Gedmatch calculators on Vahaduo

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Originally Posted by Lucas

Add it instead of what is now or leave old regional too?

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delete all and add these:

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Serb_north,25.11,30.70,16.57,9.04,14.65,1.53,0.53,0.32,0.57,0.43,0.43,0.06,0.04
Serb_central,25.13,29.35,17.05,8.71,15.72,1.62,0.57,0.26,0.66,0.50,0.28,0.10,0.05
Serb_south,23.36,27.16,17.57,9.33,18.39,1.96,0.44,0.18,0.84,0.35,0.28,0.00,0.15
Montenegrin,24.61,25.37,18.18,10.20,17.36,2.35,0.13,0.25,0.75,0.43,0.27,0.02,0.06

Serb,24.72,29.47,17.13,9.20,15.42,1.55,0.55,0.27,0.72,0.53,0.30,0.08,0.05

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I also grouped Balkan Turkish samples. I could have made smaller one like Turk_Greece, Turk_Bulgaria etc... but I think the difference between regions in the same country is significant.

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Turk_Western_Thrace,18.13666667,18.07,14.46333333,14.55333333,23.87,3.053333333,0.56,1.393333333,4.193333333,0.673333333,0.356666667,0.043333333,0.316666667
Turk_Eastern_Macedonia,19.61,20.485,16.035,15.235,20.385,1.56,0.81,1.94,1.98,0.27,0.235,0.095,0.23
Turk_Central_Macedonia,19.29,19.58,17.35,12.55,26.1,1.97,0,0.51,1.38,0.94,0,0,0.32
Turk_Bulgaria_East,19.03,11.49,14.52,19.18,23.94,3.15,1.32,2.12,4.28,0.44,0,0.16,0.37
Turk_Bulgaria_Northeast,19.86333333,21.44333333,13.87666667,13.28666667,20.28333333,2.653333333,2.036666667,2.72,1.99,0.863333333,0.296666667,0.196666667,0.493333333
Turk_Bulgaria_Central,20.69666667,18.65666667,15.39,15.38333333,18.53666667,2.72,2.336666667,1.653333333,3.256666667,0.893333333,0.196666667,0.17,0.11
Turk_Bulgaria_South,17.144,18.302,14.608,17.27,18.11,3.092,0.878,3.074,5.95,0.83,0.282,0.296,0.172
Turk_Eastern_Thrace,13.92,14.66,16.81,19.56,20.22,2.35,3.04,3.03,5.28,0.53,0.53,0.07,0

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Originally Posted by Stearsolina

Thank you! Lucas can add them.

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For North some update:) Wife of my friend I have trustful info of her ancestry.

She has all 4 grandparents kajkavian Croats
So, her father from is from Zlatar, Krapinsko/zagorska županija
Her mother is half from Cestica, on border with Slovenia and half from mursko središče on border with Slovenija and Hungary


Population
North_Atlantic 32.54 Pct
Baltic 33.63 Pct
West_Med 14.34 Pct
West_Asian 6.01 Pct
East_Med 9.51 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian -
East_Asian 0.55 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 1.54 Pct
Oceanian 1.3 Pct
Northeast_African 0.58 Pct
Sub-Saharan -


# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarian 3.55
2 East_German 5.78
3 Croatian 5.83
4 Austrian 6.17
5 Moldavian 8.24
6 South_Polish 9.03
7 Ukrainian_Lviv 9.96
8 Serbian 10.09
9 Ukrainian 10.74
10 Polish 12.47
11 West_German 13.7
12 Romanian 14.28
13 North_Swedish 14.88
14 Southwest_Russian 14.97
15 South_Dutch 15
16 North_German 15.23
17 Southwest_Finnish 15.39
18 Ukrainian_Belgorod 15.42
19 Russian_Smolensk 15.64
20 Estonian_Polish 16.09

