ya i know i was just beeing goofy:tongueQuote:
Originally Posted by Leo
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ya i know i was just beeing goofy:tongueQuote:
Originally Posted by Leo
J2 is neolthic marker it's origins lay in what is now Northern Iraq.
Bow down to your Kurgan overlords. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by AlexDelarge
well we have to be honest folks we cant rely to much on haplogroupe info just jet, i mean they havent tested enufd people so we can be totaly sure, what have they tested between 100-500 people in each countrie, with people from 4 milion to god knows how many milions, they have just taken results from maby does 500 people ad estimated that thpe hole nation has the same results.
R1b/R1a originated outside of Europe too. Just saying.
But we took over. That must mean "europeans" were weaklings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joseph Capelli
You R1b/R1a guys had better weapons than anyone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlexDelarge
http://artfrombooks.com/bmz_cache/3/...ge.400x200.jpg
R-U106 is the superior haplogroup!:thumb001:
http://i.imgur.com/sDgmx.jpg
This darker "Anglo-Saxon" is surely Celtic thrall.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pallantides
I got first results today (deep-clade-test not finished yet).
I was surprised to find out I was I1.
I was expecting I2a1b1 (former I2a2a in the Y2010 tree), maybe R1a or even E1b1b was more likely I thought.
I had a look in a study from 2010, acording to this I1 frequency is almost 8% in Serbia and about the same for Montenegro (fourth place haplogroup).
I1 is a Y chromosome haplogroup associated with Nordic ethnicity and occurs at greatest frequency in Scandinavia.
Serbien viking :thumb001:
Or maybe a Serbian Sami or Finn(they too have very high frequency of I1):pQuote:
Originally Posted by Milenko
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Originally Posted by Viljuska
This could be from the goths that were settled south of Danube.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goths
You say you also have red hair gene,might be also from some member of varangian guard (varagian guard were paid vikings fighting as an elite unit for Byzantin Empire) that settled in Montenegro and marryed a local woman.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varangian_guard
If you are also very tall,is very likely you have ancestor a varangian guard member.
(goths were not too tall).
:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Milenko
Maybe, who knows? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Pallantides
Rufosity is noticable on my maternal grandmothers side of the family, it should come from there.Quote:
Originally Posted by mihaitzateo
Males are all less tall on my mothers side (maybe 1,80-1,85).
Like I mentioned before my uncle has pure red beard, so he could maybe pass as a Ostrogoth :D
However, this Y-DNA result is mine.
On my fathers side males have much stronger dinarid element and also darker and taller (1,86-1,96).
My patternal grandfather was Dinarid-Cromagnoid so he could not fit those nordic warrior types I think.
Anyway.. we can not tie Y-DNA haplogroups to phenotypes :)
But I think Goth invasion/movement is the most reasonable explanation for I1 people in Serbia and Montenegro.
My ancestry is from Old Herzegovina, there is a town in this area...
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The present-day town of Nikšic developed around the Onogošt fortification.
The earliest remains of the Onogošt fortification date back to the 5-6th century. It was built by the East Goths. The name Anagastum derived from the gothic proper name. (I think it was the name of Goth military leader Anagast). In the Middle Ages, from Anagastum the name Onogošt derived.
dont spoil it now :mad: sami and finns are sweds in denial :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Pallantides
Sami and finns have most present haplogrup N1C1.Swedes got most present I1.
However,at sami and finns 2nd present haplogrup is I1.
Sami have a bit more N1c than I1 that is true, the Norwegian-Saami are roughly 38-40% I1.
I2b1, via a paternal German lineage. This is more common in Germany than anywhere else.
Relative of Savant! ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by MNKraut
Have you tested any SNP's yet?Quote:
Originally Posted by Artek
No, but admin of project said to me that I have 2 SNP's possible : Z280 or Young Scandinavian.Quote:
Originally Posted by cmd_
I will upgrade my test to 67 markers so it may reveal something new
Young Scandinavian? Do you mean Z284? I have tested both Z280 and M458 but they resulted negative. Only Z284 remains for me but it's very unlikely to be positive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Artek
If my Z284 comes negative, then I belong to a rare paragroup of Z283.
Young scandinavian is precisely L448, a subclade of Z284 group.Quote:
Originally Posted by cmd_
R1b
My cousin just got his results in and he is Ydna haplogroup I2b1.
If Z284 comes positive, then you are a Varangian Guard ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by cmd_
We'll see, in 2 weeks. ;) I doubt it though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Artek
I'm waiting for the results of Z280 now :). I'm curious about my possible pending results.Quote:
Originally Posted by cmd_
The closest guy matching me was Gustafsson from Sweden and West from the USA, so possibility of having Z280 negative is high.
If Z284, it would be one of the few "Scandinavians" in Poland. If not Z284 then maybe Z283(like you). My Y-STR results are somewhat unique.
There's Z280 in Sweden, so that might be why you've got a close match there. However, haplotypes within the paragroup R1a-Z283 are often very similar, so STRs could show a close link, and then SNPs might show R1a-Z284 for one lineage and R1a-Z280 for the closely matching one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Artek
But I'm sure they already told you that at the subclades project. It'll be interesting to see what you get. It'd be nice to uncover the first Z284 in Poland, because that would increase the already considerable SNP variance we have there.
2 Guys who are matching me most belong to Z284 clade and one guy belongs to Z280. That's why the situation is weird :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Polako
I hadn't noticed that situation since admin told me about my ambiguous Y-STR results.
R1b... boring. :(
Y-DNA: T
Particular subclad is found among Crimean and Pontic Greeks, despite my paternal ancestry traces to NorthWest Caucasus so probably a Black sea thing.
My test for Z284 resulted negative, as expected. It looks like I do belong to a rare paragroup of Z283*. I'm currently awaiting my test for Z282 to be finnished.Quote:
Originally Posted by Artek
Whatever the haplogroup is for North Europe.
Z282? Something recently discovered, I suppose.Quote:
Originally Posted by cmd_
http://s1.bild.me/bilder/060112/9922056Z282.png
Yes, it is. One of the admins at R1a and subclades, Michel, suggests that all Z283* should test the latest Z282 SNP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Artek
Is it true true that it is still not known whether Z282 is an ancestral type to Z283 or not? The scheme indicates two possible directions but it could be out of date.Quote:
Originally Posted by cmd_
This is nothing what I know of. According to a Polish guy from another forum, Z282 has not yet been tested with M458.Quote:
Originally Posted by Artek
My best advice is to ask Michel.
R1a1a1g, although this subclade is constantly changing due to new findings. This subclade is most typically associated with the Slavic people, probably originating in modern day Poland, or its surrounds.
I tested positive for Z280. Scytho-sarmatian pride world wide.