Serbian autosomal DNA #2

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Originally Posted by Leto

The North Atlantic is incredibly low, well below 20%! Which company did he test with?

From Ancestry. Thats written on Gedmatch.

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

that's where his ancestry is from, or where the surname appears?

Villages where that surname appears.

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Originally Posted by Dušan

From Ancestry. Thats written on Gedmatch.

Villages where that surname appears.

https://www.poreklo.rs/2012/02/16/di...ge-2/#comments

It exits in all Serbian-inhabited lands. In fact, it's actually more common in Kosovo/Southern Serbia than in Lika. But since his Baltic score is so high and he's a close match of yours, he might as well be from one of those villages you listed.

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Originally Posted by CommonSense

https://www.poreklo.rs/2012/02/16/di...ge-2/#comments

It exits in all Serbian-inhabited lands. In fact, it's actually more common in Kosovo/Southern Serbia than in Lika. But since his Baltic score is so high and he's a close match of yours, he might as well be from one of those villages you listed.

I agree.

This person is very Slavic, despite of record low North Atlantic component.
Pre-Slavic part is probably very southern, Cypriot-like.

Your ancient K13:

Target: Dimić
Distance: 2.2006% / 2.20055846
68.9 Slavic
22.4 Paleo_Balkan
8.7 Eastern_Mediterranean

Stearsolina's ancient K13:

Target: Dimić
Distance: 2.3972% / 2.39719778
67.0 Slavic
33.0 Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman

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Originally Posted by Dušan

I agree.

This person is very Slavic, despite of record low North Atlantic component.
Pre-Slavic part is probably very southern, Cypriot-like.

Your ancient K13:

Target: Dimić
Distance: 2.2006% / 2.20055846
68.9 Slavic
22.4 Paleo_Balkan
8.7 Eastern_Mediterranean

Stearsolina's ancient K13:

Target: Dimić
Distance: 2.3972% / 2.39719778
67.0 Slavic
33.0 Paleo_Balkan_&_Roman

^^^It's incorrect because Commonsense includes Myceneans in Paleo-Balkan, and Paleo-Balkan people in wider region were nothing like that genetically.
I'm probably more ancient Balkan than him in comparison, he is more Slavic and lot more Roman.

This person has actually rather low Illyrian-Thracian ancestry. He's very Slavic and very East Med.

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Originally Posted by Leto

The North Atlantic is incredibly low, well below 20%! Which company did he test with?

Similar like user Knez, he also has higher west med and low NA + high Baltic, but in his case it's explained by south Italian ancestry. Maybe people like this are more common than we think.

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Originally Posted by Stearsolina

^^^It's incorrect because Commonsense includes Myceneans in Paleo-Balkan, and Paleo-Balkan people in wider region were nothing like that genetically.
I'm probably more ancient Balkan than him in comparison, he is more Slavic and lot more Roman.

This person has actually rather low Illyrian-Thracian ancestry. He's very Slavic and very East Med.

Pre-Slavic part is very Roman indeed, vbnethios calculator:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post6944010

Target: Dimić
Distance: 2.3436% / 2.34355843
65.0 Slavic
31.5 Roman
3.5 Iron_age_Balkan

has the most med shifted pre-Slavic part compared to 200 other Serb samples.
https://i.imgur.com/xJ5TFvx.png

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Originally Posted by Dušan

Pre-Slavic part is very Roman indeed, vbnethios calculator:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post6944010

Target: Dimić
Distance: 2.3436% / 2.34355843
65.0 Slavic
31.5 Roman
3.5 Iron_age_Balkan

If I remove those two Mycenean samples plus the one labeled as "Thraco-Cimmerian", I get more or less the same results, but the distance is somewhat larger:

Target: Dimić
Distance: 3.0113% / 3.01133240
65.0 Slavic
31.6 Eastern_Mediterranean
3.4 Paleo_Balkan

You should message the guy and ask him about his ancestry.

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Originally Posted by Dušan

My match from Gedmatch.
Surname Dimić.

Димић – Дивосело, Госпић, Д. Лапац, Острвица, В. Попина, Прљево (Зрмања)

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 33.19
2 West_Med 18.12
3 North_Atlantic 17.89
4 East_Med 17.69
5 West_Asian 9.71
6 Red_Sea 1.76
7 Oceanian 1.09
8 East_Asian 0.37
9 Siberian 0.18

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 9.07
2 Bulgarian 9.27
3 Romanian 9.81
4 Serbian 10
5 Croatian 11.7
6 Hungarian 15.24
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 16.67
8 Greek_Thessaly 16.82
9 Ukrainian 17.59
10 South_Polish 18.22
11 Austrian 19.27
12 Southwest_Russian 19.78
13 East_German 20.04
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 20.05
15 Polish 21.07
16 Russian_Smolensk 22.1
17 Estonian_Polish 22.43
18 Tatar 23.19
19 Belorussian 23.27
20 Central_Greek 23.46

