Target: Gil_Vicente
Distance: 2.6590% / 0.02659048
62.8 West_Iberia_LIA
37.2 Northeast_Iberia_LIA
Also,
https://i.imgur.com/UNsiXAb.png
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Target: Gil_Vicente
Distance: 2.6590% / 0.02659048
62.8 West_Iberia_LIA
37.2 Northeast_Iberia_LIA
Also,
https://i.imgur.com/UNsiXAb.png
Estas creo que son todas las IA&LIA&pre-medievales"puras" Ibéricas, quitando las de baja resolución y las que son posteriores al 711.
Están incluidas las SE_Iberia del 3-4CE que tienen NA a cascoporro pero siguen siendo pre-islámicas, y que están muy relacionadas con cartagineses.
Code:Iberia_East_IA:I12410,0.132035,0.146236,0.060339,-0.004845,0.066782,-0.005857,0,0.001385,0.034155,0.050115,-0.001137,0.012589,-0.025867,-0.012248,0.008822,0.012596,0.022687,-0.001014,-0.00729,0.008879,0.006239,0.007172,-0.009983,-0.013737,-0.001916
Iberia_East_IA:I12879,0.126344,0.151314,0.061848,0.009044,0.061242,0.006414,-0.010105,0.004154,0.014726,0.031162,-0.001786,0.009741,-0.021853,-0.015138,0.001493,-0.014187,-0.011474,-0.003041,0.013324,0.010005,0.009608,-0.004575,-0.01405,-0.007109,-0.000599
Iberia_East_IA:I3320,0.118376,0.152329,0.051288,0.004522,0.064935,-0.003347,-0.014101,0.005538,0.030679,0.049022,-0.002273,0.014237,-0.017245,-0.017203,0.005293,0.001989,0.012386,-0.005068,-0.001006,-0.004377,0.006863,0.000124,0.001972,-0.012893,-0.000359
Iberia_East_IA:I3321,0.126344,0.157407,0.065619,0.008075,0.062781,-0.013387,0.002115,0.007846,0.039064,0.045923,-0.000487,0.008692,-0.032111,-0.025873,0.011129,0.008221,0.007562,0.010642,0.007919,-0.00988,0.013601,-0.008779,-0.002465,-0.023859,-0.007544
Iberia_East_IA:I3322,0.124067,0.152329,0.05506,0.006137,0.06155,-0.006972,0.003055,0.002769,0.037837,0.055946,-0.003735,0.013188,-0.020367,-0.009083,0.017508,-0.013126,-0.023078,0.005068,0.004902,-0.006753,0.006863,0.000495,-0.005546,-0.018677,0.001437
Iberia_East_IA:I3323,0.121791,0.15436,0.05242,-0.002261,0.059703,-0.008646,-0.00564,0.003231,0.032928,0.05212,-0.006171,0.011839,-0.031962,-0.003578,0.004343,0.001591,0.011474,0.002154,-0.003142,-0.002376,0.002246,0.001607,-0.016392,-0.018195,0.002874
Iberia_East_IA:I3324,0.122929,0.131003,0.05506,0.015181,0.059703,0.007809,-0.002585,0.006692,0.019225,0.036083,-0.005846,0.004946,-0.026016,-0.00234,0.00285,0.022938,0.017602,-0.001267,0.01169,-0.008004,-0.00287,0.005564,-0.004067,-0.002048,-0.005269
Iberia_East_IA:I3327,0.124067,0.146236,0.050157,-0.018411,0.042162,-0.001394,-0.00188,0.004154,0.031292,0.054671,-0.016239,0.013638,-0.011447,-0.03069,0.011401,0.025059,0.01708,0.005448,0.004022,0.004252,0.001996,-0.002349,-0.008381,-0.002651,0.002395
Iberia_North_IA:I3758,0.125205,0.146236,0.06675,0.013889,0.053241,0.003347,-0.004465,0.002308,0.030474,0.034989,0.001624,0.008393,-0.017691,-0.00812,0.013843,-0.007292,-0.02047,0.00114,-0.00352,-0.002751,0.003494,0.000618,-0.008134,-0.016508,-0.002994
