Dodecad Ancestry Project

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Originally Posted by Artaxat

I understand that one greek also falls into this cluster, but the Assyrian and the Georgian sample is strange. Some more details about these two samples would shed some light on how they are connected.

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Hi Artaxat.

The Assyrian who is in cluster #1 has an Armenian grandparent. The Assyrian who is in cluster #5 might have some Iraqi Kurdish ancestry. He is a Chaldean Catholic from Iraq. Many of these folks did not move to the mountains, as some of the "Nestorians" and Orthodox did. They remained in the plains. Many of them speak Arabic as a first language. I posted these two charts on ABF:

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The Assyrian individual IBD Z scores. One Assyrian has a known Armenian grandparent (#5).

Among Dodecad populations, Assyrians appear to display the highest IBD Z score average (~4). The Assyrian_D population includes 2 Chaldean Catholics, 3 Syriac Orthodox, 6 "Nestorians," 1 ACOE, and one unidentified affiliation. For a total of 13 participants. Grandparent countries of past or current residence include: Lebanon, Turkey, Iraq, and Iran.

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http://i1096.photobucket.com/albums/...D_assyrian.png

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I posted the individual Assyrian IBD (Identity By Descent) chart yesterday. This is a chart of the Assyrian average IBD Z values with respect to all populations included in the study.

Assyrian 4.04

Armenian 0.08
Kurd -0.09
Iranian -0.16
Cypriot -0.17
Greek -0.21
Turk -0.23
Georgian -0.24
Abkhasian -0.24
Adygei -0.31
N_Ossetian -0.37
Bulgarian -0.40
Romanian -0.48

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http://i1096.photobucket.com/albums/..._avg_IBD_Z.png

http://i.imgur.com/d7IGj.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/1Elve.jpg

fastIBD analysis of Iberia, France, Italy, Balkans, Anatolia and European Jews


I am in cluster ''4'' which consists of all 44 Armenian samples and 11 Turks. Cluster ''4'' is dominated by Armenians while cluster ''3'' is by Turks.


http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-hUvuuWcLzA...tolia_jews.png

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Originally Posted by orangepulp

fastIBD analysis of Iberia, France, Italy, Balkans, Anatolia and European Jews

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Interesting stuff. Im on cluster 9, which is the Portugal and Galicia, Castilla Y Leon cluster and my IBD similarity scores are:

Cantabria 1.67
Pais Vasco 1.66
Portuguese 1.44
Aragon 1.17
Castilla Y Leon 1.14
French Basque 1.12
Valencia 1.11
Spaniards 1.05

Galicia is quite low on the list at 0.04

My top IBD similarity scores:

Armenian_D 2.57
Turkish_D 1.52
Turks 1.19
Cypriots 1.19
S_Italian_D 1.12
Bulgarians_Y 1.2
Bulgarian_ D 1.05
Romanians_14 0.95
Romanian_D 0.76

What does IBD stand for?

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Originally Posted by orangepulp

What does IBD stand for?

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Identity by Descent

...just seen.

According to the last Dienekes graph..... i'm italian by nationality but almost iberian biologically. Ehw...

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Originally Posted by Hussar

...just seen.

According to the last Dienekes graph..... i'm italian by nationality but almost iberian biologically. Ehw...

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so which dominates? blood or culture?

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Originally Posted by Artaxat

so which dominates? blood or culture?

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True. Nice question. Mine was clearly a joke (with a hint of provokation).

Clearly, the era of genomic (and personal genomic) has opened a door in these years.
Apart the scientific meaning per sè, the progress in this specific field has been a monumental step in the understanding of our own "essence" , allowing us to fill missing points of the conventional history and clarifying finally what and ethnic identity really is.


At present day (in the last year) i've seen a number of different graphs and schemes. In most of them i don't match with a good number of my countrymen.
But on the other side i can't define myself as "iberian".

Simply....science today, show us as we (single individuals) are the result of the most intriguing and unsolvable mix of historical circumstance. A puzzle of elements, each of them added by a different "momentum" of historical course.


Limiting my analysis to this case i think it's reasonable to postulate a close biologic relationship between Celto-Ligurians (ancestral rulers on the western Alps of northwestern Italy) and Celto-Iberians.

Celto-med hybrid populations, gradually latinised culturally.

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Originally Posted by Hussar

...just seen.

According to the last Dienekes graph..... i'm italian by nationality but almost iberian biologically. Ehw...

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Do you mean the cluster or the IBD similarity? I think the cluster is more informative.

For example, portuguese cluster with galicians and castillo-leonese which makes sense historically. On my IBD list galicians are nowhere no be found and my highest scores are cantabrians and basques, which is more dubious.