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 68.4% Ukrainian + 31.6% Cyprian @ 5.15
2 76.3% Bulgarian + 23.7% Erzya @ 5.71
3 62.7% Estonian_Polish + 37.3% Cyprian @ 5.72
4 54.5% Greek_Thessaly + 45.5% Southwest_Russian @ 5.74
5 54.9% Greek_Thessaly + 45.1% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 5.8
6 59.8% Greek_Thessaly + 40.2% Erzya @ 5.84
7 54% Central_Greek + 46% Lithuanian @ 5.84
8 54.6% Southwest_Russian + 45.4% Central_Greek @ 5.85
9 57.7% Lithuanian + 42.3% Cyprian @ 5.87
10 70% Ukrainian_Lviv + 30% Cyprian @ 5.88
11 62.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 37.6% Algerian_Jewish @ 5.9
12 62.9% Greek_Thessaly + 37.1% Lithuanian @ 5.9
13 71.7% Ukrainian + 28.3% Samaritan @ 5.94
14 72.6% Bulgarian + 27.4% Southwest_Russian @ 5.95
15 72.3% Ukrainian + 27.7% Lebanese_Christian @ 5.96
16 51.2% Estonian_Polish + 48.8% Central_Greek @ 5.99
17 63.1% Russian_Smolensk + 36.9% Cyprian @ 6
18 62.8% Southwest_Russian + 37.2% Algerian_Jewish @ 6.01
19 79.1% Bulgarian + 20.9% Lithuanian @ 6.02
20 73.1% Bulgarian + 26.9% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 6.04

Updated K13
Distance to: Dimić
7.34616226 Moldova_average
7.62430980 Serb_Serbia_South
7.68426314 Moldova_South
7.76853268 Moldova_Centre
8.11608280 Serb_Herzegovina
8.27299825 Serb
8.30440847 Serb_Serbia_Central
8.30767115 Serb_Bosnia
8.37197109 Bulgaria_Northwestern
8.50578627 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
8.53304166 Romania_Maramures
8.57709741 Bosniak
8.65015029 Serb_Croatia
8.80435688 Pomak_Bulgaria
8.98503756 Romania_Moldavia_North
9.00451553 Moldova_North
9.17427926 Romania_average
9.18822616 Romania_Banat
9.20201065 Montenegrin
9.22038502 Serb_Serbia_West
9.39061233 Pomak_Greece
9.56513983 Romania_Dobruja
9.56727234 Romania_Moldavia_South
9.76182872 Romania_Wallachia
9.78368540 Romania_Muntenia

Is the the one with the same y-DNA as Dima, an Albanian that posted here

not sure if posted before, Serb from Lika/Dalmatia (has GEDCOM), my mother's match

Spoiler!

MP5584199

Admix Results (sorted):

1 North_Atlantic 30.92
2 Baltic 26.69
3 West_Med 17.93
4 East_Med 13.87
5 West_Asian 6.81
6 Oceanian 1.36
7 South_Asian 1.29
8 Red_Sea 0.62
9 Siberian 0.42
10 East_Asian 0.09

Single Population Sharing:

1 Serbian 5.26
2 Hungarian 7.61
3 Romanian 8.34
4 Austrian 8.6
5 Moldavian 9.71
6 Croatian 10.38
7 East_German 10.39
8 Bulgarian 11
9 West_German 12.54
10 French 13.75
11 South_Dutch 13.97
12 North_Italian 15.87
13 South_Polish 16.38
14 Ukrainian_Lviv 16.62
15 Portuguese 17.24
16 Spanish_Galicia 17.46
17 Spanish_Cataluna 17.69
18 Ukrainian 17.69
19 North_German 17.79
20 Greek_Thessaly 17.95

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

1 50.8% North_Italian + 49.2% South_Polish @ 2.04
2 60% North_Italian + 40% Belorussian @ 2.42
3 59.2% North_Italian + 40.8% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.49
4 58% North_Italian + 42% Southwest_Russian @ 2.5
5 64.2% North_Italian + 35.8% Lithuanian @ 2.54
6 52.8% North_Italian + 47.2% Ukrainian @ 2.57
7 58.5% North_Italian + 41.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.62
8 59.7% North_Italian + 40.3% Estonian_Polish @ 2.64
9 56% North_Italian + 44% Polish @ 2.65
10 63.9% East_German + 36.1% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.72
11 84.8% Hungarian + 15.2% Sardinian @ 2.75
12 51.2% North_Italian + 48.8% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.81
13 68.9% Hungarian + 31.1% North_Italian @ 2.85
14 61% Croatian + 39% North_Italian @ 2.88
15 67.3% Moldavian + 32.7% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.88
16 65.3% Moldavian + 34.7% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.96
17 53.7% South_Polish + 46.3% Tuscan @ 2.97
18 62.9% North_Italian + 37.1% Estonian @ 3.06
19 77.3% East_German + 22.7% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.13
20 88.5% Serbian + 11.5% French_Basque @ 3.16

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Originally Posted by Stearsolina

not sure if posted before, Serb from Lika/Dalmatia (has GEDCOM), my mother's match

Spoiler!

