Genética de españoles e hispanoamericanos

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Originally Posted by Damião de Góis

"All iron age iberians were basque like - Olalde et al"

Yeah right.

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Olalde

Apellido vasco que goza de escasa difusión, con sus principales asientos en Guipúzcoa, Vizcaya y Álava, siendo menor su presencia en Madrid, La Rioja, Barcelona, Cádiz, Asturias, Cantabria, etc. Deriva de la voz vasca -olalde- "junto a la ferrería". Tuvo su primitiva casa solar en Oñate...

https://www.heraldicafamiliar.com/?s...ueda=apellidos

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Originally Posted by Damião de Góis

"All iron age iberians were basque like - Olalde et al"

Yeah right.

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Well, they are still Basque like, but Basque like + other things...

In G25 two of them shows an extra non-European admixture (one of them of the muslim era), but rest of them seems quite similar to modern portugueses.

Some of you have the Ancient components Global Standard of Davidsky to check them better?

Coordinates are scaled, but they are not real G25 ones, just sims based on K13, we should wait to the real ones before speak, but sometimes those sims are quite accurate.

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Originally Posted by Defcon2

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Olalde

Apellido vasco que goza de escasa difusión, con sus principales asientos en Guipúzcoa, Vizcaya y Álava, siendo menor su presencia en Madrid, La Rioja, Barcelona, Cádiz, Asturias, Cantabria, etc. Deriva de la voz vasca -olalde- "junto a la ferrería". Tuvo su primitiva casa solar en Oñate...

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Íñigo Olalde Marquínez.

https://i.gyazo.com/64e94d646549efcd...9c6577c866.png

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Originally Posted by gixajo

Well, they are still Basque like, but Basque like + other things...

In G25 two of them shows an extra non-European admixture (one of them of the muslim era), but rest of them seems quite similar to modern portugueses.

Some of you have the Ancient components Global Standard of Davidsky to check them better?

Coordinates are scaled, but they are not real G25 ones, just sims based on K13, we should wait to the real ones before speak, but sometimes those sims are quite accurate.

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I always said we couldn't jump into conclusions with some basque-like samples from the northeast.

I don't have any models, i was hoping one of you had them.

I would also like to remind that these are not "portuguese". Portugal only exists since the 1100s and even the Portucalense County only exists since 868. When these samples lived they were western iberians, subjects of the Roman Empire, of some barbarian kingdoms like Alan, Suebi or Visigoth, or of the Umayyad Caliphate. So when we add them to the old models we used to run for iberians, labeling them "portuguese" is not gonna be 100% correct.

R10501 y R10507 son indistinguibles del portugués moderno.

No mundo da genética o que hoje é verdade amanhã é falso. Cada vez mais convenço-me que ao contrário do que sempre andaram a dizer somos idênticos aos nossos antepassados, quiçá até mais comparativamente a muitos demais povos Europeus. Tenho níveis de afinidade com algumas destas amostras idênticos aos que teria com algumas amostras modernas de Ibéricos.

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Originally Posted by Damião de Góis

I always said we couldn't jump into conclusions with some basque-like samples from the northeast.

I don't have any models, i was hoping one of you had them.

I would also like to remind that these are not "portuguese". Portugal only exists since the 1100s and even the Portucalense County only exists since 868. When these samples lived they were western iberians, subjects of the Roman Empire, of some barbarian kingdoms like Alan, Suebi or Visigoth, or of the Umayyad Caliphate. So when we add them to the old models we used to run for iberians, labeling them "portuguese" is not gonna be 100% correct.

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It´s not only those NE samples, also BA from many areas and North IA and LIA , quite close to NW.

But yes, it was too simple try to homogenize to just a single genetic type a peninsula that had different (although not impermeable) cultures.

Anyway it´s very interesting all this and surely we will little by little know more pieces of the puzzle.

Just know we could model ourselves quite well just with Iberian IA samples without needing of non-Iberian samples.

We could already, but always with some samples labelled with "Afr" etc...

Con todas las que hay

https://i.gyazo.com/6e873a367fa0edd7...d0deece074.png

A mi me da la sensación de que al menos en el oeste peninsular ya estaba cortado en bacalao en la época romana (aunque mucho menos homogenizados)

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Originally Posted by Damião de Góis

I always said we couldn't jump into conclusions with some basque-like samples from the northeast.

I don't have any models, i was hoping one of you had them.

I would also like to remind that these are not "portuguese". Portugal only exists since the 1100s and even the Portucalense County only exists since 868. When these samples lived they were western iberians, subjects of the Roman Empire, of some barbarian kingdoms like Alan, Suebi or Visigoth, or of the Umayyad Caliphate. So when we add them to the old models we used to run for iberians, labeling them "portuguese" is not gonna be 100% correct.

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Well, it´s just a temporary label, how could we label that average? West_Iberia_...? Premedieval, post-Roman, Hispano-Roman...LIA, pre-muslim, Visigothic_era?