Gedmatch calculators on Vahaduo

Mountain Jewish averages, credit to waam who is half MJ himself

Eurogenes K13:
Mountain_Jew,2.25,1.09,10.69,33.83,38.08,8.06,4.87 ,0.17,0,0.61,0.18,0.18,0

Dodecad K12b:
Mountain_Jew,18.87,0.20,1.92,0.39,9.89,2.29,1.11,0 .05,18.18,0.03,47.04,0.03

I noticed there is a lack of some national averages on K13, so I thought of creating an aggregate, based on the regions within that country. I didn't take islands into consideration (made a separate average for them), since they tend to be more unique compared to continental population. I'm not saying they are perfect, but why shouldn't these people also have one national average? They can be perfected later on.

French,42.85,16.74,22.72,4.28,9.36,1.58,0.63,0.27, 0.34,0.47,0.31,0.25,0.21
Dutch,47.87,24.35,13.26,5.8,5.06,0.93,1.11,0.11,0. 61,0.23,0.12,0.1,0.09
German,42.55,27.33,13.23,6.71,6.4,0.91,1.29,0.06,0 .24,0.47,0.32,0.32,0.18
Spanish,40.45,10.02,27.74,2.32,12.96,2.9,0.58,0.31 ,0.27,0.35,0.26,1.13,0.69
Italian,26.51,11.18,22.71,10.53,23.91,3.64,0.25,0. 23,0.1,0.24,0.32,0.24,0.11
Greek_Islander,14.86,7.68,20.44,17.35,32.05,5.32,0 .41,0.45,0.41,0.25,0.25,0.36,0.1
Greek,19.35,16.29,20.51,13.35,25.39,3.12,0.24,0.35 ,0.44,0.34,0.35,0.17,0.05
Sicilian,18.8,8.31,21.98,12.34,29.29,5.67,0.66,0.3 2,0.12,0.09,0.5,1.18,0.76
Russian,26.33,48.01,8.17,6.05,3.86,0.76,1.62,0.21, 3.22,0.98,0.35,0.26,0.17

Why have Kurdish Jews been removed from Vahaduo?

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

these have extra components in the current sheet, these are the correct versions:
(i also renamed Bosniak_Bosnia_NE&Central to Bosniak_Bosnia_proper)

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Gagauz,19.35,23.14,17.99,12.57,21.48,2.9,0.52,0.25,0.69,0.4,0.64,0.06,0

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Originally Posted by Lucas

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Are these just the 10 academic samples?

If so then this one is more accurate, as it's made of those 10 + 2 that I collected personally.

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Moldova_South_Gagauzia,19.56,22.60,18.18,13.67,20.38,2.04,0.78,0.56,1.06,0.26,0.40,0.36,0.15

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Please call it Moldova_South_Gagauzia instead of Gagauz

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

Are these just the 10 academic samples?

If so then this one is more accurate, as it's made of those 10 + 2 that I collected personally.

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Moldova_South_Gagauzia,19.56,22.60,18.18,13.67,20.38,2.04,0.78,0.56,1.06,0.26,0.40,0.36,0.15

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Please call it Moldova_South_Gagauzia instead of Gagauz

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it was made by Leto, from the 12 samples from Yunusbayev 2015.
and the 10 Gagauz sample set is from a different study.

i think these 2 averages should be averaged, since they both contain 12 samples.

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Moldova_South_Gagauzia,19.46,22.87,18.09,13.12,20.93,2.47,0.65,0.41,0.88,0.33,0.52,0.21,0.08

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btw , why not Gagauz_Moldova_Gagauzia or something like that?
it's an ethnicity, not just a region.

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

it was made by Leto, from the 12 samples from Yunusbaev 2015.
and the 10 Gagauz sample set is from a different study.

i think these 2 averages should be averaged, since they both contain 12 samples.

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Moldova_South_Gagauzia,19.46,22.87,18.09,13.12,20.93,2.47,0.65,0.41,0.88,0.33,0.52,0.21,0.08

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btw , why not Gagauz_Moldova_Gagauzia or something like that?
it's an ethnicity, not just a region.