MP5584199

Admix Results (sorted):

1 North_Atlantic 30.92
2 Baltic 26.69
3 West_Med 17.93
4 East_Med 13.87
5 West_Asian 6.81
6 Oceanian 1.36
7 South_Asian 1.29
8 Red_Sea 0.62
9 Siberian 0.42
10 East_Asian 0.09

Single Population Sharing:

1 Serbian 5.26
2 Hungarian 7.61
3 Romanian 8.34
4 Austrian 8.6
5 Moldavian 9.71
6 Croatian 10.38
7 East_German 10.39
8 Bulgarian 11
9 West_German 12.54
10 French 13.75
11 South_Dutch 13.97
12 North_Italian 15.87
13 South_Polish 16.38
14 Ukrainian_Lviv 16.62
15 Portuguese 17.24
16 Spanish_Galicia 17.46
17 Spanish_Cataluna 17.69
18 Ukrainian 17.69
19 North_German 17.79
20 Greek_Thessaly 17.95

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

1 50.8% North_Italian + 49.2% South_Polish @ 2.04
2 60% North_Italian + 40% Belorussian @ 2.42
3 59.2% North_Italian + 40.8% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.49
4 58% North_Italian + 42% Southwest_Russian @ 2.5
5 64.2% North_Italian + 35.8% Lithuanian @ 2.54
6 52.8% North_Italian + 47.2% Ukrainian @ 2.57
7 58.5% North_Italian + 41.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.62
8 59.7% North_Italian + 40.3% Estonian_Polish @ 2.64
9 56% North_Italian + 44% Polish @ 2.65
10 63.9% East_German + 36.1% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.72
11 84.8% Hungarian + 15.2% Sardinian @ 2.75
12 51.2% North_Italian + 48.8% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.81
13 68.9% Hungarian + 31.1% North_Italian @ 2.85
14 61% Croatian + 39% North_Italian @ 2.88
15 67.3% Moldavian + 32.7% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.88
16 65.3% Moldavian + 34.7% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.96
17 53.7% South_Polish + 46.3% Tuscan @ 2.97
18 62.9% North_Italian + 37.1% Estonian @ 3.06
19 77.3% East_German + 22.7% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.13
20 88.5% Serbian + 11.5% French_Basque @ 3.16

That kit hasn't been posted before, but vbnetkhio posted several other ones uploaded with that email address, including the one of Krcun's daughter.

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Originally Posted by CommonSense

That kit hasn't been posted before, but vbnetkhio posted several other ones uploaded with that email address, including the one of Krcun's daughter.

His north Atlantic is very high!

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Originally Posted by Stearsolina

not sure if posted before, Serb from Lika/Dalmatia (has GEDCOM), my mother's match

Spoiler!

MP5584199

Admix Results (sorted):

1 North_Atlantic 30.92
2 Baltic 26.69
3 West_Med 17.93
4 East_Med 13.87
5 West_Asian 6.81
6 Oceanian 1.36
7 South_Asian 1.29
8 Red_Sea 0.62
9 Siberian 0.42
10 East_Asian 0.09

Single Population Sharing:

1 Serbian 5.26
2 Hungarian 7.61
3 Romanian 8.34
4 Austrian 8.6
5 Moldavian 9.71
6 Croatian 10.38
7 East_German 10.39
8 Bulgarian 11
9 West_German 12.54
10 French 13.75
11 South_Dutch 13.97
12 North_Italian 15.87
13 South_Polish 16.38
14 Ukrainian_Lviv 16.62
15 Portuguese 17.24
16 Spanish_Galicia 17.46
17 Spanish_Cataluna 17.69
18 Ukrainian 17.69
19 North_German 17.79
20 Greek_Thessaly 17.95

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

1 50.8% North_Italian + 49.2% South_Polish @ 2.04
2 60% North_Italian + 40% Belorussian @ 2.42
3 59.2% North_Italian + 40.8% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.49
4 58% North_Italian + 42% Southwest_Russian @ 2.5
5 64.2% North_Italian + 35.8% Lithuanian @ 2.54
6 52.8% North_Italian + 47.2% Ukrainian @ 2.57
7 58.5% North_Italian + 41.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.62
8 59.7% North_Italian + 40.3% Estonian_Polish @ 2.64
9 56% North_Italian + 44% Polish @ 2.65
10 63.9% East_German + 36.1% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.72
11 84.8% Hungarian + 15.2% Sardinian @ 2.75
12 51.2% North_Italian + 48.8% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.81
13 68.9% Hungarian + 31.1% North_Italian @ 2.85
14 61% Croatian + 39% North_Italian @ 2.88
15 67.3% Moldavian + 32.7% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.88
16 65.3% Moldavian + 34.7% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.96
17 53.7% South_Polish + 46.3% Tuscan @ 2.97
18 62.9% North_Italian + 37.1% Estonian @ 3.06
19 77.3% East_German + 22.7% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.13
20 88.5% Serbian + 11.5% French_Basque @ 3.16

the gedcoms are mixed up on that account, that's the gedcom of his mother. he's actually half from Lika/Dalmatia and half from Kolašin, Montenegro, so I didn't post him, because regionally mixed results are not too interesting.

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

the gedcoms are mixed up on that account, that's the gedcom of his mother. he's actually half from Lika/Dalmatia and half from Kolašin, Montenegro, so I didn't post him, because regionally mixed results are not too interesting.

Well in this case it's even more interesting because he is very central Euro shifted for somebody who is half Montenegrin. How do you explain that? Closer to Hungarian than Romanian average and closer to Austrian than Moldovan.