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 77.8% Croatian + 22.2% Southeast_English @ 2.48
2 60.6% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 39.4% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.69
3 62.5% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 37.5% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.7
4 61.3% Southwest_Russian + 38.7% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.75
5 78.9% Croatian + 21.1% Orcadian @ 2.76
6 80.1% Croatian + 19.9% Southwest_English @ 2.81
7 77.8% Croatian + 22.2% North_Dutch @ 2.85
8 80.7% Croatian + 19.3% West_Scottish @ 2.89
9 74.9% South_Polish + 25.1% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.9
10 77.6% Croatian + 22.4% Danish @ 2.91
11 73.1% South_Polish + 26.9% Portuguese @ 2.91
12 74.8% South_Polish + 25.2% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.92
13 72.7% Croatian + 27.3% West_German @ 2.93
14 80.1% Croatian + 19.9% Irish @ 2.96
15 63.3% Southwest_Russian + 36.7% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.97
16 62.8% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 37.2% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.97
17 50.3% East_German + 49.7% Croatian @ 2.98
18 51.9% Croatian + 48.1% Austrian @ 2.99
19 76.1% South_Polish + 23.9% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.03

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Originally Posted by Lucas

For North some update:) Wife of my friend I have trustful info of her ancestry.

She has all 4 grandparents kajkavian Croats
So, her father from is from Zlatar, Krapinsko/zagorska županija
Her mother is half from Cestica, on border with Slovenia and half from mursko središče on border with Slovenija and Hungary

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very typical for the region. added

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Croat_north,31.28,33.43,14.32,7.22,9.91,1.18,0.61,0.31,0.54,0.59,0.35,0.13,0.13
Croat,28.38,33.18,14.95,7.74,11.78,1.42,0.50,0.26,0.56,0.53,0.45,0.10,0.13

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Originally Posted by Creoda

OK Lucas, if you don't wish to add the smaller English/Dutch regions (fair enough as they're not really necessary), could you just add/update these, and remove Ulster British/SW English, and that will suffice for these countries.

K13

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English_Midlands,49.62,23.45,13.76,5.66,4.13,0.58,0.96,0.20,0.22,0.47,0.43,0.25,0.21
English_Southwest,50.26,23.06,14.23,5.30,3.67,0.76,1.13,0.03,0.20,0.54,0.45,0.17,0.13
Irish,52.54,23.16,12.46,6.75,1.37,0.52,1.32,0.16,0.21,0.85,0.30,0.16,0.13
Irish_Connacht,52.65,23.42,12.04,7.09,1.07,0.21,1.59,0.10,0.28,0.90,0.21,0.22,0.10
Irish_Leinster,51.84,23.04,12.80,6.68,1.97,0.62,1.09,0.31,0.09,0.74,0.39,0.19,0.16
Irish_Munster,52.87,22.83,12.42,6.79,1.52,0.35,1.34,0.19,0.28,0.78,0.23,0.16,0.16
Irish_Ulster,53.13,22.47,12.65,6.9,0.87,0.61,1.49,0.10,0.36,0.84,0.32,0.05,0.14

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K15

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English_Midlands,36.27,27.78,10.09,8.73,9.54,3.87,1.44,0.48,0.57,0.06,0.06,0.26,0.24,0.21,0.15
English_Southwest,35.79,29.10,9.64,8.78,10.15,3.15,1.13,0.57,0.83,0.01,0.04,0.27,0.27,0.13,0.09
Irish,36.87,30.46,9.78,8.67,7.52,4.04,0.36,0.34,0.88,0.08,0.09,0.54,0.14,0.08,0.07
Irish_Connacht,37.58,30.41,9.11,9.30,7.27,3.87,0.07,0.09,1.09,0.04,0.11,0.67,0.13,0.11,0.07
Irish_Leinster,36.65,30.11,9.58,8.92,7.98,4.19,0.28,0.45,0.76,0.18,0.00,0.41,0.20,0.11,0.11
Irish_Munster,37.13,30.17,9.77,8.40,7.68,4.48,0.18,0.17,0.91,0.07,0.14,0.50,0.14,0.08,0.10
Irish_Ulster,36.62,30.93,9.31,8.62,7.70,4.34,0.04,0.30,1.12,0.06,0.13,0.56,0.14,0.03,0.04

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done

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Originally Posted by Creoda

Update for Dodecad K12b

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English_North,9.01,0.25,0.27,0.03,38.47,44.34,0.25,0.02,0.65,0.10,6.54,0.02
English_South,9.09,0.26,0.41,0.14,38.28,43.01,0.24,0.07,0.94,0.04,7.44,0.02
Irish,10.69,0.23,0.05,0.04,39.30,44.41,0.22,0.02,0.10,0.03,4.84,0.01
Scottish,10.25,0.19,0.21,0.16,38.53,44.21,0.23,0.01,0.40,0.03,5.73,0

