Dodecad Ancestry Project

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Originally Posted by Padre Organtino

Huh, why are you douchebags so paranoid? None of my recent posts has to do anything neither with or Armenians nor with your bunch of self-loathing retards. I have started writing about Armenians only in reply to an outburst of your "sister". My comments were on Turkish genetics.

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oh...now is insult time

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Originally Posted by Artaxat

oh, I didn't see that padre also declared Orangepulp as an Armenian, also there is consensus on this?

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Well, noone's arguing against the fact that Turks and Assyrians are your closest genetic neighbours. As for nationality - it has to do with one's self-identification. She clearly does not see herself as an Armenian. Hence the answer is No.
And stop polluting the thread if you have nothing to say.

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Originally Posted by Padre Organtino

Well, noone's arguing against the fact that Turks and Assyrians are your closest genetic neighbours. As for nationality - it has to do with one's self-identification. She clearly does not see herself as an Armenian. Hence the answer is No.
And stop polluting the thread if you have nothing to say.

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Yes, you are correct in telling others they should ignore the crap you post.

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Originally Posted by orangepulp

Cluster number ''1''seems to be more ''western'' compared to cluster number ''5'' which is also dominated by Turks, cluster ''5'' seems to be more Iranic.

Cluster ''1'' consists of Cappadocia Turks, I got this from humanists post on ABF:

A comment of possible interest to some here, made on Dienekes' blog, regarding the origin of the Turkish samples used in Behar et al. (and other subsequent papers), not to mention, the various open projects, such as David's Eurogenes:




http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/att...1&d=1316247706

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I understand that one greek also falls into this cluster, but the Assyrian and the Georgian sample is strange. Some more details about these two samples would shed some light on how they are connected.

Any idea why all of Behar's sample are from Kappadokia?

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Originally Posted by Padre Organtino

Well, noone's arguing against the fact that Turks and Assyrians are your closest genetic neighbours. As for nationality - it has to do with one's self-identification. She clearly does not see herself as an Armenian. Hence the answer is No.
And stop polluting the thread if you have nothing to say.

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Turks matching with Armenians doesn't mean they are Armenians, it just means they are similar genetically, this goes for all West Asian ethnic groups Georgians, Armenians, Turks, Assyrians etc..

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Originally Posted by Artaxat

I understand that one greek also falls into this cluster, but the Assyrian and the Georgian sample is strange. Some more details about these two samples would shed some light on how they are connected.

Any idea why all of Behar's sample are from Kappadokia?

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I really don't know.

I think Humanist can give us a better explanation about the samples and cluster number ''1''. I match in cluster number ''1'' but my paternal side would be between Lycaonia and Pamphylia, not Cappadocia and maternal side North Eastern.

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Originally Posted by orangepulp

Turks matching with Armenians doesn't mean they are Armenians, it just means they are similar genetically, this goes for all West Asian ethnic groups Georgians, Armenians, Turks, Assyrians etc..

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what about a Turk whose name sounds a bit Armenian and is genetically similar with Armenians. would they be considered Armenian or Turk?

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Originally Posted by orangepulp

I really don't know.

I think Humanist can give us a better explanation about the samples and cluster number ''1''. I match in cluster number ''1'' but my paternal side would be between Lycaonia and Pamphylia, not Cappadocia and maternal side North Eastern.

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maybe because Kappadokia inhabitants did not migrate or mix too much? thus can be representative of local Anatolians?

would be good to have access to the publication of Behar's study.

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Originally Posted by Artaxat

what about a Turk whose name sounds a bit Armenian and is genetically similar with Armenians. would they be considered Armenian or Turk?

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I am similar to Armenians somewhat ( many Turks are) and on 23andme apparently I have a couple of Armenian cousins, which means big probably a 100 years ago we had a similar grandparent.

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/820...tivefinder.jpg

Here are mostly European cousins, kinda weird cause I also have a Swedish cousin:
http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/4060/rf3vv.jpg

Being a Turk is not about genetics, a person may not even carry Turkic genes and yet still be a Turk, anybody brought up in Turkish culture can identify as a Turk. We have Kurds who identify as a Kurd and a Turk, a Turkish Kurd basically.

If one feels he should identify as an Armenian cause of his name and genetic mixture then let him, if one feels more affinity with Turks he can call himself a Turk.