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Originally Posted by Stearsolina

Well in this case it's even more interesting because he is very central Euro shifted for somebody who is half Montenegrin. How do you explain that? Closer to Hungarian than Romanian average and closer to Austrian than Moldovan.

this is one of the Montenegrin academic samples:

Code:

mne,29.92,25.10,15.34,10.10,14.21,1.66,0.38,0.92,1.68,0.56,0.14,0.00,0.00

it's just a little bit more "southern".

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

this is one of the Montenegrin academic samples:

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mne,29.92,25.10,15.34,10.10,14.21,1.66,0.38,0.92,1.68,0.56,0.14,0.00,0.00

it's just a little bit more "southern".

Ok, but I still don't understand what is causing such high NA, Germanic medieval influence? I doubt it's from Illyrians because they were diluted by mixing with east Meds/Romans.

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Originally Posted by Stearsolina

Ok, but I still don't understand what is causing such high NA, Germanic medieval influence? I doubt it's from Illyrians because they were diluted by mixing with east Meds/Romans.

Illyrians could've had around 30 NA on average judging from these 2:

I3313_Croatia_Early_IA_2733_ybp,34.15,12.62,23.19, 10.39,15.71,3.56,0.00,0.00,0.38,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.0 0
R1_Abruzzo_Teramo_Late_Bronze_Age_Italy,28.96,13.5 9,21.58,9.88,19.66,3.43,0.00,0.00,1.43,0.99,0.48,0 .00,0.00

late Roman West Balkanians probably had around 25 on average, individual range 20-30. Slavs had a very similar range to this as well.

Well, K12b is not very different than K13.

PCA plot with European averages, and my result.
Post your result if you want to be added in pca plot.

https://i.imgur.com/T7Gxy8I.png

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Originally Posted by Dušan

Well, K12b is not very different than K13.

PCA plot with European averages, and my result.
Post your result if you want to be added in pca plot.

https://i.imgur.com/T7Gxy8I.png

Here is mine Dušan, knez01(Croatian),3.88,0.54,0,0.63,26.27,40.57,0,0, 5.66,0.29,21.85,0.32

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Originally Posted by knez01

Here is mine Dušan, knez01(Croatian),3.88,0.54,0,0.63,26.27,40.57,0,0, 5.66,0.29,21.85,0.32

You plot way closer to Serb than to Croat average.

https://i.imgur.com/KQVm1Qu.png

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Originally Posted by Dušan

You plot way closer to Serb than to Croat average.

https://i.imgur.com/KQVm1Qu.png

Yeah, on k15 and k36 Eurogenes I get Serbia as my closest plot, usually a bit more northern than the Serb average but still the closest. My cousins from Zadar plot similarly to me, usually a bit more western but still next to the Serbian average. I noticed that my fathers side which is Dalmatian/Herzegovina mixed plots much more northern (I can't test my father but I use my cousins as a reference).

Are you using this new Croat average?

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Croat,4.68,0.30,0.43,0.55,27.32,45.25,0.17,0.06,3.41,0.14,17.70,0

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

Are you using this new Croat average?

Code:

Croat,4.68,0.30,0.43,0.55,27.32,45.25,0.17,0.06,3.41,0.14,17.70,0

Yes

Code:

Albanian,4.88,0.29,1.26,0.06,28.96,23.97,0.21,0,8.54,0.29,31.43,0.12 Belorussian,3.42,1.19,0.12,0.14,22.42,58.62,0.69,0.00,1.47,0.08,11.78,0.06 Croat,4.68,0.30,0.43,0.55,27.32,45.25,0.17,0.06,3.41,0.14,17.70,0 Czech,5.06,0.50,0.39,0.21,29.22,49.34,0.57,0.03,1.98,0.06,12.58,0.07 Danish,8.05,0.21,0.12,0.12,35.84,49.66,0.34,0.02,0.25,0.02,5.38,0 Dutch,7.90,0.52,0.81,0.35,35.72,44.39,0.67,0.52,0.97,0.22,7.41,0.53 English,8.95,0.25,0.35,0.02,38.64,43.42,0.21,0.07,0.83,0.03,7.11,0.04 Estonian,2.49,3.11,0,0.16,21.83,63.85,1.85,0,0.59,0,6.12,0 French,7.91,0.00,0.20,0.00,44.44,36.54,0.00,0.00,2.50,0.00,8.41,0.00 German,7.00,0.40,0.44,0.15,32.35,48.46,0.33,0.13,1.53,0,9.04,0.16 Greek_Athens,5.40,0.38,1.46,0.27,26.85,20.60,0.16,0.13,10.50,0.34,33.64,0.25 Hungarians,4.10,0.70,0.00,0.00,27.00,48.40,0.30,0.00,3.00,0.30,16.20,0.00 Irish,10.61,0.23,0.04,0.08,39.18,44.62,0.14,0.01,0.23,0.03,4.74,0.02 Italian_Lazio,6.73,0,2.67,0.05,31.7,19.82,0.26,0.07,9.79,0.17,28.75,0 Latvian,2.96,0.71,0,0.14,19.29,68.50,0.70,0.12,0.44,0.15,6.98,0 Lithuanian,2.24,0.79,0.04,0.04,20.54,66.73,0.76,0.06,0.49,0.15,8.15,0 Moldovan,5.31,1.08,0.83,0.37,24.76,39.15,0.57,0.03,5.22,0.66,21.97,0.06 Polish,3.72,0.69,0.16,0.18,25.28,56.52,0.44,0.10,1.67,0.06,11.17,0 Romanian,5.2,0.95,0.63,0.24,26.92,34.25,0.39,0,6.23,0.49,24.68,0 Russian,3.41,1.93,0.32,0.27,20.72,57.73,0.49,0.09,1.63,0,13.41,0 Scottish,10.25,0.19,0.21,0.16,38.53,44.21,0.23,0.01,0.40,0.03,5.73,0 Serb,4.73,0.79,0.53,0.24,27.31,39.08,0.38,0.04,5.13,0.20,21.57,0.01 Slovak,5.18,0.73,0.28,0.26,26.53,50.32,0.60,0.03,2.66,0.21,13.18,0 Slovenian,4.70,0.44,0.22,0.26,28.92,45.97,0.22,0.06,3.18,0.10,15.90,0 Spanish_Castilla-Leon,5.43,0,4.31,0.20,45.13,25.39,0.22,0.24,5.29,0.13,13.30,0.35 Swedish,7.80,0.74,0.05,0.09,34.23,51.06,0.25,0,0.53,0.04,5.19,0 Ukrainian,3.75,1.29,0.31,0.51,22.43,55.65,0.56,0.08,2.08,0.18,13.01,0.16