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Or just use this average of the two of them.
I use the standard Country_Region for the titular nation. If the person is from an ethnic minority background then I also add another underscore to specify the ethniciy. It should be Moldova_South_Gagauz. Well spotted.

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Originally Posted by Lucas

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You removed Romania_Moldavia_North by accident. Please add it back.

Eurogenes K13

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Romania_Moldavia_North,24.60,30.68,15.10,9.25,14.60,1.71,0.73,0.67,1.30,0.61,0.47,0.15,0.11

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An updated Welsh K15 average, now based on 26 kits

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Welsh,37.40,28.53,9.59,9.35,9.03,4.18,0.13,0.16,0.65,0.02,0.14,0.36,0.21,0.13,0.05

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As Leto requested, English_mixed (54 kits) and Irish (15 kits) averages for Dodecad K12B, as the currently British Isles averages are so bad.

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English_mixed,8.87,0.26,0.33,0.02,38.66,43.42,0.23,0.07,0.92,0.03,7.09,0.05
Irish,10.69,0.18,0.04,0.09,39.18,44.51,0.09,0.02,0.10,0.05,4.97,0.02

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And there's an error in K15 updated, Iranian Jewish only has 13 numbers.

Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Creoda

As Leto requested, English_mixed (54 kits) and Irish (15 kits) averages for Dodecad K12B, as the currently British Isles averages are so bad.

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English_mixed,8.87,0.26,0.33,0.02,38.66,43.42,0.23,0.07,0.92,0.03,7.09,0.05
Irish,10.69,0.18,0.04,0.09,39.18,44.51,0.09,0.02,0.10,0.05,4.97,0.02

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Thank you very much. Dod K12b currently needs the British Isles, Spain and Scandinavia. Hopefully some members will contribute (Aren is the best source of Scando data on this site)

Luke, delete the following please:

Argyll
British
British_Isles
Cornwall
English
English_Kent
Irish
Orkney
Orcadian
CEU30

@Creoda, any chance to get Scottish as well? Welsh can be done without, I think, as it's the smallest British country (excl. Northern Ireland).

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Originally Posted by Leto

Thank you very much. Dod K12b currently needs the British Isles, Spain and Scandinavia. Hopefully some members will contribute (Aren is the best source of Scando data on this site)

Luke, delete the following please:

Argyll
British
British_Isles
Cornwall
English
English_Kent
Irish
Orkney
Orcadian
CEU30

@Creoda, any chance to get Scottish as well? Welsh can be done without, I think, as it's the smallest British country (excl. Northern Ireland).

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Yeah, I only have about 10 Scottish kits altogether though, haven't focused on it.

My new dodecad averages (+family) in amongst the old averages

https://i.postimg.cc/633YVLNF/dodecadk12bnew.png

I don't know which clown made these old averages, but they're kind of impossible.

Is the Dutch one okay? Mixed_NW_Euro is not bad, some kind of White American. French/French2 was added by someone.
Iberia is the same story as Britain by the way.

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Originally Posted by Leto

Is the Dutch one okay? Mixed_NW_Euro is not bad, some kind of White American. French/French2 was added by someone.
Iberia is the same story as Britain by the way.

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I don't know, most of them seem a bit dodgy. German looks like East German. Don't see much point in a mixed NW Euro average.

Dodedcad had the calculator effect issues, where the original averages will be very different to what you made. Was very messy.

Why I don't bother with it.

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Originally Posted by Creoda

My new dodecad averages (+family) in amongst the old averages

https://i.postimg.cc/633YVLNF/dodecadk12bnew.png

I don't know which clown made these old averages, but they're kind of impossible.

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Well I can tell you the Scandinavian averages are terrible too. I just ran through some Swedes with this calculator and most scored 50-52% North Euro and 34-35% Atlantic Med. Nowhere near the spreadsheet average.

I can't go wrong with any calculator because my ancestry is so consistent (I'm basically a Serbian genetically). This is what I like the most about my ancestry, it's so ,,simple'' and mostly pure.

Many DNA tests give me chaotic results, but one thing is sure: I'm mostly a BALKANER.