Iberia_North_IA:I3759,0.125205,0.140143,0.063356,0.009044,0.062781,0.003347,-0.00235,0.006692,0.02168,0.034989,-0.006008,0.009292,-0.016204,-0.008945,0.0076,0.007425,0.003912,0.000633,0.003268,0.001251,0.012977,0.004081,-0.006039,-0.007109,-0.009221
Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL:I12031,0.126344,0.133034,0.039598,0.017119,0.03416,0.007809,0.009635,0.009461,0.002659,0.004738,-0.006658,-0.002548,-0.009068,-0.003165,0.002307,-0.003315,0.004303,0.003547,-0.008296,0.006128,-0.000499,0.001237,-0.002711,0.00482,-0.008263
Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL:I12032,0.142279,0.145221,0.04978,0.030039,0.03139,0.010877,-0.00047,0.013153,0.011862,0.011116,-0.006333,0.013038,-0.01888,-0.00234,0.004886,0.008221,0.004563,0.012162,0.002263,0.013006,0.010232,-0.000618,-0.001356,-0.002651,0.000838
Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL:I12034,0.130897,0.139128,0.0445,0.01615,0.052317,-0.001394,0.00047,0,0.021475,0.036447,-0.000974,0.017085,-0.019623,-0.009358,0.017644,0.009281,0.000522,-0.00152,-0.009804,-0.005503,0.006738,0.005688,-0.00493,-0.013616,-0.001197
Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL:I12162,0.114961,0.126941,0.046763,0.030685,0.043085,0.011713,0.006815,0.000923,0.002863,0.006196,-0.010393,0.007343,-0.000297,-0.011147,0.005157,-0.005701,0.001173,0.003801,0.005656,0.002501,0.019965,0.000371,-0.000616,0.014821,-0.002634
Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL:I12163,0.122929,0.139128,0.05242,0.022287,0.028313,0.005857,0.00799,-0.001615,0.001841,0.000911,-0.005196,-0.001349,-0.015163,-0.004817,0.001221,0.01843,0.020079,-0.000253,0.00352,0.008004,-0.003494,0.003091,-0.003821,0.009399,-0.003233
Iberia_Southeast_c.3-4CE:I3982,0.084229,0.147252,0.030924,-0.027132,0.044931,-0.021475,-0.00047,0.004154,0.030883,0.041914,-0.006333,0.004196,-0.00669,-0.010322,0.00665,-0.005436,-0.013951,-0.006588,-0.011816,-5e-04,0.001622,-0.006306,0.005423,-0.006145,-0.003712
Iberia_Southeast_c.3-4CE:I3983,0.075123,0.148267,0.011314,-0.039729,0.035391,-0.021753,-0.001175,0.003692,0.03027,0.032985,-0.001786,0.003747,-0.009366,-0.017616,0.008143,0.008618,0.011474,-0.00038,-0.014078,0.003377,0.002745,-0.005812,0.008504,0.000843,-0.003832
Iberia_Southeast_c.3-4CE:I4054,0.078538,0.142174,0.008674,-0.032946,0.032929,-0.014781,-0.003995,0.014769,0.028838,0.034807,-0.005846,0.002997,-0.002676,-0.017753,0.004479,0.013922,0.024121,-0.008995,-0.007793,-0.006503,-0.000125,0.000618,0.006409,0.001807,-0.003113
ESP_EIA_Tartessian:I12171,0.121791,0.14319,0.05242,-0.009367,0.062165,-0.003068,0.002115,0.010153,0.042132,0.048293,0.00406,0.009292,-0.027056,-0.022845,0.004479,0.011005,0.009388,-0.003547,0.003142,0.005628,0.011605,-0.002473,-0.005546,-0.023859,-0.006227
ESP_IA:I3320,0.119514,0.145221,0.055814,0.00323,0.061242,-0.005299,-0.003995,0.004154,0.029042,0.04647,-0.003573,0.011839,-0.017988,-0.021194,0.005836,0.008088,0.014994,-0.004434,0.001383,0.001376,0.004118,-0.008037,0.002342,-0.009278,0.005389
