German GEDmatch results

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Originally Posted by rothaer

Yes, Piotraschke will exist among Poles as well as Krause.

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These Piotraschke who live in Powiat Słupsk today (see the map above) are obviously native there: autochthons of the Regained Lands.

It wasn't just Klucken but much more - as of 1950 census there were 9370 autochthons in Powiat Słupsk, or 11% of the inhabitants.

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Originally Posted by Piotraschke

These Piotraschke who live in Powiat Słupsk today (see the map above) are obviously native there: autochthons of the Regained Lands.
It wasn't just Klucken but much more - as of 1950 census there were 9370 autochthons in Powiat Słupsk, or 11% of the inhabitants.

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These with the Polish first names are very likely Poles, yes. But they are not the testtaker and do not have that pedigree. You don't know their pedigree. They may descend from such an autochtone just 1/4 or not even, but hail from nearby Kashubia, where lilkely were also some surnames like in Eastern Farther Pomerania.
I'm not sure why you do introduce speculations about some individuals that are not even tested.

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Originally Posted by rothaer

I'm not sure why you do introduce speculations about some individuals that are not even tested.

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Only as a response to "accusation" that my new nickname is from Germany. :p

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Originally Posted by rothaer

hail from nearby Kashubia, where lilkely were also some surnames like in Eastern Farther Pomerania.

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Today this surname does not exist east of Słupsk County, only there. So I don't think it existed among Kashubs from West Prussia.

BTW, Kashubia and Eastern Farther Pomerania are not mutually exclusive terms.

The region known as Kashubia wasn't limited just to north-western part of West Prussia, it also included eastern parts of Pommern.

Dr J. Mordawski, "Geography of Kashubia" (2018), published by Zrzeszenie Kaszubsko-Pomorskie, has a map with Kashubia borders.

This map is even on the cover of this book (also Mordawski's "Atlas of history of Pomorze & its inhabitants: Kashubs" has this map):

https://czec.pl/userdata/public/gfx/...fia_kaszub.jpg

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You might want to disagree with this, but this is what scholars (such as Dr Jan Mordawski) consider as Kashubia.

Kashubians themselves (and their Zrzeszenie Kaszubsko-Pomorskie) also agree with such borders of Kashubia.

BTW have you seen this thread, "Regions of Pomerania and Prussia according to German 1858 book"?:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...rman-1858-book

List of regions - https://i.imgur.com/WSqnSDd.png

^^^
Apart from regions listed in this 1858 book, I also marked here Kashubia, with a yellow checkerboard:

https://i.imgur.com/TI2wq7e.png

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Originally Posted by rothaer

I did not yet get, what's behind Markgrafpieske.

Yes, Piotraschke will exist among Poles as well as Krause.

As for the genetic in Farther Pomerania: I thought about to making an own average for Lauenburg-Stolp-Bütow area (we once talked about that). This is more Slavic and deviates from the Farther Pomerania average. BUT: Western Farther Pomerania deviates as well in the other direction and the middle of Farther Pomerania seems in between genetically. So based on the current available kits it looks like a continuum with a cline. From such a thing you could split off whatever part and have a different average. So if there would be split off Lauenburg-Stolp-Bütow right now would make the impression of a different genetic for a particular area while it in fact just is part of a continuum.

But the more narrow ancestry for every kit is saved, so there can be made re-gropupings at any time. I'm willing to da a split off as soon as I see that there is anything else than a contiuunm. Or even if there is just a continuum, if such subdivisiona are suitable and made in an equal manner. I'm not sure if this is appreciated by the users and Leto already complained about all thies German averages are already being too fine grained. Would it be interesting to divide Farther Pomerania into west, central and east, the latter being basically Lauenburg-Bütow-Stolp? If so, it would be needed one or two more kits for Central Farther Pomerania.

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I for one like the detail. Bring it on.

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Originally Posted by Smitty

I for one like the detail. Bring it on.

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Me too:

https://i.imgur.com/TI2wq7e.png

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Originally Posted by Piotraschke

Only as a response to "accusation" that my new nickname is from Germany. :p

Today this surname does not exist east of Słupsk County, only there. So I don't think it existed among Kashubs from West Prussia.

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There are 122 hits in Germany vs. 16 in Poland. For what it's worth.

http://geogen.stoepel.net/?q=piotraschke

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Originally Posted by Smitty

There are 122 hits in Germany vs. 16 in Poland. For what it's worth.

http://geogen.stoepel.net/?q=piotraschke

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But in 1890 most lived in what is today Poland: https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:Piotraschke

It is an obvious Kashub surname, because these areas were Kashub-speaking well into the 1800s:

https://i.imgur.com/9Jizv3k.png

Kashubian / Wendish, whatever you prefer.

According to Georg Hassel there were 65,000 Wenden und Kassuben in Provinz Pommern in 1817-1819.

That was 1/10 of all inhabitants of Pommern. And of course in eastern counties the % was much higher.

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Comparison of 1890 distribution vs. 1996 distribution in Germany:

https://nvk.genealogy.net/map/1890:P...96:Piotraschke

^^^ That area where Piotraschke family lived in 1890, was over 75% Kashubian just 90 years prior (about 1800):

https://i.imgur.com/Ef4gnWV.png - map

And was still strongly Kashub in 1892, according to Stefan Ramułt (who travelled there and visited many villages):

https://i.imgur.com/9W9rFj6.png - map

https://i.imgur.com/LUl31hi.png

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Originally Posted by Piotraschke

But in 1890 most lived in what is today Poland: [URRL]

It is an obvious Kashub surname, because these areas were Kashub-speaking well into the 1800s:

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Kashubian / Wendish, whatever you prefer.

According to Georg Hassel there were 65,000 Wenden und Kassuben in Provinz Pommern in 1817-1819.

That was 1/10 of all inhabitants of Pommern. And of course in eastern counties the % was much higher.

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Comparison of 1890 distribution vs. 1996 distribution in Germany:

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I'm aware they were post-WWII refugees. But they also obviously considered themselves German, which is relevant to this discussion.