Map of Europe showing WHG, Baltic HG, Yamnaya and Neolithic ancestry

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Originally Posted by Nurzat

you are confusing similarity with real descent: the resulting mix is similar to ex-Yugoslavs in terms of Slavic/Balkan ratio, however the origin is different, as the Slavic in Moldovans is directly East Slavic, moreso than in other Romanians that came back from the Balkans with some assimilated Slavic DNA already.

also, I don't know how much you know about the region, but Ukrainian last names are abundant in Suceava, Botosani and Iasi counties among already Romanianized Moldovans, which points to recent Ruthenian origin, while checking census data from 1890-to-1910 a lot of villages that used to be fully Ruthenian at the census are now fully Romanian in the same counties. other than that, Suceava county also has a lot of villages still speaking Ukrainian, i.e. ethnically preserved to this day. but there was a long process of Ruthenian-Vlach mix in Moldova region, which is not yet completed (it will be completed after complete assimilation of remaining Ukrainian speakers and with the complete assimilation of Moldovan-speaking Moldovans into Romanian-speaking Romanians, i.e. the local Moldovan dialect is slowly dying out as well)

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I know this region well I was born in it. Well you said Moldovans are just Romanianized Ruthenians but that not true all Balkanites including Moldovans are just balkan and Slavic in different ratios. Nothing more and nothing less

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Target: annihilus_g25_sim
Distance: 2.1037% / 0.02103656
40.6 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
27.0 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
25.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
2.2 Baltic_LVA_HG
2.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
1.8 Han
1.2 Levant_PPNB

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Originally Posted by ioas12

I know this region well I was born in it. Well you said Moldovans are just Romanianized Ruthenians but that not true all Balkanites including Moldovans are just balkan and Slavic in different ratios. Nothing more and nothing less

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it depends what you refer to - look at Suceava and Botosani county Moldovans that have Ukrainian last names and get results similar tu Ukrainians in nearby Chernivtsi, Ivano Frankivsk and Zakarpattia regions, those are obviously Romanianized Ruthenians. other thn that, northern half of Moldova can be modelled over 50% Ukrainian while southern tip of Moldova is over 50% non-East Slavic so you have a gradient, overall Moldovans are broadly half Ruthenian and half a mix of Vlachs and whatever other populations left their trace in the region, genetically.

actually for Moldova I would not consider all non-Slavic to be automatically Balkan, since Neolithic has been strong in the region and based on YDNA hgs there is trace of that to this day, so part of the Neolithic DNA in Moldovans must be Trypillia/Globular Amphora etc, not recent Balkanic, not all brought by Vlachs

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Originally Posted by Nurzat

it depends what you refer to - look at Suceava and Botosani county Moldovans that have Ukrainian last names and get results similar tu Ukrainians in nearby Chernivtsi, Ivano Frankivsk and Zakarpattia regions, those are obviously Romanianized Ruthenians. other thn that, northern half of Moldova can be modelled over 50% Ukrainian while southern tip of Moldova is over 50% non-East Slavic so you have a gradient, overall Moldovans are broadly half Ruthenian and half a mix of Vlachs and whatever other populations left their trace in the region, genetically.

actually for Moldova I would not consider all non-Slavic to be automatically Balkan, since Neolithic has been strong in the region and based on YDNA hgs there is trace of that to this day, so part of the Neolithic DNA in Moldovans must be Trypillia/Globular Amphora etc, not recent Balkanic, not all brought by Vlachs

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dude get over it I know you dont like Romania so you makes this theories and pure Romanians ( not recent mix or romanized Ukrainians) from seceava and botsani don't scores close to Ukrainians.they plot next to Croats and Bosnians. Moldovans are still balkan and are not different from nw Romanians. So good bye nurzat its was a riot talking to ya lol

Using a "superkit", combining my Ancestry+23andMe data:

Target: Brad
Distance: 3.5711% / 0.03571111

47.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
36.2 TUR_Barcin_N
11.8 Baltic_LVA_HG
5.0 WHG

Target: Brad
Distance: 3.5827% / 0.03582707 | ADC: 0.25x RC

45.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
36.8 TUR_Barcin_N
18.2 Baltic_LVA_HG


Seems to reflect a proper balance of my Swedish-French-UK heritage.

Target: Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
Distance: 12.6762% / 0.12676169
40.4 Baltic_LVA_HG
34.2 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
20.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
5.0 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP


Indeed, the fascinating large distance of WHG and Lithuanians to Han

Distance to: Han
0.34735917 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA:kra001
0.37317830 Nganassan
0.48627431 Saami
0.48769251 Udmurt
0.49348303 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728
0.52126315 Saami_Kola
0.54468276 Russian_Leshukonsky
0.56143009 Russian_Pinezhsky
0.56171661 Russian_Pinega
0.57033186 Russian_Krasnoborsky
0.57538314 Finnish_North
0.57677327 Finnish_East
0.57866596 Russian_Kostroma
0.58180465 Finnish_Central
0.58513745 Finnish_Southeast
0.58760165 Cossack_Kuban
0.58935769 Finnish_Southwest
0.59468352 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
0.59480874 Russian_Tver
0.59690849 Russian_Ryazan
0.59733799 Russian_Yaroslavl
0.60141484 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
0.60171141 Ukrainian_Dnipro
0.60270627 Russian_Kursk
0.60297861 Russian_Orel
0.60387020 Cossack_Ukrainian
0.60564793 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
0.60661277 Russian_Kaluga
0.60735750 Ukrainian_Sumy
0.60766398 Russian_Belgorod
0.60792130 Estonian
0.60800386 Russian_Voronez
0.60835662 Ukrainian_Chernihiv
0.60847263 Ukrainian_Zhytomyr_o
0.60946295 Ukrainian_Lviv
0.60957490 Ukrainian_Rivne
0.60984014 Russian_Pskov
0.61029266 Swedish
0.61029729 Croatian
0.61103146 Russian_Smolensk
0.61217182 Czech
0.61231877 Ukrainian_Zhytomyr
0.61262764 Norwegian
0.61293263 Polish
0.61300693 Polish_Silesian
0.61331332 Dutch
0.61388988 German_Hamburg
0.61408151 Lithuanian_PA
0.61462521 German_Erlangen
0.61480197 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
0.61519584 Scottish
0.61525512 German
0.61527920 Cypriot
0.61530034 Orcadian
0.61665963 Lithuanian_VA
0.61699294 Lithuanian_RA
0.61700555 Icelandic
0.61868701 Latvian
0.61875161 German_East
0.61942106 Polish_Kashubian
0.61968919 Lithuanian_VZ
0.62045546 Lithuanian_PZ
0.62074097 Lithuanian_SZ
0.64666917 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
0.65923237 TUR_Barcin_N
0.67251125 Baltic_LVA_HG
0.70899154 WHG