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English_North - 26
English_South - 35
Irish - 30
Scottish - 20

Distance to: English_North
1.11897274 English_mixed
1.70164626 English_South
1.79117280 Mixed_NW_Euro
2.49244860 Irish
2.57522815 Irish
3.29001520 Dutch
3.42112555 Dutch_Central
4.04555311 Dutch_North
4.48494147 Icelandic
5.51924814 Dutch_South
8.09982716 German
8.16905747 Swedish
9.58871211 French2
10.23483757 French
10.53464760 Bavarian_German
14.37151349 Slovenian
15.54159258 Slovak
16.15114237 Sorb_Lusatia
16.47149963 Hungarians
17.83157312 Croat

Distance to: English_South
0.67660919 English_mixed
1.84219977 English_North
2.36803716 Mixed_NW_Euro
3.29051668 Dutch
3.54928162 Irish
3.63469393 Dutch_Central
3.69617370 Irish
4.23837233 Dutch_South
5.03749938 Dutch_North
5.87048550 Icelandic
8.49688767 German
8.55565895 French2
9.11246948 Bavarian_German
9.20701906 French
9.40572166 Swedish
13.86794505 Slovenian
15.59183761 Slovak
16.20585080 Hungarians
16.63297628 Sorb_Lusatia
17.01635568 Italy_Aosta_Valley

Distance to: Irish
0.31638584 Irish
1.81785588 Mixed_NW_Euro
2.81732142 English_North
3.19740520 English_mixed
3.72675462 English_South
4.69557238 Dutch_North
4.71578201 Icelandic
5.42950274 Dutch
5.54221977 Dutch_Central
7.73586453 Dutch_South
8.87980856 Swedish
9.91194734 German
10.04644713 French2
10.71058355 French
12.66006714 Bavarian_German
16.67321505 Slovenian
17.46420911 Slovak
17.70507554 Sorb_Lusatia
18.66554580 Hungarians
19.38065530 PL_Warmia-Masuria

Distance to: Scottish
0.85211502 Mixed_NW_Euro
1.19503138 Irish
1.33214113 Irish
1.70076453 English_North
2.11279436 English_mixed
2.56304506 English_South
4.05900234 Dutch_North
4.22776537 Dutch
4.38336629 Dutch_Central
4.41389850 Icelandic
6.51482156 Dutch_South
8.48864536 Swedish
8.89934829 German
9.85646996 French2
10.53283912 French
11.47912018 Bavarian_German
15.41069758 Slovenian
16.37447098 Slovak
16.83302706 Sorb_Lusatia
17.46734382 Hungarians

Mixed NW Euro can be removed now IMO, and the duplicate old Irish averages.

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

Reminder to update the above

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ok

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Originally Posted by Stearsolina

Thank you! Lucas can add them.

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Added new Croatian and Serbian refs.

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Originally Posted by Thracian

I also grouped Balkan Turkish samples. I could have made smaller one like Turk_Greece, Turk_Bulgaria etc... but I think the difference between regions in the same country is significant.

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Turk_Western_Thrace,18.13666667,18.07,14.46333333,14.55333333,23.87,3.053333333,0.56,1.393333333,4.193333333,0.673333333,0.356666667,0.043333333,0.316666667
Turk_Eastern_Macedonia,19.61,20.485,16.035,15.235,20.385,1.56,0.81,1.94,1.98,0.27,0.235,0.095,0.23
Turk_Central_Macedonia,19.29,19.58,17.35,12.55,26.1,1.97,0,0.51,1.38,0.94,0,0,0.32
Turk_Bulgaria_East,19.03,11.49,14.52,19.18,23.94,3.15,1.32,2.12,4.28,0.44,0,0.16,0.37
Turk_Bulgaria_Northeast,19.86333333,21.44333333,13.87666667,13.28666667,20.28333333,2.653333333,2.036666667,2.72,1.99,0.863333333,0.296666667,0.196666667,0.493333333
Turk_Bulgaria_Central,20.69666667,18.65666667,15.39,15.38333333,18.53666667,2.72,2.336666667,1.653333333,3.256666667,0.893333333,0.196666667,0.17,0.11
Turk_Bulgaria_South,17.144,18.302,14.608,17.27,18.11,3.092,0.878,3.074,5.95,0.83,0.282,0.296,0.172
Turk_Eastern_Thrace,13.92,14.66,16.81,19.56,20.22,2.35,3.04,3.03,5.28,0.53,0.53,0.07,0

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Cool but what to remove now:) Please post.

