Indigenous Balkan I2a1 in southern Albania

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Originally Posted by Herr Abubu

And no, it doesn't say Albanians are descendants of any population, what it says that Albanians are descended from an originally small, cohesive population.

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not exactly but maybe is due to my non proper english.

This suggests that a reasonable proportion of the ancestors of modern-day Albanian speakers are drawn from a relatively small, cohesive population that has persisted for at least the last 1,500 years.

These individuals share similar but slightly higher numbers of common ancestors with nearby populations than do individuals in other parts of Europe (see Figure S3), implying that these Albanian speakers have not been a particularly isolated population so much as a small one.

Thnx for your time

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Originally Posted by ilir

not exactly but maybe is due to my non proper english.

This suggests that a reasonable proportion of the ancestors of modern-day Albanian speakers are drawn from a relatively small, cohesive population that has persisted for at least the last 1,500 years.

These individuals share similar but slightly higher numbers of common ancestors with nearby populations than do individuals in other parts of Europe (see Figure S3), implying that these Albanian speakers have not been a particularly isolated population so much as a small one.

Thnx for your time

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No, it's not your English, but simply stupidity. Yes, Albanians descend, on the scale of 1.5k or more years, from a small population. What's your point?

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Originally Posted by Herr Abubu

No, it's not your English, but simply stupidity. Yes, Albanians descend, on the scale of 1.5k or more years, from a small population. What's your point?

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Who lived more than 1500 years in this area and are we their descendents ??

Djema, tema eshte hapur per CTS10228 dhe nen-degat saja si Z17855, Y4460 'Din S', dhe S17250 'Din N' qe gjenden ne Ballkan, e sidomos nen Toske. Qe nuk e kuptoni se cka nenkuptojne kto nomenklatura, ju kisha lute qe mos t'i beni pompim me kesaj teme.

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Originally Posted by Dema

Whaat you are not R1b afterall, are you really I2a1???

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Yes I am R1b. So?

Doesnt take away the fact I2 is an indigenous lineage pre Neolithic expansion. North and North Western Balkans probably mixed with Scythians that carried R1a and over a couple of millenia developed splits I2a1 and I2a2.

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Originally Posted by ilir

Who lived more than 1500 years in this area and are we their descendents ??

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This is the last time I reply to your stupid shit. It doesn't say anything about where this population came from and who they were. If you think that I am somehow against the Paleo-Balkan origins of Albanians, then it's an assumption you make because of your incapability of logical reasoning. I am simply stating the clear fact that Tosks have a large amount of Slavic blood.

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Originally Posted by Herr Abubu

If you think that I am somehow against the Paleo-Balkan origins of Albanians, then it's an assumption you make because of your incapability of logical reasoning.

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So you never said that, you are not against ??
Thnx in advance for your patience.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Ish7688voT.../arbereshe.jpg

17percent I + 13 percent R1a in Tiranovo

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Originally Posted by Herr Abubu

This is the last time I reply to your stupid shit. It doesn't say anything about where this population came from and who they were. If you think that I am somehow against the Paleo-Balkan origins of Albanians, then it's an assumption you make because of your incapability of logical reasoning. I am simply stating the clear fact that Tosks have a large amount of Slavic blood.

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I don't know how genetics work, so I'm asking and not implying anything. Shouldn't we look more like the other Slavs if we had that much of a percentage Slavic genes??

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Originally Posted by Xhak Bauër

You're tying haplos to identities yourself. I2a was found among Neolithic farmers only so far.

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Actually it (more specifically I2a1b which is being discussed here) was found among northern hunter-gatherers. Loschbour from Luxembourg, Motala samples from Sweden, Pitted Ware samples from Gotland, Berry-au-Bac from France, that recent Estonian sample, etc.
The last haplogroup in Europe (together with northern I2a1a) to abandon hunting and gathering.
Native European haplo par excellence.