That Russian is not my average. Use this one:

Code:

Russian,4.18,4.88,0.14,0.28,20.22,57.75,0.91,0.03,0.96,0.79,9.83,0.04

The Hungarian is also old

Code:

Hungarian,5.69,1.19,0.59,0.21,28.09,44.65,0.65,0.04,3.31,0.24,15.16,0.02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dušan

Well, K12b is not very different than K13.

PCA plot with European averages, and my result.
Post your result if you want to be added in pca plot.

https://i.imgur.com/T7Gxy8I.png

Could you se were i and wify Plot on the PCA
Milenko,5.29,0.73,0.98,0,25.94,37.56,1.54,0,0.79,0 ,22.17,0
MilenkoWife,3.03,0.32,1.23,0,27.98,40.04,0,0,5.1,0 ,22.3,0

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Originally Posted by Milenko

Could you se were i and wify Plot on the PCA
Milenko,5.29,0.73,0.98,0,25.94,37.56,1.54,0,0.79,0 ,22.17,0
MilenkoWife,3.03,0.32,1.23,0,27.98,40.04,0,0,5.1,0 ,22.3,0

You both are very close to national average, and very close to each other.

Russian and Hungarian averages updated.

https://i.imgur.com/kTC36FP.png

Could you plot us?

Code:

Stearsolina,5.57,0.73,0,0.26,27.66,44.91,0,0,2.87,0,18,0 Stears,6.15,2.05,0.96,0,23.77,44.63,1.32,0.29,3.50,0.18,17.15,0

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stearsolina

Could you plot us?

Code:

Stearsolina,5.57,0.73,0,0.26,27.66,44.91,0,0,2.87,0,18,0 Stears,6.15,2.05,0.96,0,23.77,44.63,1.32,0.29,3.50,0.18,17.15,0

You are very close to Croat average, while Stears is not so much to Hungarian.

https://i.imgur.com/25y3SpW.png

Can you also change these references?

Code:

Belarusian_Minsk,3.66,1.23,0.33,0.17,21.95,59.69,1.07,0.03,1.02,0.11,10.70,0.05 Belgian,7.56,0.17,0.66,0.09,37.35,40.90,0.43,0.10,2.17,0.12,10.34,0.06 Bulgarian_Central,5.51,0.56,0.83,0.18,25.81,32.76,0.34,0.08,7.2,0.28,26.43,0.02 Dutch,7.72,0.41,0.19,0.19,35.65,44.85,0.70,0.16,0.63,0.06,9.35,0.10 French_Northeast,7.49,0.34,1.30,0.10,38.30,37.06,0.11,0.13,3.53,0.20,11.19,0.25 Moldovan_Central,5.01,0.95,0.83,0.26,24.94,40.17,0.77,0.00,4.96,0.89,21.17,0.04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

Can you also change these references?

Code:

Belarusian_Minsk,3.66,1.23,0.33,0.17,21.95,59.69,1.07,0.03,1.02,0.11,10.70,0.05 Belgian,7.56,0.17,0.66,0.09,37.35,40.90,0.43,0.10,2.17,0.12,10.34,0.06 Bulgarian_Central,5.51,0.56,0.83,0.18,25.81,32.76,0.34,0.08,7.2,0.28,26.43,0.02 Dutch,7.72,0.41,0.19,0.19,35.65,44.85,0.70,0.16,0.63,0.06,9.35,0.10 French_Northeast,7.49,0.34,1.30,0.10,38.30,37.06,0.11,0.13,3.53,0.20,11.19,0.25 Moldovan_Central,5.01,0.95,0.83,0.26,24.94,40.17,0.77,0.00,4.96,0.89,21.17,0.04

Here:

https://i.imgur.com/JH3hNA7.png

I am trying to make ethnic-national averages, without regional.
But it is lack for Italy, Greece, Spain.

