 18.27 Pct
South_Asian 1.10 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 1.75 Pct
East_Asian 3.87 Pct
Caucasus 45.37 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: YO
2.59861502 Karachay
3.15917711 Balkar
3.97322287 Ossetian
4.01105971 Kumyks
4.09458179 Circassian
4.78735835 Ingush
6.40916531 Chechen
9.86743128 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
10.75596579 Qumuq
12.46906171 Lak2
Target: YO
Distance: 1.7967% / 1.79667392 | ADC: 0.25x
60.8 Karachay
27.2 Circassian
7.4 Kumyks
4.4 Dargin
0.2 Western_Indonesian
That is very weird, at least his Turkic admixture should give him 5% North European. Even his Atl.Med is low. One Terekkeme, which was highly Turkic had low North European too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyp
I once thought that could be Mongolian influence maybe, but idk whether they settled in Iran or had any influence to ethnogenesis of Azerbaijanis. Just Chobanids have still descendants as far i know. At least the Terekkeme clustered with Mongolians.
North Euro in Georgia/Armenia and Northeast Turkey can be low. If they had ancestry from there it could have been a weird re-combination of genes. I would not overthink these kind of results too much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bender1999
Giresun also has kind of low NorthEuro sometimes despite being heavily turkic.
I noticed Azerbaijanis from Northwest tend to have higher Atlantic_Med than North_Euro.
I also had some theories about this, especially because Azeri's were almost exactly modelled as fully Talysh but with additional Han+Siberian, but to be honest, it simply can't make sense in terms of Haplogroups.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bender1999
If we consider the Turks as 40% Eurasian, even the rest would not be pure white, so the difference would only be 1-2% European between them
Iranian from the Alborz region (Persian/Azeri mixed region which is reflecting in this result)
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Gedrosian: 21.12
Siberian: 1.79
Northwest_African: 1.37
Southeast_Asian: 0.67
Atlantic_Med: 6.71
North_European: 8.16
South_Asian: 3.86
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 11.97
East_Asian: 3.62
Caucasus: 40.09
Sub_Saharan: 0.65
[Distance to: Charm_Alborz
2.68696855 Azerbaijani_Iran
3.49277826 Azerbaijani_Turkey
3.56943973 Azerbaijani
5.45935894 Kurd_Kurmanji
5.60600571 Talysh_Azerbaijan
5.67522687 Zaza
6.26194858 Turk_Southeast
6.70178334 Kurd_Sorani
6.77366961 Turkmen_Iraq
8.13457436 Udi_Azerbaijan
8.38671569 Turk_East
8.48909300 Turk_Central_East
8.66062931 Kurd_KAZ
8.79326447 Iranian
8.88906069 Lur_Iran
9.22421812 Turk_South
9.53841182 Iranian_Fars
9.83336158 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
10.57996692 Turk_Anatolia
10.66111157 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
10.85027189 Turk_Central_West
11.01049499 Iraqi_Baghdad
11.08264860 Iran_Khorasan
12.32167602 Syrian_B
12.50132393 Iran_Mazandaran
Target: Charm_Alborz
Distance: 1.4072% / 1.40723004 | ADC: 0.25x
81.4 Azerbaijani_Iran
7.2 Talysh_Azerbaijan
6.0 Abkhazian
3.2 Georgia_Jews
1.2 Pulliyar
0.8 Korean
0.2 Mandenka
Low North Euro in that Azeri may be just because of the V5 chip, although it won't increase dramatically with other data. May rise to 5% or so.