ESP_LIA:I19987,0.125205,0.156392,0.06675,0.000323,0.050471,0,-0.002115,0.009461,0.031497,0.04319,-0.00682,0.008992,-0.024083,-0.019955,0.016151,-0.008618,-0.011474,0.009375,-0.004902,-0.01113,0.015348,0.000247,-0.010353,-0.02663,-0.003592
ESP_LIA:I19991,0.126344,0.15436,0.059585,0.011305,0.055395,-0.001394,-0.000235,0.005538,0.034155,0.042643,0.004709,0.008692,-0.02334,-0.017616,0.010993,0.017369,0.001956,0.001014,0.000377,-0.007003,0.010981,0.000495,-0.005176,-0.006145,0.002036
PORT_LIA:R10487_K13_sim,0.1218,0.1482,0.0527,0.0051,0.0521,-0.0014,-0.0001,0.0031,0.023,0.0315,-0.0022,0.0087,-0.0153,-0.0058,0.0031,0.0031,-0.0002,0.0019,0.0004,-0.0029,0.0036,0.0006,-0.0043,-0.0124,-0.0038
PORT_LIA:R10499_K13_sim,0.1258,0.1549,0.0412,-0.0142,0.0513,-0.0095,-0.0012,0.0038,0.0221,0.0404,-0.0001,0.0044,-0.0138,-0.0052,-0.0056,-0.0029,0.0036,0.0015,0.0059,-0.0005,0.0022,0.0013,-0.0045,-0.007,0.0009
PORT_LIA:R10501_K13_sim,0.1012,0.141,0.0312,-0.006,0.0378,-0.0017,-0.0043,-0.0003,0.026,0.0284,-0.002,0.0037,-0.0117,-0.0111,0.0046,-0.005,-0.002,-0.0019,-0.0036,0.0011,0.001,-0.0046,0.0015,-0.0051,0.003
PORT_LIA:R10502_K13_sim,0.1019,0.1476,0.0302,-0.0123,0.042,-0.0118,-0.003,0.0013,0.0216,0.031,0.0005,0.0054,-0.0106,-0.011,0.0066,0.0009,0.0041,-0.0053,-0.003,-0.0006,-0.0021,-0.0037,-0.0008,-0.0053,-0.0008
PORT_LIA:R10503_K13_sim,0.0449,0.1449,0.0153,-0.0409,0.0337,-0.0147,-0.0119,-0.0004,0.0338,0.0324,-0.0005,0.004,0.0008,-0.0088,0.0056,-0.0051,-0.0004,-0.0062,-0.0157,-0.0039,-0.0056,-0.0088,0.008,-0.0052,0.0005
PORT_LIA:R10507_K13_sim,0.1035,0.1428,0.0433,-0.0024,0.0462,-0.0005,-0.0069,0.0003,0.0278,0.0317,-0.0007,0.0084,-0.0125,-0.0141,0.0082,-0.0021,-0.0027,-0.003,-0.0052,-0.0019,0.0022,0.0016,-0.0026,-0.0043,0.0002
PORT_LIA:R10508_K13_sim,0.1092,0.1507,0.0322,-0.0154,0.0446,-0.0096,-0.0007,0.003,0.0271,0.0404,-0.001,0.0046,-0.0121,-0.007,0.0012,-0.0018,-0.0007,-0.0012,-0.0014,-0.0027,0.0013,-0.0021,-0.0002,-0.0034,0.0006
Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 1.2615% / 0.01261537
41.0 Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL
30.0 Iberia_East_IA
18.0 PORT_LIA
5.6 Iberia_Southeast_c.3-4CE
5.4 Iberia_North_IA
Target: gixajo_dad_scaled
Distance: 1.6664% / 0.01666427
65.8 PORT_LIA
25.6 Iberia_East_IA
8.4 Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL
0.2 Iberia_North_IA
Target: gixajo_mom_scaled
Distance: 1.4068% / 0.01406818
31.8 Iberia_East_IA
26.2 Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL
18.2 Iberia_North_IA
15.2 PORT_LIA
8.6 ESP_LIA
Y una megareferencia con todas ellas:
Target: Iberia_IACode:Iberia_IA:average_n29,0.1145799,0.1457931,0.0464324,-0.0008193,0.049461,-0.0034757,-0.0017064,0.0044625,0.0255509,0.0355355,-0.0032138,0.0078993,-0.0162136,-0.0122188,0.0067561,0.0035923,0.0036734,0.0001613,-0.0011304,-0.000406,0.004926,-0.0008014,-0.0030281,-0.0076593,-0.0016599
Distance: 2.0599% / 0.02059858
54.8 Anatolia_Barcin_N
27.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
14.4 WHG
3.0 MAR_Taforalt
Que me parece fantástica porque tiene buena distancias para todos:
Spoiler!