Central Moldovan and central Bulgarian are considered simply Moldovan and Bulgarian.

Code:

Albanian,4.88,0.29,1.26,0.06,28.96,23.97,0.21,0,8.54,0.29,31.43,0.12 Belgian,7.56,0.17,0.66,0.09,37.35,40.90,0.43,0.10,2.17,0.12,10.34,0.06 Belarusian,3.66,1.23,0.33,0.17,21.95,59.69,1.07,0.03,1.02,0.11,10.70,0.05 Bulgarian,5.51,0.56,0.83,0.18,25.81,32.76,0.34,0.08,7.2,0.28,26.43,0.02 Croat,4.68,0.30,0.43,0.55,27.32,45.25,0.17,0.06,3.41,0.14,17.70,0 Czech,5.06,0.50,0.39,0.21,29.22,49.34,0.57,0.03,1.98,0.06,12.58,0.07 Danish,8.05,0.21,0.12,0.12,35.84,49.66,0.34,0.02,0.25,0.02,5.38,0 Dutch,7.72,0.41,0.19,0.19,35.65,44.85,0.70,0.16,0.63,0.06,9.35,0.10 English,8.91,0.26,0.35,0.02,38.59,43.44,0.20,0.08,0.86,0.04,7.16,0.03 Estonian,2.49,3.11,0,0.16,21.83,63.85,1.85,0,0.59,0,6.12,0 French,7.49,0.34,1.30,0.10,38.30,37.06,0.11,0.13,3.53,0.20,11.19,0.25 German,7.00,0.40,0.44,0.15,32.35,48.46,0.33,0.13,1.53,0,9.04,0.16 Greek_Athens,5.40,0.38,1.46,0.27,26.85,20.60,0.16,0.13,10.50,0.34,33.64,0.25 Hungarian,5.69,1.19,0.59,0.21,28.09,44.65,0.65,0.04,3.31,0.24,15.16,0.02 Irish,10.60,0.28,0.05,0.04,39.14,44.43,0.21,0.03,0.08,0.02,5.06,0.01 Italian_Lazio,6.73,0,2.67,0.05,31.7,19.82,0.26,0.07,9.79,0.17,28.75,0 Latvian,2.96,0.71,0,0.14,19.29,68.50,0.70,0.12,0.44,0.15,6.98,0 Lithuanian,2.24,0.79,0.04,0.04,20.54,66.73,0.76,0.06,0.49,0.15,8.15,0 Moldovan,5.01,0.95,0.83,0.26,24.94,40.17,0.77,0.00,4.96,0.89,21.17,0.04 Polish,3.72,0.69,0.16,0.18,25.28,56.52,0.44,0.10,1.67,0.06,11.17,0 Romanian,5.2,0.95,0.63,0.24,26.92,34.25,0.39,0,6.23,0.49,24.68,0 Russian,4.18,4.88,0.14,0.28,20.22,57.75,0.91,0.03,0.96,0.79,9.83,0.04 Scottish,10.19,0.22,0.19,0.12,38.52,44.22,0.22,0.01,0.47,0.03,5.74,0.00 Serb,4.73,0.79,0.53,0.24,27.31,39.08,0.38,0.04,5.13,0.20,21.57,0.01 Slovak,5.18,0.73,0.28,0.26,26.53,50.32,0.60,0.03,2.66,0.21,13.18,0 Slovenian,4.70,0.44,0.22,0.26,28.92,45.97,0.22,0.06,3.18,0.10,15.90,0 Spanish_Castilla-Leon,5.43,0,4.31,0.20,45.13,25.39,0.22,0.24,5.29,0.13,13.30,0.35 Swedish,7.80,0.74,0.05,0.09,34.23,51.06,0.25,0,0.53,0.04,5.19,0 Ukrainian,3.75,1.29,0.31,0.51,22.43,55.65,0.56,0.08,2.08,0.18,13.01,0.16

Yeah, I got your idea. Shit, I forgot Portuguese and Icelandic. I assume you excluded Macedonian, Bosnian & Montenegrin on purpose.

Code:

Bosnian,4.81,0.53,0.39,0.12,25.91,42.79,0.74,0.03,4.67,0.07,19.92,0.01 Icelandic,9.57,0.48,0.16,0.06,36.34,47.89,0.29,0,0.15,0.05,5.01,0 Macedonian_Northeast&Skopje,4.54,0.36,0.68,0.21,27.65,31.03,0.08,0.02,7.28,0.21,27.89,0.05 Montenegrin,4.84,0.61,0.57,0.09,27.95,35.96,0.21,0.02,5.98,0.15,23.62,0.01 Portuguese,4.73,0.15,6.25,0.11,41.65,25.58,0.29,0.83,5.78,0.19,13.34,1.10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

Code:

Bosnian,4.81,0.53,0.39,0.12,25.91,42.79,0.74,0.03,4.67,0.07,19.92,0.01 Icelandic,9.57,0.48,0.16,0.06,36.34,47.89,0.29,0,0.15,0.05,5.01,0 Macedonian_Northeast&Skopje,4.54,0.36,0.68,0.21,27.65,31.03,0.08,0.02,7.28,0.21,27.89,0.05 Montenegrin,4.84,0.61,0.57,0.09,27.95,35.96,0.21,0.02,5.98,0.15,23.62,0.01 Portuguese,4.73,0.15,6.25,0.11,41.65,25.58,0.29,0.83,5.78,0.19,13.34,1.10

https://i.imgur.com/BJzubsA.png

These two are interesting

Code:

BalkanX,6.61,0.69,0,0,27.71,43.08,1.42,0,3.35,0,17.14,0 Ford,2.96,1.46,0.41,0,26.71,43,0,0,4.76,0.05,20.66,0

Idont like that Bosniak average because I got it closest, but it proves their Serb origin.