Kurd(Sorani) from Sulaymaniah(Iraq):
Gedrosia: 24.94 Pct
Siberian: 0.29 Pct
Northwest_African: 0.78 Pct
Southeast_Asian: -
Atlantic_Med: 6.15 Pct
North_European: 7.73 Pct
South_Asian: 4.09 Pct
East_African: 0.08 Pct
Southwest_Asian: 16.24 Pct
East_Asian: 1.29 Pct
Caucasus: 34.25 Pct
Sub_Saharan: 0.16 Pct
If i posted this, please say i it: Nogay from Konya with ancestors from Cetsan/Crim:
Gedrosia: 9.15 Pct
Siberian: 18.69 Pct
Northwest_African: 0.15 Pct
Southeast_Asian: 4.04 Pct
Atlantic_Med: 6.99 Pct
North_European: 19.41 Pct
South_Asian: 2.21 Pct
East_African: 0.59 Pct
Southwest_Asian: -
East_Asian: 22.96 Pct
Caucasus: 15.82 Pct
Sub_Saharan: -
Do you maybe know from which village too?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr_Maul
No but I can askQuote:
Originally Posted by Bender1999
Yes, you did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bender1999
Leto, i checked it again, here i didn’t post it and on the previous thread i just posted the Nogay from Bursa. If i am not mistaken...Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Okay, it may be a different one. I can't remember everything lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Bender1999
Egyptian
Gedrosia 7.39 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 8.68 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 11.24 Pct
North_European -
South_Asian 0.65 Pct
East_African 9.74 Pct
Southwest_Asian 25.47 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 31.85 Pct
Sub_Saharan 4.99 Pct
Distance to: Mancy
3.28351275 Egyptian
9.37670518 Palestinian
9.57693584 Jordanians
9.79872951 Coptic
10.40868387 Syrian_C
15.25954455 Syrian_A
15.48319089 Syria_SW_Christian
15.86042244 Lebanese_Muslim
15.90922374 Palestinian_Christian
16.98390709 Syrian_B
Target: Mancy
Distance: 2.1110% / 2.11096945 | ADC: 0.5x
92.0 Egyptian
4.4 Jordanians
3.6 Iran_Bandari
Target: Mancy
Distance: 1.4841% / 1.48405077 | ADC: 0.25x
80.0 Egyptian
12.8 Jordanians
3.2 Iran_Bandari
2.2 Yemenite_mixed
0.8 Balochi
0.6 Sandawe_He
0.4 Somali
Kurd from Elazig and Erzincan
Gedrosia 27.44 Pct
Siberian 1.37 Pct
Northwest_African 1.40 Pct
Southeast_Asian 1.09 Pct
Atlantic_Med 8.99 Pct
North_European 5.28 Pct
South_Asian 1.86 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 13.37 Pct
East_Asian 1.11 Pct
Caucasus 38.05 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
to: KurdEE
2.51191162 Yazidi
4.23158363 Lur_Iran
4.37724799 Kurd_Kurmanji
5.09962744 Iranian
5.25621537 Kurd_Sorani
5.76755581 Zaza
5.85195694 Talysh_Azerbaijan
5.91413561 Kurd_KAZ
Target: KurdEE
Distance: 2.4715% / 2.47149414 | ADC: 0.5x
94.4 Yazidi
3.4 Lur_Iran
2.2 Iranian
Riding the Kurdish wave: Kurd from Mossul:
Gedrosian: 25.17
Siberian: 0.43
Northwest_African: 1.16
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 9.42
North_European: 6.55
South_Asian: 4.08
East_African: 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 18.09
East_Asian: 0.00
Caucasus: 35.08
Sub_Saharan: 0.00
Distance to: Kurd_Mossul
4.88342093 Kurd_Sorani
5.83334381 Turkmen_Iraq
5.92730124 Yazidi
6.64076803 Iranian_Fars
6.69655882 Kurd_Kurmanji
7.35024489 Lur_Iran
8.41519459 Iraqi_Baghdad
8.66548902 Zaza
8.94511599 Azerbaijani_Iran
9.61076480 Azerbaijani
9.62710756 Iranian
9.78837065 Talysh_Azerbaijan
10.05974155 Kurd_KAZ
10.44158513 Turk_Southeast
11.07560382 Azerbaijani_Turkey
11.94728421 Syrian_B
12.02253717 Mandean
12.27850968 Iran_Khorasan
12.71290683 Iran_Mazandaran
12.92248428 Iranian_Jew
13.68131573 Udi_Azerbaijan
14.35879173 Azeri_Jew
14.38780039 Turk_Central_East
14.59248094 Kurdish_Jew
14.63452425 Turk_East
Izmir Turk (Half Yörük background)
Gedrosian: 14.31
Siberian: 4.82
Northwest_African: 1.98
Southeast_Asian: 0.73
Atlantic_Med: 15.47
North_European: 10.93
South_Asian: 1.76
East_African: 1.15
Southwest_Asian: 11.60
East_Asian: 5.78
Caucasus: 31.40
Sub_Saharan: 0.09
Distance to: Yörük_Izmir
4.85137094 Turk_Southwest
5.22448084 Turk_Northwest
6.59489196 Turk_West_BlackSea
6.84887582 Turk_Central_West
7.07692023 Yoruk
7.09691482 Turk_Anatolia
7.70639345 Turk_South
9.72243282 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
9.94286679 Turk_Central_East
10.06451688 Turk_Southeast
11.93934253 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
12.23350318 Azerbaijani
13.14127087 Azerbaijani_Turkey
13.23431147 Syrian_B
13.93122751 Azerbaijani_Iran
14.16205141 Turk_Cyprus
14.34088909 Greek_Crete
15.19389351 Greek_Kos
15.70994589 MD_Jewish
15.74398615 Turkmen_Iraq
15.80684345 Greek_Izmir
16.07409360 Italy_Sicily
16.08802685 Italy_Apulia
16.26287183 Ashkenazi_Jews
16.35608198 Italy_Calabria
Target: Yörük_Izmir
Distance: 1.4256% / 1.42560640 | ADC: 0.25x
73.2 Turk_Southwest
11.6 Syrian_C
5.8 Spanish_Asturias
5.8 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
2.2 Balochi
He is half Manav.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyp
Manav is settled Yörük.