Fantastic! :) :thumbsup:

The recent update to the K13 references is looking good and cleaner than before

Distance to:	IonBasescul_MyHeritage
3.11846116	Moldova_average
3.25053842	Moldova_Centre
3.86539778	Romania_Moldavia_North
4.25556107	Serb_north
4.28092280	Bosniak_Krajina
4.29585847	Bosniak_Sarajevo
4.32268435	Bosniak
4.45554710	Moldova_North
4.75713149	Serb
4.75734169	Croat_Bosnia&Herzegovina
5.04804913	Romania_Maramures
5.31842082	Serb_central
5.40179600	Csángó
5.43645105	Croat_Littoral
6.02309721	Székely
6.13496536	Bosniak_Bosnia_proper
6.33107416	Romania_Moldavia_South
6.52592522	Hungarian_Transylvania
6.65592218	Croat_East
6.91711645	Romania_Crisana
6.96885930	Croat
7.07968926	Romania_Transylvania
7.19854152	Romania_average
7.72403392	Serb_south
7.79401694	Romania_Banat

Distance to:	IonBasescul_brother_MyHeritage
4.49091305	Moldova_North
4.70724973	Moldova_average
4.85384384	Moldova_Centre
5.44000000	Bosniak_Sarajevo
5.48571782	Bosniak_Krajina
5.96441950	Romania_Moldavia_North
6.13441929	Croat_Bosnia&Herzegovina
6.20151594	Serb_north
6.23719488	Bosniak
6.26962519	Bosniak_Bosnia_proper
6.80723879	Serb
7.22142645	Romania_Maramures
7.33548908	Croat_Littoral
7.42079511	Serb_central
8.01062420	Croat_East
8.36443662	Csángó
8.58984866	Romania_Moldavia_South
8.72953607	Croat
9.18155760	Romania_average
9.31432767	Székely
9.38398636	Romania_Transylvania
9.38750766	Serb_south
9.44433693	Romania_Crisana
9.56764861	Romania_Banat
9.77145332	Hungarian_Transylvania

Distance to:	IonBasescul_dad_MyHeritage
3.52249911	Moldova_North
4.24185101	Bosniak_Sarajevo
4.36440145	Bosniak_Krajina
4.40298762	Moldova_Centre
4.53496417	Moldova_average
4.67560691	Bosniak_Bosnia_proper
4.68123915	Croat_Bosnia&Herzegovina
4.70236111	Romania_Moldavia_North
4.94547268	Bosniak
5.19373661	Serb_north
5.40010185	Croat_Littoral
5.51075312	Croat_East
6.15230038	Serb
6.30759067	Croat
6.39852327	Csángó
6.62480943	Serb_central
6.87062588	Romania_Maramures
6.96288733	Székely
7.28671394	Hungarian_Transylvania
7.32235618	Hungarian_Alföld
8.19024420	Hungarian
8.25674270	Romania_Moldavia_South
8.65216736	Romania_Crisana
8.90559375	Hungarian_Budapest
9.02777381	Romania_Transylvania

Distance to:	IonBasescul_mom_MyHeritage
5.86180859	Moldova_North
6.87753590	Bosniak_Bosnia_proper
7.60333479	Bosniak_Sarajevo
8.07523374	Bosniak_Krajina
8.17120554	Croat_Bosnia&Herzegovina
8.18280514	Moldova_average
8.31579822	Moldova_Centre
8.86507755	Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
8.99295836	Bosniak
9.09351967	Serb_north
9.11432938	Romania_Moldavia_North
9.16397294	Croat_East
9.40485513	Croat_Littoral
10.02540772	Serb
10.36692336	Croat
10.45405663	Serb_central
10.72422958	Romania_Maramures
11.58507229	Csángó
11.59522747	Hungarian_Alföld
12.27404579	Romania_Moldavia_South
12.42562674	Hungarian_Northern
12.42733278	Serb_south
12.70769845	Székely
12.90039922	Hungarian
12.90777673	Romania_average

I don't rlly see any differences for me but here are the results:

Distance: 2.10976715
Target: Luso
58.3 Spanish_Aragon
25.3 Swiss_Italian
7.0 Swedish
3.8 Algerian
2.2 Ethiopian_Tigray
1.8 Sandawe
1.6 Southwest_Finnish