I have good distances, but not so good model with them:
Target: Gil_Vicente
Distance: 2.1054% / 0.02105437
39.2 PORT_LIA
35.4 Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL
25.4 Iberia_East_IA
Distance to: Gil_Vicente
0.02683064 PORT_LIA:R10501_K13_sim
0.02759155 PORT_LIA:R10507_K13_sim
0.03230085 PORT_LIA:R10502_K13_sim
0.03693315 PORT_LIA:R10508_K13_sim
0.04226039 PORT_LIA:R10487_K13_sim
0.04982648 PORT_LIA:R10499_K13_sim
0.05134896 Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL:I12034
0.05158684 Iberia_Southeast_c.3-4CE:I3982
0.05460426 Iberia_North_IA:I3758
0.05710585 Iberia_East_IA:I3320
0.05752075 Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL:I12031
0.05834640 ESP_IA:I3320
0.05874794 Iberia_North_IA:I3759
0.05893540 Iberia_East_IA:I12879
0.05965622 ESP_LIA:I19991
0.06120029 Iberia_East_IA:I3322
0.06205045 Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL:I12162
0.06282189 ESP_LIA:I19987
0.06318199 Iberia_East_IA:I3323
0.06715341 Iberia_East_IA:I3324
0.07118892 Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL:I12032
0.07122640 Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL:I12163
0.07178943 ESP_EIA_Tartessian:I12171
0.07190319 Iberia_Southeast_c.3-4CE:I3983
0.07302290 Iberia_Southeast_c.3-4CE:I4054
Y una megareferencia con todas ellas:
Target: Iberia_IACode:Iberia_IA:average_n29,0.1145799,0.1457931,0.0464324,-0.0008193,0.049461,-0.0034757,-0.0017064,0.0044625,0.0255509,0.0355355,-0.0032138,0.0078993,-0.0162136,-0.0122188,0.0067561,0.0035923,0.0036734,0.0001613,-0.0011304,-0.000406,0.004926,-0.0008014,-0.0030281,-0.0076593,-0.0016599
Distance: 2.0599% / 0.02059858
54.8 Anatolia_Barcin_N
27.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
14.4 WHG
3.0 MAR_Taforalt
Que me parece fantástica porque tiene buena distancias para todos:
Spoiler!
We should wait till have the real coordinates of Portuguese samples, but it´s an notable improvement compared with previously existent Iberian IA references.Quote:
Originally Posted by Damiăo de Góis
These aren't Iron Age at all, they postdate Romans by at ~500 years, the IA label is exclusively used for pre-Roman samples. Roman samples from Urbino are closer in time to the Roman conquest and they already show a completely East Med profile because of colonisation. You could likewise say North African and East Med ancestry was already present in "Portugal" in the "Iron Age".Quote:
Originally Posted by Damiăo de Góis
That's like getting a genetic sample from a modern Brazilian and saying the indigenous people pre-1500 already had European ancestry.
PS: We have two samples from ~800BC from nearby (Arrifana, Coimbra). And yes, they are Basque-like. One appears to have steppe similar to modern individuals, the other one only 2/3s of that. That said the samples are of poor quality.