Eurogenes K13
Target: Chris
Distance: 1.7868% / 1.78683524 | ADC: 0.25x
34.0 Serb_Croatia_Kordun&Banija
24.4 Bosniak_Bosnia_proper
17.6 Serb_Croatia_Dalmatia
12.2 Moldova_average
7.0 Turk_Razgrad
3.0 Bulgarian_Burgas
1.0 Macedonian_Greece
0.8 She

Dodecad K12b Updated
Target: Chris
Distance: 2.5974% / 2.59737609 | ADC: 0.25x
96.2 Serb
2.2 Georgian_Mingrelian
0.6 Japanese
0.6 Nogais
0.4 JPT30

HarappaWorld
Target: Chris
Distance: 0.9760% / 0.97604719 | ADC: 0.25x
90.2 Serbian
7.6 Italian
0.8 Daur
0.4 Mongolian
0.4 Tibetan
0.2 Basque
0.2 Dominican
0.2 Spaniard2

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Originally Posted by Chris596

I can't go wrong with any calculator because my ancestry is so consistent (I'm basically a Serbian genetically). This is what I like the most about my ancestry, it's so ,,simple'' and mostly pure.

Many DNA tests give me chaotic results, but one thing is sure: I'm mostly a BALKANER.

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Just like John Kennedy famously said back in the 1960s while visiting West Germany - ich bin ein Berliner. Chris can say "ich bin ein Balkaner" :swl

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Originally Posted by Aren

Well I can tell you the Scandinavian averages are terrible too. I just ran through some Swedes with this calculator and most scored 50-52% North Euro and 34-35% Atlantic Med. Nowhere near the spreadsheet average.

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I am especially interested in seeing a Danish average once you get around to doing Scandinavia for that calculator

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Originally Posted by Leto

I am especially interested in seeing a Danish average once you get around to doing Scandinavia for that calculator

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I probably will but I gotta tell you I'm not a fan of this calculator either for Northern Europeans that is. There are only two relevant components, one based on Basques(Atlantic-Med) and one on Lithuanians(North European), which is pretty meh to me.

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Originally Posted by Leto

I am especially interested in seeing a Danish average once you get around to doing Scandinavia for that calculator

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I probably will but I gotta tell you I'm not a fan of this calculator either for Northern Europeans that is. There are only two relevant components, one based on Basques(Atlantic-Med) and one on Lithuanians(North European), which is pretty meh to me.

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Originally Posted by Aren

I probably will but I gotta tell you I'm not a fan of this calculator either for Northern Europeans that is. There are only two relevant components, one based on Basques(Atlantic-Med) and one on Lithuanians(North European), which is pretty meh to me.

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Well, inaccurate references may skew the oracle for others too. I'm planning to have a few references deleted because they are so atrocious. Basque for example. 70% Atlantic Med can't be real. Or Japanese being 100% East Asian.

Western Euro TA members with the old DodecadK12b references

https://i.postimg.cc/76WKCbb3/dodecadk12b2.png

May as well get rid of all the old Iberian averages too, and use averages of Spanish/Portuguese members to replace them.

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Originally Posted by Creoda

Western Euro TA members with the old DodecadK12b references

https://i.postimg.cc/76WKCbb3/dodecadk12b2.png

May as well get rid of all the old Iberian averages too, and use averages of Spanish/Portuguese members to replace them.

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Spain is too big a country with certain regional differences but for Portugal I'm going to use all the Portuguese members' results (banned or active). The country is not very large and fairly homogenous.

New Sardinian average for Dodecad K12b (5 samples from dududud and 1 from FilhoV)

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Sardinian,0,0,4.61,0,56.43,7.79,0,0,8.75,0.04,22.34,0

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Oh since you're back I'm going to send you a message, a few more things need to be deleted/added :)

All last updates are done.

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Originally Posted by Lucas

All last updates are done.

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Please delete all the Bulgarian Eurogenes K13 averages and replace with these.