Distance to: Luso
3.20937689 Portuguese
3.24086408 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
4.00842862 Spanish_Murcia
4.40542847 Spanish_Galicia
4.83487332 Spanish
4.98990982 Spanish_Cataluna
5.15888554 Spanish_Valencia
5.16947773 Spanish_Extremadura
6.00672956 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
6.66926533 FRA_Septimania
7.06527423 Spanish_Cantabria
7.22846457 Spanish_Andalucia
7.96462177 Swiss-Italian2
8.08659384 Swiss_Italian
8.26006659 Spanish_Aragon
9.33076096 Southwest_French
9.59571258 French
9.76610465 FRA_Provence
9.78630676 IT_Aosta_Valley
10.66864565 IT_Piedmont
10.98894444 FRA_Central
11.33091347 IT_Trentino
11.54409806 IT_Orobia
11.73568064 IT_Lombardy
12.14597053 IT_Insubria

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Originally Posted by Lucas

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Two almost identical Irish averages for Dodecad. I think the one in non-alphabetical order is to be deleted.

Also you keep forgetting Kaspias' Crimean Tatar average (not that it's super important) :)

Why is there a space before the first line (Abkhazian) in the updated Euro K13 spreadsheet?

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Originally Posted by Lucas

Cool but what to remove now:) Please post.

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Sure.:)

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Turk_Alexandroupoli,21.94,16.43,16.91,13.31,23.54,4.30,0,0.35,2.08,0.99,0,0.13,0
Turk_Burgas,19.03,11.49,14.52,19.18,23.94,3.15,1.32,2.12,4.28,0.44,0,0.16,0.37
Turk_Dobrich,18.15,22.61,15.49,12.65,18.85,4.32,2.72,2.17,0.35,1.73,0,0.59,0.38
Turk_Dobruja-Tatar,12.70,25.39,7.77,11.38,5.82,2.15,2.09,10.20,20.74,0.91,0.52,0,0.33
Turk_Drama,17.20,22.87,15.61,15.52,19.94,1.52,1.62,2.76,1.90,0.27,0.26,0.19,0.34
Turk_Edirne,13.92,14.66,16.81,19.56,20.22,2.35,3.04,3.03,5.28,0.53,0.53,0.07,0
Turk_Kardzhali-Alevi,17.75,17.11,15.37,21.97,16.46,0.9,0.12,4.61,5.19,0,0,0,0.53
Turk_Kardzhali-East,21.29,16.80,14.74,14.36,18.50,2.29,0.23,1.80,5.40,2.55,1.10,0.66,0.29
Turk_Kardzhali-Mountaineer,15.65,18.37,15.33,17.42,17.18,3.97,0,3.47,7.75,0.47,0,0.4,0       
Turk_Kardzhali-South-Plain,14.6,18.22,12.61,16.66,21.62,4.36,0.63,2.34,8.17,0.34,0,0.42,0.04
Turk_Kardzhali-West,16.43,21.01,14.99,15.94,16.79,3.94,3.41,3.15,3.24,0.79,0.31,0,0
Turk_Kavala,22.02,18.10,16.46,14.95,20.83,1.60,0,1.12,2.06,0.27,0.21,0,0.12
Turk_Kazanlik,20.10,16.93,17.68,11.70,22.85,1.50,2.76,1.72,3.09,0.72,0.59,0.37,0
Turk_Razgrad,21.27,22.84,14.09,12.92,19.33,1.03,2.24,2.57,2.24,0.25,0.12,0,1.10
Turk_Sliven-Alevi,20.29,20.76,14.36,19.19,13.55,2.51,2.98,2.70,1.95,1.38,0,0,0.33
Turk_Stara-Zagora,21.7,18.28,14.13,15.26,19.21,4.15,1.27,0.54,4.73,0.58,0,0.14,0
Turk_Targovishte,20.17,18.88,12.05,14.29,22.67,2.61,1.15,3.42,3.38,0.61,0.77,0,0
Turk_Thessaloniki,19.29,19.58,17.35,12.55,26.1,1.97,0,0.51,1.38,0.94,0,0,0.32
Turk_Xanthi,17.64,19.53,13.78,14.43,25.22,2.09,0,1.91,3.70,0.16,0.61,0,0
Turk_Komotini,14.83,18.25,12.70,15.92,22.85,2.77,1.68,1.92,6.80,0.87,0.46,0,0.95