I suggest you look into qpAdm models made for modern and IA Iberians in "Large-scale migration into Britain during the Middle to Late Bronze Age"
https://reich.hms.harvard.edu/sites/...ipt_2021_3.pdf
The bulk of ancient IA Iberians has similar levels steppe ancestry in 3-way models to Basques, but usually less than the average non-Basque Spanish. The exception are IA samples from Cataluńa, particularly Girona which is close to the French border, plenty of which have similar or suprior levels to modern Spanish. Obviously the vector for steppe ancestry in Iberia is through the Pyrenees, it's not surprising pre-Romans from that area are showing higher levels than those further away.
Until there is a significant number of pre-Roman samples from further west that unequivocally show high levels of steppe ancestry and north African ancestry no one can contradict Olalde's statement. For the time being it does seem your high steppe ancestry is not because of indigenous western Iberians, but from colonists who made their way here after the Roman conquest. Likewise for the non-West Euro things we all carry.
https://i.postimg.cc/tg31S1qD/sadsadsad.png
You are right about we are wrong labelling these samples as Iron Age, it was just a simplification to indicate they are from a period before the muslim invasion started, and to put them together with proper IA samples in a model.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ruderico
We can call it "Late Ancient Western Iberian" or "Western Iberia early MiddleAge" if you prefer it.
Indepently of labelling, what do those provisional samples results suggest to you? Influence of Atlantic trade, ancient cultural relationship with the Iberian Atlantic coast and the North African Atlantic coast? Influence of Phoenician settlements? Results of varied people typical of Romanized areas? All together...none of this?
Earliest Portuguese sample is dated to around 337 AD. One problem with this paper is that they talk about the Iron Age and when the vast majority of samples are from the Roman period.Quote:
Originally Posted by Damiăo de Góis
Eurogenes K13
Code:Portugal_Conimbriga:R10487___AD_337___Coverage_66.13%,38.73,16.47,28.87,2.20,9.76,0.72,1.13,0,0.20,0,0.20,1.69,0.03
Portugal_Miroico:R10499___AD_331___Coverage_81.68%,35,10.38,32.24,1.54,18.69,1.46,0,0.69,0,0,0,0,0
Portugal_Miroico:R10501___AD_426___Coverage_64.40%,34.31,10.92,27.09,3.01,15.41,2.89,1.91,1.05,0.54,0.23,0.06,0.76,1.82
Portugal_Miroico:R10502___AD_426___Coverage_71.97%,34.91,10.53,26.33,2.91,15.51,5.11,0.03,0.19,0,0.23,1.41,1.40,1.45
Portugal_Miroico:R10503___AD_518___Coverage_88.61%,26.55,5.38,27.92,0,17.32,10.84,0.01,0,0.76,0.74,0.46,5.27,4.75
Portugal_Miroico:R10507___AD_426___Coverage_50.92%,38.63,11.65,31.01,0.01,9.03,4.08,0.01,0.65,0,1.61,0,1.86,1.49
Portugal_Miroico:R10508___AD_337___Coverage_66.89%,34.88,7.41,31.31,2.22,15.35,5.34,0,0.10,0,0.09,0.98,0.88,1.44
SAMPLE DATE COVERAGE LATITUDE LONGITUDE LOCALITY COUNTRY R10499 331 81,68% 38,7261 -9,3653 Miroico Portugal R10508 337 66,89% 38,7261 -9,3653 Miroico Portugal R10487 337 66,13% 40,099444 -8,490556 Conimbriga Portugal R10488 337 57,83% 40,099444 -8,490556 Conimbriga Portugal R10500 426 53,65% 38,7261 -9,3653 Miroico Portugal R10501 426 64,40% 38,7261 -9,3653 Miroico Portugal R10502 426 71,97% 38,7261 -9,3653 Miroico Portugal R10506 426 77,69% 38,7261 -9,3653 Miroico Portugal R10507 426 50,92% 38,7261 -9,3653 Miroico Portugal R10503 518 88,61% 38,7261 -9,3653 Miroico Portugal R10494 781 86,54% 38,8803 -7,1637 MontedaNora Portugal R10496 829 85,03% 38,8803 -7,1637 MontedaNora Portugal R10491 832 82,74% 38,8803 -7,1637 MontedaNora Portugal