Indigenous Balkan I2a1 in southern Albania

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Originally Posted by Scholarios Chiotis

Apparently, you feel like you are being raped. This is just discussion though.

Na zdravie, Brat!

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Why should i feel that way ?? You are not the only one who can troll here?
Later maybe i can learn serbo-croatian and greek why not.

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Originally Posted by Laberia

Dema, i don't understand why you decided to answer to this question. This was a question for another member.


The question for you was this:

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It is same question and same answer. I see that there are 104 Tosks tested and around 120 Ghegs. Also Tosks have more then one I-haplogroup types and some of them are I1.
I am not that familiar with I2a2 and R1a to be able to analyse this data so fast, someone who is more familiar with these haplos would be able to pull out percentages much faster and i dont have that time nor will now.
Like you see Kelmendasi already managed to find some J1 on that list.

What i can tell you 100 is too small number to make some theories and maps about it also this Eupedia map in first page is for sure representing more then just I2a-Din since you see how much of it is in Sardinia when we know that Sardinian and I2a-din split long time ago so it is not same clade of I2a2. But also we know that almost all of Balkan I2a2 is Dinaric (CTS 10228) meaning they all come out of a single man who lived 2400 years ago around Poland.

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Originally Posted by Kelmendasi

Dema what does "ISN" stand for in the table?

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I dont know.

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Originally Posted by Herr Abubu

Which study are you referring to and what's the percentage? It's very likely that you've already been told because to anyone with a brain functional enough to do basic math it should be very, very easy to figure out the number of 104 Tosks that had I2a going by the percentage of Tosks in this sample with I2a. You are truly something.

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Was difficult for you to find? Ok, no problem, here it is:

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Originally Posted by Scholarios Chiotis

http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v...g2015138a.html

Ghegs get around 6% I2+r1a combined.

Tosks about 23%

Arbereshe about 30%

(I do not count I1- brought by Normans, Goths, Catalans, etc)


You can interpret that any way your little heart desires.

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Originally Posted by Dema

I dont know.

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I think it's the code used for Arbereshe people

It's great that I was able to find more J1 Albos especially Ghegs

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Originally Posted by Herr Abubu

But yes, I agree South Slavs were greatly influenced by Albanians genetically, but by Gheg Albanians. What Y-DNA distributions tells us is that, at least paternally, Gheg Albanians have very little genetic influence from South Slavs, Tosks have many times more than Ghegs. Meaning that South Slavs assimilated Ghegs, while Tosks assimilated South Slavs.

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Talking about 1500 years ago and saying ghegs and tosk it doesn’t have much sense you think.

Basically you agree that Albanian speaking individuals are the core of the population that affected all the neighbouring countries as the study says.Or better the one that didn't assimilate throe slavization, hellenisation and latinisation. And the highest levels of IBD sharing that are found in the albanian-speaking individuals are just their link to their assimilated common ancestors.
So they are ilirians epirots dardans ???

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Originally Posted by Drawing-slim

Epic thread,lol
It only means that the rest of balkans & europe expects albanians to be so pure that finding 10 indivdual cases of I2a feels like a tragic news to them and they feel responsible to hold us accountable for it. Which i can understand;)

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E di ate shprehjen e famshme te Edi Rames? "Prisni se s`keni pare gje akoma".

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Originally Posted by Laberia

Was difficult for you to find? Ok, no problem, here it is:

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Why would I bother sifting through the thread to find it when I knew you could do it for me? It's 16.5%. See, you do the menial tasks, I do the thinking. That's how we cooperate.

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Originally Posted by Laberia

Was difficult for you to find? Ok, no problem, here it is:

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Nigjo per me gjet haplogrupin mundesh me fut te dhanat e ydna pra numrat te ky http://www.hprg.com/hapest5/hapest5a/hapest5.htm psh edhe djathtas ne kolone te del haplogrupi
Po duhet me pas kujdes qe te korrespondojne markersat qe merr me vendin ku do ti analizosh. psh DYS393 te DYS393 e parashikuesit e keshtu me rradhe ateher e gjen te sakte se sa jane e si jane se une si besoj fort asaj qe thote ai.

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Originally Posted by ilir

Nigjo per me gjet haplogrupin mundesh me fut te dhanat e ydna pra numrat te ky http://www.hprg.com/hapest5/hapest5a/hapest5.htm psh edhe djathtas ne kolone te del haplogrupi
Po duhet me pas kujdes qe te korrespondojne markersat qe merr me vendin ku do ti analizosh. psh DYS393 te DYS393 e parashikuesit e keshtu me rradhe ateher e gjen te sakte se sa jane e si jane se une si besoj fort asaj qe thote ai.

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