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Distance to: Andre

3.26596081 Serb_south
3.46183477 Romania_Moldavia_South
3.96287774 Romania_Transylvania
4.00913956 Romania_Maramures
4.07308237 Romania_average
4.36727604 Bulgaria_Northwestern
4.41412505 Romania_Crisana
4.49706571 Montenegrin
4.51539589 Serb_central
4.59383282 Romania_Banat
4.87685349 Serb
4.89175838 Romania_Oltenia
5.16491045 Romania_Dobruja
5.26806416 Romania_Wallachia
5.29203175 Moldova_South
5.35659407 Pomak_Plovdiv
5.44190224 Romania_Moldavia_North
5.53314558 Bosniak_Sandzak
5.60279395 Romania_Muntenia
5.76411311 Moldova_Centre
5.80083615 Bulgaria_Southwestern
5.84374880 Moldova_average
5.93683417 Serb_north
6.21911569 Bosniak
6.26901109 Bulgaria_average

updated

Distance to: Stearsolina

4.65179535 Hungarian_Alföld
4.79614428 Hungarian
4.79646745 Hungarian_Budapest
4.83141801 Croat
4.85892992 Croat_north
5.09476202 Hungarian_Transdanubia
5.31404742 Croat_East
5.66190781 Slovenian
6.07842907 Bosniak_Krajina
6.12486735 Croat_Littoral
6.18673581 Hungarian_Transylvania
6.53330697 Hungarian_Northern
6.62190305 Csángó
6.66280722 Bosniak_Bosnia_proper
6.69527445 Székely
6.91244530 Croat_Bosnia&Herzegovina
7.29110417 Bosniak_Sarajevo
7.36825624 Bosniak
7.37693026 Moldova_North
7.73123535 Serb_north
7.82170429 Slovak
8.26548849 Romania_Moldavia_North
8.84700514 Serb
8.99079529 Serb_central
9.03538599 Moldova_Centre

Distance to: Stears

4.97043258 Hungarian_Transdanubia
5.06798777 Hungarian_Budapest
5.17339347 Hungarian
5.61604843 Croat_north
5.64990265 Hungarian_Alföld
6.07210837 Croat_East
6.20625491 Croat
6.34681810 Hungarian_Transylvania
6.72235078 Slovenian
6.74123876 Hungarian_Northern
6.92477436 Székely
7.14455037 Csángó
7.69354275 Croat_Littoral
7.94877349 Bosniak_Bosnia_proper
8.09610996 Slovak
8.40790699 Bosniak_Krajina
8.46106967 Croat_Bosnia&Herzegovina
8.52184252 Bosniak_Sarajevo
8.57161012 Moldova_North
8.66330191 Bosniak
8.87653649 Romania_Moldavia_North
8.95067037 Austrian
8.97809000 Czech
9.29952687 Serb_north
9.64298709 Moldova_Centre

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Originally Posted by andre

Distance to: Andre

3.26596081 Serb_south
3.46183477 Romania_Moldavia_South
3.96287774 Romania_Transylvania
4.00913956 Romania_Maramures
4.07308237 Romania_average
4.36727604 Bulgaria_Northwestern
4.41412505 Romania_Crisana
4.49706571 Montenegrin
4.51539589 Serb_central
4.59383282 Romania_Banat
4.87685349 Serb
4.89175838 Romania_Oltenia
5.16491045 Romania_Dobruja
5.26806416 Romania_Wallachia
5.29203175 Moldova_South
5.35659407 Pomak_Plovdiv
5.44190224 Romania_Moldavia_North
5.53314558 Bosniak_Sandzak
5.60279395 Romania_Muntenia
5.76411311 Moldova_Centre
5.80083615 Bulgaria_Southwestern
5.84374880 Moldova_average
5.93683417 Serb_north
6.21911569 Bosniak
6.26901109 Bulgaria_average

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I think these are the best averages that you've got so far.

Since the averages of Transdanubia and Budapest area are so close, and are also pretty much connected historically, I was thinking to merge these two and make a Transdanubia+Budapest single average. What do you guys think? I believe it's better if Hungary has only 3 regions+Transylvania.