Yörük is a cool word, I like these umlauts and diacritics :cool:
Is this the guy from Reddit? Look at his SW Asian, higher than many Assyrians.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyp
Root of the word is Yürümek which means to walk. Last letter - k is suffix. It means one who walks. It is a nomadic name.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
I think Maghrebis can be posted here too, can't they? I mean they are part of the Arab world and the 'Greater Middle East'. People talk about 'MENA' for a reason, though I personally avoid the term.
Kit name Nogai,Karachay-Circassia.
YDNA: L1a2(L3)
Population
Gedrosia 13.69 Pct
Siberian 10.60 Pct
Northwest_African 0.60 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.19 Pct
Atlantic_Med 5.93 Pct
North_European 19.41 Pct
South_Asian 1.59 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 4.81 Pct
East_Asian 14.62 Pct
Caucasus 28.56 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Target: Nogai
Distance: 1.6775% / 1.67754107 | ADC: 0.25x
53.6 Nogai
15.4 Uzbeks
11.6 Yoruk
10.4 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
6.2 Uzbek
2.8 Kuwait2
Distance to: Nogai
13.34121434 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
13.62312005 Yoruk
15.03881977 Uzbek
15.61149256 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
15.70551495 Turk_Northwest
16.12814310 Turkmen_Iran
16.37990537 Turkmen
16.86900708 Turk_Southwest
17.77271223 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
18.41580300 Qumuq
18.66877339 Uzbeks
18.86918652 Turk_West_BlackSea
18.96935687 Turk_South
19.26778140 Turk_Anatolia
19.59365969 Tajik_Tajikistan
19.84778829 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
20.07144987 Turk_Central_West
20.42693810 Karachay
20.84205364 Balkar
22.02490863 Turk_Trakya
22.10006335 Turk_Central_East
22.43473200 Iran_Khorasan
22.47155535 Azerbaijani
22.66860163 Turk_Southeast
22.75308331 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
He's not mixed, a normal Nogai from the North Caucasus. I think it's from Serganover, so it must have been shared here before.Quote:
Originally Posted by RatCat
Yes it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Yes. Also, Manav means "Yörüklerin yürümeyeni", can be translated as "the one that is not walking among the walking ones."Quote:
Originally Posted by Noble Cuman
Turkish is funny :D
Surname: Barzan. I think he is likely from Kirkuk as I know of a Kurdish Barzan family from Kirkuk.
Gedrosia 23.61 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.43 Pct
Atlantic_Med 8.33 Pct
North_European 5.65 Pct
South_Asian 2.94 Pct
East_African 1.00 Pct
Southwest_Asian 15.33 Pct
East_Asian 2.35 Pct
Caucasus 40.32 Pct
Sub_Saharan
Distance to: Barzan
3.18893399 Turkmen_Iraq
3.33121599 Kurd_Sorani
3.40674331 Kurd_Kurmanji
3.65282083 Zaza
4.18785148 Yazidi
5.18173716 Talysh_Azerbaijan
5.39291201 Azerbaijani_Iran
5.66763619 Lur_Iran
6.13670922 Kurd_KAZ
6.56597289 Azerbaijani
6.91436186 Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.22521972 Iranian
8.03976990 Turk_Southeast
8.27398332 Udi_Azerbaijan
8.30475767 Iranian_Fars
8.47692751 Iraqi_Baghdad
9.36241956 Turk_East
9.51640688 Mandean
10.15802638 Azeri_Jew
10.19470451 Iranian_Jew
10.86635634 Assyrian_North
11.09596323 Assyrian_South
11.11258746 Syrian_B
11.21329568 Turk_Central_East
11.59787912 Iran_Mazandaran
Target: Barzan
Distance: 2.0452% / 2.04517504 | ADC: 1x
48.4 Turkmen_Iraq
33.6 Zaza
18.0 Kurd_Sorani
Kurd from Dersim.