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Bulgaria_Northeastern,22.15,22.37,17.46,13.43,19.44,2.56,0.46,0.32,0.49,0.24,0.29,0.11,0.10
Bulgaria_Northcentral,21.30,24.45,17.41,11.88,19.86,2.33,0.65,0.28,0.99,0.37,0.28,0.07,0.14
Bulgaria_Northwestern,22.04,26.19,17.58,10.15,19.05,2.31,0.40,0.52,0.70,0.51,0.38,0.07,0.09
Bulgaria_Southeastern,20.13,21.81,18.44,13.87,20.44,2.92,0.43,0.30,0.48,0.44,0.47,0.11,0.07
Bulgaria_Southcentral,21.22,23.73,18.05,11.66,20.32,2.41,0.57,0.37,0.85,0.21,0.29,0.24,0.04
Bulgaria_Southwestern,22.85,24.04,17.87,11.48,18.68,2.26,0.58,0.51,0.85,0.44,0.33,0.06,0.06
Bulgaria_average,21.80,24.15,17.82,11.65,19.51,2.40,0.53,0.42,0.77,0.38,0.33,0.11,0.08

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Official thread is here: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...Dmatch-Results

North African averages for Dodecad are also horrible (comparing to actual NAs like Nassbean, Adamm and a few others) but I can't possibly update them. Maybe someone could at least provide the old Eurogenes data which seems to be much better.

Updated German average for Dodecad (taken from here)

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German,7.00,0.40,0.44,0.15,32.35,48.46,0.33,0.13,1.53,0,9.04,0.16

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

Please delete all the Bulgarian Eurogenes K13 averages and replace with these.

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Bulgaria_Northeastern,22.15,22.37,17.46,13.43,19.44,2.56,0.46,0.32,0.49,0.24,0.29,0.11,0.10
Bulgaria_Northcentral,21.30,24.45,17.41,11.88,19.86,2.33,0.65,0.28,0.99,0.37,0.28,0.07,0.14
Bulgaria_Northwestern,22.04,26.19,17.58,10.15,19.05,2.31,0.40,0.52,0.70,0.51,0.38,0.07,0.09
Bulgaria_Southeastern,20.13,21.81,18.44,13.87,20.44,2.92,0.43,0.30,0.48,0.44,0.47,0.11,0.07
Bulgaria_Southcentral,21.22,23.73,18.05,11.66,20.32,2.41,0.57,0.37,0.85,0.21,0.29,0.24,0.04
Bulgaria_Southwestern,22.85,24.04,17.87,11.48,18.68,2.26,0.58,0.51,0.85,0.44,0.33,0.06,0.06
Bulgaria_average,21.80,24.15,17.82,11.65,19.51,2.40,0.53,0.42,0.77,0.38,0.33,0.11,0.08

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Official thread is here: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...Dmatch-Results

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@Leto
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Originally Posted by Leto

Well, inaccurate references may skew the oracle for others too. I'm planning to have a few references deleted because they are so atrocious. Basque for example. 70% Atlantic Med can't be real. Or Japanese being 100% East Asian.

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It is like adding to K36 for example K36 French reference which was obviously 100% French. It is nonsene. Why Dienekes didn't recognize he was wrong here and added for every region such ref:)

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Originally Posted by Lucas

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@Leto
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I don't see the Spanish, Chuvash, Icelandic ones from my last message.

I think Baloch and Makrani should be deleted too. 60+ percent Gedrosia is not possible for a real person to score.
@Kyp, what do you think?

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Originally Posted by Leto

I think Baloch and Makrani should be deleted too. 60+ percent Gedrosia is not possible for a real person to score.
@Kyp, what do you think?

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are there some Baloch kits around?

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Originally Posted by Kyp

are there some Baloch kits around?

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I don't have any. Have seen only some academic ones so far. Maybe you can find others through Iranian channels ;)
For now, that should be deleted IMO.

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Originally Posted by Leto

I don't see the Spanish, Chuvash, Icelandic ones from my last message.

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All your Dodecad updates done.

Can you also add JohnnyP's Macedonian samples for Eurogenes K13 and remove older ones?

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...kits-28/page30

Spoiler!