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Dunai

Since the averages of Transdanubia and Budapest area are so close, and are also pretty much connected historically, I was thinking to merge these two and make a Transdanubia+Budapest single average. What do you guys think? I believe it's better if Hungary has only 3 regions+Transylvania.

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It's your choice ultimately. From my experience on Moldova and Romania, capital regions are close to the surrounding area, with minor differences attributed to migrants, both internal and external.

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Dunai

Since the averages of Transdanubia and Budapest area are so close, and are also pretty much connected historically, I was thinking to merge these two and make a Transdanubia+Budapest single average. What do you guys think? I believe it's better if Hungary has only 3 regions+Transylvania.

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Yeah, makes sense.

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Ion Basescul

It's your choice ultimately. From my experience on Moldova and Romania, capital regions are close to the surrounding area, with minor differences attributed to migrants, both internal and external.

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Yes, I do find larger region averages more helpful, rather than reducing them too much into sub-regions, unless if historically and culturally it is rather important to do so (as is the case of separating neighboring Székelys from Csángós).

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Dunai

Since the averages of Transdanubia and Budapest area are so close, and are also pretty much connected historically, I was thinking to merge these two and make a Transdanubia+Budapest single average. What do you guys think? I believe it's better if Hungary has only 3 regions+Transylvania.

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i agree with this idea

Now we finally have respectable sample size for Croatian regions, except for east(Slavonia), which should improve reliability of these averages:

Littoral 48
North 41
East 7
Bosnia-Herzegovina 52

However as already said there is a person possessing 70 Slavonian (eastern) Croat gedmatch kits, who agreed to share them and despite she still didn't there is a hope we see them one day and improve eastern average significantly.

Updated:

Distance to: Impaler
6.95099992 Turk_Bulgaria_Central
6.97003985 Turk_Bulgaria_Northeast
8.09246872 Turk_Eastern_Macedonia
8.12070810 Turk_Balkan_average
8.39867251 Pomak_Central-Macedonia
8.74612739 Turk_Western_Thrace
8.89303098 Bulgaria_Northeastern
9.15427769 Vlach(Aromanian)_average
9.23794349 MacedonianWest
9.51309098 Pomak_Drama
9.56806668 Bulgaria_Southeastern
9.62356483 Moldova_South_Gagauzia
9.68487997 MacedonianEast
9.69077396 Turk_Central_Macedonia
9.70603936 MacedonianCentral
9.76225896 Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander
9.78160519 MacedonianNorthWest
9.82931330 Bulgaria_Southcentral
9.86289511 Macedonian_Average
9.88468007 MacedonianPelagonia
9.97186542 Bulgaria_Northcentral
9.98393710 MacedonianSouthWest
10.03396731 Bulgaria_average
10.05594849 Bulgaria_Southwestern
10.05707214 MacedonianGreeceNorthWest

Distance: 235.5620% / 2.35561999
Target: Impaler | ADC: 0.25x RC
55.6 Turk_Central_Macedonia
20.9 Turk_Bulgaria_East
16.9 North_German
6.6 Chamar

Updated

Distance to: Oszkar
3.72317069 Austrian
5.04733593 German_East
6.84580163 German
7.72020077 Hungarian_Transdanubia
7.93366246 Hungarian_Budapest
8.14288647 Czech
8.20928133 Croat_north
8.25083632 Slovenian
8.77519800 Hungarian
9.59022419 Hungarian_Northern
9.87765876 Slovak
9.98206892 Hungarian_Alföld
10.03557173 FRA_Alsace
10.13897924 German_West
10.81012026 Swiss_German
11.34536469 Croat
11.34722874 North_German
11.42959317 Hungarian_Transylvania
11.68116861 Dutch_South
11.72224381 Swiss_German2
12.05646714 Pennsylvania_Dutch
12.07142494 Sorb_Lusatia
12.36786158 Székely
12.46889730 Croat_East
12.48244768 Sweden_Svealand_East
12.55726085 Swedish
12.70312954 Csángó
12.70418829 FRA_Belgica
12.93080431 Dutch
13.26481813 Swiss_French
13.46034546 Croat_Littoral
13.48333416 Dutch_Central
13.53704547 Dutch_North
13.72289692 North-Swedish
13.86021284 South_Polish
13.94702477 Sweden_Svealand_West
14.37213972 English_Southeast
14.55567587 Sweden_Götaland
14.57431302 Denmark
14.62748099 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
14.64223685 Bosniak_Bosnia_proper
14.68415813 English_Midlands
14.69716980 FRA_Armorica
14.82737333 Croat_Bosnia&Herzegovina
14.83493175 Bosniak_Krajina
14.90192269 Norway_South_Central
14.96533661 English
15.09196806 Bosniak
15.24642253 Norwegian
15.36027018 Bosniak_Sarajevo