Distance to: Dušan
3.15838566 Bosniak
3.65034245 Moldovan
3.77189607 Serb
5.62389545 Croat
7.10482934 Montenegrin
7.67639890 Hungarian
7.68753537 Slovenian
8.92643826 Romanian
11.26346749 Bulgarian
12.21644384 Slovak
12.32342485 Czech
13.23736756 N.Macedonian
15.95412799 German
16.30242313 Belgian
16.45566772 Dutch
16.91483964 Ukrainian
16.99882643 French
18.21256160 Polish
19.88616856 English
21.06379595 Swedish
21.10580489 Danish
21.25271747 Albanian
21.32985701 Russian
21.40949789 Scottish
21.42955203 Icelandic
21.62141993 Belarusian
22.46777693 Irish
24.57478993 Portuguese
24.91874796 Italian_Lazio
25.55218386 Greek_Athens
26.61094512 Spanish_Castilla-Leon
27.64459622 Estonian
29.15410091 Lithuanian
31.47132981 Latvian

Target: Dušan
Distance: 2.4534% / 2.45340965 | ADC: 0.25x RC
91.0 Serb
9.0 Lithuanian

Distance to: Dušan
2.28855020 58.00% N.Macedonian + 42.00% Polish
2.36733953 18.80% Lithuanian + 81.20% Montenegrin
2.37227818 37.80% Belarusian + 62.20% N.Macedonian
2.38863239 50.40% Albanian + 49.60% Belarusian
2.39325315 32.00% Estonian + 68.00% N.Macedonian
2.42286464 23.80% Belarusian + 76.20% Montenegrin
2.43921860 46.00% Albanian + 54.00% Polish
2.44282916 71.40% Montenegrin + 28.60% Ukrainian
2.45340965 9.00% Lithuanian + 91.00% Serb
2.49797703 56.20% N.Macedonian + 43.80% Ukrainian
2.49986631 85.60% Serb + 14.40% Ukrainian
2.50223283 11.60% Belarusian + 88.40% Serb
2.50447566 17.40% Latvian + 82.60% Montenegrin
2.50460611 58.00% Albanian + 42.00% Lithuanian
2.51692100 8.20% Latvian + 91.80% Serb
2.52820975 31.00% Lithuanian + 69.00% N.Macedonian
2.53009382 44.20% Albanian + 55.80% Ukrainian
2.59039054 11.40% Russian + 88.60% Serb
2.59130647 19.40% Estonian + 80.60% Montenegrin
2.59304939 9.00% Estonian + 91.00% Serb
2.61562093 56.60% Albanian + 43.40% Estonian
2.62645784 22.80% Lithuanian + 77.20% Romanian
2.62871810 13.00% Polish + 87.00% Serb
2.64521254 32.20% Polish + 67.80% Romanian
2.65490764 72.40% Croat + 27.60% N.Macedonian

Slightly more East European shifted, the same as K13.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dušan

Idont like that Bosniak average because I got it closest, but it proves their Serb origin.

I know you're not a big fan of the Bosniaks :swl

Code:

Vlatko_Vuković,3.85,1.27,0,0,25.59,44.91,0.35,0,3.81,0.2,20.02,0 Bosniensis,6.09,0,1.32,0.57,27.23,39.73,0.50,0,4.78,0.39,19.39,0

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

These two are interesting

Code:

BalkanX,6.61,0.69,0,0,27.71,43.08,1.42,0,3.35,0,17.14,0 Ford,2.96,1.46,0.41,0,26.71,43,0,0,4.76,0.05,20.66,0

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

I know you're not a big fan of the Bosniaks :swl

Code:

Vlatko_Vuković,3.85,1.27,0,0,25.59,44.91,0.35,0,3.81,0.2,20.02,0 Bosniensis,6.09,0,1.32,0.57,27.23,39.73,0.50,0,4.78,0.39,19.39,0

https://i.imgur.com/1iy0Kcz.png

K12b of TA Serbs that I found on Ion Basesculs K12b topic.

https://i.imgur.com/BKKuKd2.png

Me, Dick, Ford and Decius very close.

It is interesting, because my twin on K13 was vbnetkhio. :)

A user from the poreklo forum. His ancestry is entirely from central Serbia (municipalities Trstenik, Topola, Kragujevac):

Spoiler!