MacedonianGreeceNorthWest,23.07,20.97,20.1,9.97,22 .17,2.2 4,0.15,0.22,0.3,0.44,0.25,0.02,0.09
MacedonianSouthEast,22.37,20.26,20.59,10.92,21.04, 3.11,0.00,0.33,0.48,0.37,0.44,0.1,0.05
MacedonianPelagonia,21.81,20.73,20.08,11.49,20.85, 3.31,0.2,0.35,0.47,0.14,0.47,0.31,0.08
MacedonianWest,22.19,20.84,19.84,10.58,21.61,2.23, 1.12,0.87,0.04,0.00,0.66,0.00,0.00
MacedonianSouthWest,20.8,20.55,20.28,11.37,21.29,3 .3,0.55,0.77,0.3,0.33,0.41,0.03,0.00
MacedonianEast,22.82,21.64,19.6,11.18,21.02,2.13,0 .09,0.46,0.61,0.05,0.25,0.00,0.16
MacedonianNorth,22.45,22.91,19.21,10.67,19.84,2.68 ,0.3,0.19,0.68,0.47,0.4,0.06,0.12
MacedonianCentral,22.06,21.78,19.54,11.45,21.5,1.4 2,0.1,0.39,0.92,0.33,0.4,0.08,0.03
MacedonianNorthWest,23.78,22.58,19.06,10.84,21.76, 2.16,0.25,0.19,0.44,0.29,0.57,0.00,0.08
MacedonianNorthEast,21.02,22.9,19.65,10.79,22.57,1 .97,0.00,0.57,0.00,0.28,0.24,0.00,0.00
MACEDONIAN_AVERAGE,22.14,21.76,19.68,10.90,21.19,2 .43,0.22,0.39,0.48,0.28,0.40,0.05,0.07

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All your Dodecad updates done.

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Kurwa thank you so fucking much! :cool:

No new additions for now but please delete Balochi, Makrani, Brahui and Avar_Dagestan. Also, waam didn't specify Mountain Jewish as being from Chechnya. I think most MJs lived in Azerbaijan and Dagestan.

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Can you also add JohnnyP's Macedonian samples for Eurogenes K13 and remove older ones?

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...kits-28/page30

Spoiler!

MacedonianGreeceNorthWest,23.07,20.97,20.1,9.97,22 .17,2.2 4,0.15,0.22,0.3,0.44,0.25,0.02,0.09
MacedonianSouthEast,22.37,20.26,20.59,10.92,21.04, 3.11,0.00,0.33,0.48,0.37,0.44,0.1,0.05
MacedonianPelagonia,21.81,20.73,20.08,11.49,20.85, 3.31,0.2,0.35,0.47,0.14,0.47,0.31,0.08
MacedonianWest,22.19,20.84,19.84,10.58,21.61,2.23, 1.12,0.87,0.04,0.00,0.66,0.00,0.00
MacedonianSouthWest,20.8,20.55,20.28,11.37,21.29,3 .3,0.55,0.77,0.3,0.33,0.41,0.03,0.00
MacedonianEast,22.82,21.64,19.6,11.18,21.02,2.13,0 .09,0.46,0.61,0.05,0.25,0.00,0.16
MacedonianNorth,22.45,22.91,19.21,10.67,19.84,2.68 ,0.3,0.19,0.68,0.47,0.4,0.06,0.12
MacedonianCentral,22.06,21.78,19.54,11.45,21.5,1.4 2,0.1,0.39,0.92,0.33,0.4,0.08,0.03
MacedonianNorthWest,23.78,22.58,19.06,10.84,21.76, 2.16,0.25,0.19,0.44,0.29,0.57,0.00,0.08
MacedonianNorthEast,21.02,22.9,19.65,10.79,22.57,1 .97,0.00,0.57,0.00,0.28,0.24,0.00,0.00
MACEDONIAN_AVERAGE,22.14,21.76,19.68,10.90,21.19,2 .43,0.22,0.39,0.48,0.28,0.40,0.05,0.07

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Excuse me but does such a small country and nation need so many averages? I mean it's one of the smallest countries in Europe (after the tiniest places like Luxembourg, etc.) and has only a little over 1 million ethnic Macedonians.

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Excuse me but does such a small country and nation need so many averages? I mean it's one of the smallest countries in Europe (after the tiniest places like Luxembourg, etc.) and has only a little over 1 million ethnic Macedonians.

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I really don't know. But these coordinates make more sense than older ones on Vahaduo. To me, all the regions look homogeneous. Using only average could work either.