Gedrosia 23.54 Pct
Siberian 1.94 Pct
Northwest_African 0.26 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 9.87 Pct
North_European 8.30 Pct
South_Asian 1.42 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 12.19 Pct
East_Asian 1.90 Pct
Caucasus 40.59 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Distance to: Dersimi
3.23539797 Zaza
3.37464072 Kurd_Kurmanji
3.54536317 Azerbaijani_Iran
4.08613509 Azerbaijani_Turkey
4.34058752 Azerbaijani
4.91042768 Talysh_Azerbaijan
5.15348426 Yazidi
6.29825373 Turkmen_Iraq
6.43286095 Udi_Azerbaijan
6.45708138 Kurd_Sorani
6.68335245 Turk_Southeast
6.86573376 Kurd_KAZ
7.64815664 Iranian
7.65872052 Turk_East
8.08366254 Lur_Iran
8.78015376 Turk_Central_East
10.10280654 Iranian_Fars
10.23976562 Turk_South
10.54806617 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
10.69517648 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
11.10849675 Turk_Anatolia
11.13942548 Turk_Central_West
11.68469940 Iraqi_Baghdad
11.91555286 Armenian_East
12.17242375 Syrian_B
I will be posting a lot of Kurdish results because I want to start making regional averages.
You can do it for yourself of course but for the spreadsheet it's not needed. Kurds are very well represented (incl. Yazidi and Zaza). We don't need 10 different averages for Kurds with minor differences.Quote:
Originally Posted by Halgurd
Good. I hope you can split the Kurdish averages for Iraq into the modern regions, ie Kurd_Arbil, Kurd_Dohuk etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Halgurd
Also interested to see what Kurmanjis from SE Turkey score like.
I believe this is the first result of a Kurd from Maras (Pazarcik).
Gedrosia 20.94 Pct
Siberian 2.15 Pct
Northwest_African 1.12 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 9.62 Pct
North_European 5.62 Pct
South_Asian 2.46 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 13.57 Pct
East_Asian 1.22 Pct
Caucasus 42.28 Pct
Sub_Saharan
Distance to: Pazarcik
3.76493028 Zaza
4.58367756 Kurd_Kurmanji
4.98437559 Azerbaijani_Turkey
5.11510508 Azerbaijani_Iran
5.41362171 Turk_East
5.59495308 Turkmen_Iraq
5.70238547 Udi_Azerbaijan
6.04585809 Azerbaijani
6.15262546 Talysh_Azerbaijan
6.51029185 Turk_Southeast
6.53596206 Kurd_Sorani
6.72762217 Yazidi
7.88430086 Kurd_KAZ
8.22605616 Turk_Central_East
8.44088266 Azeri_Jew
8.58793922 Lur_Iran
9.03479385 Assyrian_North
9.22291169 Armenian_East
9.25105399 Assyrian_South
9.30688992 Mandean
9.31764992 Iranian
9.32773820 Iraqi_Baghdad
9.48226766 Iranian_Jew
9.55024083 Assyrian_West
9.74480887 Armenian_West
Unfortunately certain areas have a lack of testing done but I will try.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aren
Kurd from Qoçgiri tribe (Sivas)
Gedrosia 24.41 Pct
Siberian 1.03 Pct
Northwest_African 4.64 Pct
Southeast_Asian 1.47 Pct
Atlantic_Med 7.14 Pct
North_European 8.21 Pct
South_Asian 1.35 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 14.07 Pct
East_Asian 0.68 Pct
Caucasus 37.00 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
Isn't there some discussion about the Kocgiri that they are Kurdified Turks?Quote:
Originally Posted by Halgurd
Would be ironic, because he scores less mong than a lot of 'real' Kurds lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Kyp
Would be ironic, because he scores less mong than a lot of 'real' Kurds lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Kyp
well they would be kurdified genetically too of course, also I don't know if it's trueQuote:
Originally Posted by Dr_Maul