Code:

Kit UL4530362 Admix Results (sorted): # Population Percent 1 Baltic 28.69 2 North_Atlantic 23.2 3 East_Med 18.65 4 West_Med 18.33 5 West_Asian 6.88 6 Red_Sea 1.77 7 East_Asian 1.17 8 Oceanian 0.99 9 Sub-Saharan 0.31 Single Population Sharing: # Population (source) Distance 1 Serbian 5.61 2 Romanian 5.85 3 Bulgarian 6.37 4 Moldavian 9.41 5 Croatian 11.52 6 Hungarian 12.39 7 Greek_Thessaly 14.01 8 Austrian 15.58 9 East_German 16.92 10 Ukrainian_Lviv 17.8 11 North_Italian 17.97 12 South_Polish 18.49 13 Tuscan 18.6 14 Ukrainian 18.75 15 West_German 20.45 16 Italian_Abruzzo 20.85 17 French 20.97 18 Central_Greek 21.18 19 West_Sicilian 21.56 20 Southwest_Russian 21.88 Mixed Mode Population Sharing: # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance 1 61.8% Ukrainian + 38.2% Italian_Jewish @ 3.42 2 61.7% Ukrainian + 38.3% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.45 3 73.1% Croatian + 26.9% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.59 4 57.6% Greek_Thessaly + 42.4% Ukrainian @ 3.6 5 63.7% Greek_Thessaly + 36.3% Estonian_Polish @ 3.69 6 73.2% Croatian + 26.8% Italian_Jewish @ 3.69 7 64.3% Greek_Thessaly + 35.7% Belorussian @ 3.69 8 67.6% Croatian + 32.4% Ashkenazi @ 3.7 9 52.8% West_Sicilian + 47.2% Estonian_Polish @ 3.73 10 57.7% West_Sicilian + 42.3% Lithuanian @ 3.75 11 53.6% Ukrainian + 46.4% West_Sicilian @ 3.77 12 68.2% Greek_Thessaly + 31.8% Lithuanian @ 3.8 13 62.1% South_Polish + 37.9% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.82 14 61.5% Greek_Thessaly + 38.5% Polish @ 3.85 15 57.3% Greek_Thessaly + 42.7% South_Polish @ 3.92 16 55.4% Croatian + 44.6% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.96 17 68% Greek_Thessaly + 32% Estonian @ 3.97 18 53.4% West_Sicilian + 46.6% Belorussian @ 4.04 19 58% Polish + 42% Algerian_Jewish @ 4.04 20 57.8% Ukrainian + 42.2% South_Italian @ 4.04

Another Serbian match. His father has ancestry from Mladenovac, a municipality on the far outskirts of Belgrade, and mother from Bosanska Krajina (Bosanski Petrovac, Banja Luka):

Spoiler!

Code:

Kit WM5957628 Admix Results (sorted): # Population Percent 1 Baltic 29.31 2 North_Atlantic 23.08 3 East_Med 17.89 4 West_Med 16.66 5 West_Asian 8.35 6 Red_Sea 2.08 7 Oceanian 1.24 8 Amerindian 0.68 9 Siberian 0.46 10 East_Asian 0.26 Single Population Sharing: # Population (source) Distance 1 Serbian 4.74 2 Romanian 5.31 3 Bulgarian 6.21 4 Moldavian 7.92 5 Croatian 10.36 6 Hungarian 11.37 7 Greek_Thessaly 14.59 8 Austrian 15.04 9 East_German 16.36 10 Ukrainian_Lviv 16.56 11 South_Polish 17.41 12 Ukrainian 17.68 13 North_Italian 19.15 14 Tuscan 19.63 15 West_German 20.27 16 Southwest_Russian 20.55 17 Polish 20.81 18 Ukrainian_Belgorod 20.95 19 Italian_Abruzzo 21.32 20 French 21.35 Mixed Mode Population Sharing: # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance 1 61.9% Greek_Thessaly + 38.1% Belorussian @ 2.08 2 61.3% Greek_Thessaly + 38.7% Estonian_Polish @ 2.13 3 66% Greek_Thessaly + 34% Lithuanian @ 2.16 4 63.7% Ukrainian + 36.3% Italian_Jewish @ 2.18 5 54.9% Greek_Thessaly + 45.1% Ukrainian @ 2.28 6 79.8% Bulgarian + 20.2% Estonian_Polish @ 2.29 7 80.2% Bulgarian + 19.8% Belorussian @ 2.3 8 70% Croatian + 30% Ashkenazi @ 2.32 9 61% Greek_Thessaly + 39% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.41 10 83% Bulgarian + 17% Lithuanian @ 2.43 11 53.2% Estonian_Polish + 46.8% South_Italian @ 2.49 12 82.9% Bulgarian + 17.1% Estonian @ 2.51 13 59% Greek_Thessaly + 41% Polish @ 2.52 14 65.8% Greek_Thessaly + 34.2% Estonian @ 2.52 15 79.9% Bulgarian + 20.1% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.57 16 58.7% Greek_Thessaly + 41.3% Southwest_Russian @ 2.57 17 63.7% Ukrainian + 36.3% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.58 18 75.4% Croatian + 24.6% Italian_Jewish @ 2.58 19 75.6% Bulgarian + 24.4% Ukrainian @ 2.58 20 51.9% South_Italian + 48.1% Lithuanian @ 2.61