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Impaler

Updated:

Distance to: Impaler
6.95099992 Turk_Bulgaria_Central
6.97003985 Turk_Bulgaria_Northeast
8.09246872 Turk_Eastern_Macedonia
8.12070810 Turk_Balkan_average
8.39867251 Pomak_Central-Macedonia
8.74612739 Turk_Western_Thrace
8.89303098 Bulgaria_Northeastern
9.15427769 Vlach(Aromanian)_average
9.23794349 MacedonianWest
9.51309098 Pomak_Drama
9.56806668 Bulgaria_Southeastern
9.62356483 Moldova_South_Gagauzia
9.68487997 MacedonianEast
9.69077396 Turk_Central_Macedonia
9.70603936 MacedonianCentral
9.76225896 Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander
9.78160519 MacedonianNorthWest
9.82931330 Bulgaria_Southcentral
9.86289511 Macedonian_Average
9.88468007 MacedonianPelagonia
9.97186542 Bulgaria_Northcentral
9.98393710 MacedonianSouthWest
10.03396731 Bulgaria_average
10.05594849 Bulgaria_Southwestern
10.05707214 MacedonianGreeceNorthWest

Distance: 235.5620% / 2.35561999
Target: Impaler | ADC: 0.25x RC
55.6 Turk_Central_Macedonia
20.9 Turk_Bulgaria_East
16.9 North_German
6.6 Chamar

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Try removing the Balkan Turk populations.

Okay, in K13, delete these:
Hungarian,30.52,32.40,14.21,7.17,10.58,1.23,0.92,0 .51,1.19,0.56,0.36,0.19,0.16
Hungarian_Budapest,31.23,32.45,14.11,7.29,9.79,1.3 7,0.91,0.59,1.06,0.51,0.3,0.22,0.16
Hungarian_Transdanubia,31.72,31.63,13.96,7.34,10.5 6,1.07,0.98,0.4,1.08,0.56,0.31,0.17,0.2

And add these:
Hungarian,30.43,32.55,14.23,7.16,10.44,1.29,0.9,0. 54,1.19,0.55,0.36,0.2,0.15
Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest,31.23,32.45,14.11, 7.29,9.79,1.37,0.91,0.59,1.06,0.51,0.3,0.22,0.16 (n=130)

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Impaler

Updated:

Distance to: Impaler
6.95099992 Turk_Bulgaria_Central
6.97003985 Turk_Bulgaria_Northeast
8.09246872 Turk_Eastern_Macedonia
8.12070810 Turk_Balkan_average
8.39867251 Pomak_Central-Macedonia
8.74612739 Turk_Western_Thrace
8.89303098 Bulgaria_Northeastern
9.15427769 Vlach(Aromanian)_average
9.23794349 MacedonianWest
9.51309098 Pomak_Drama
9.56806668 Bulgaria_Southeastern
9.62356483 Moldova_South_Gagauzia
9.68487997 MacedonianEast
9.69077396 Turk_Central_Macedonia
9.70603936 MacedonianCentral
9.76225896 Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander
9.78160519 MacedonianNorthWest
9.82931330 Bulgaria_Southcentral
9.86289511 Macedonian_Average
9.88468007 MacedonianPelagonia
9.97186542 Bulgaria_Northcentral
9.98393710 MacedonianSouthWest
10.03396731 Bulgaria_average
10.05594849 Bulgaria_Southwestern
10.05707214 MacedonianGreeceNorthWest

Distance: 235.5620% / 2.35561999
Target: Impaler | ADC: 0.25x RC
55.6 Turk_Central_Macedonia
20.9 Turk_Bulgaria_East
16.9 North_German
6.6 Chamar

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Try removing the Balkan Turk populations.

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Impaler

Updated:

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Quote:

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Originally Posted by Impaler

Distance to: Impaler
6.95099992 Turk_Bulgaria_Central
6.97003985 Turk_Bulgaria_Northeast
8.09246872 Turk_Eastern_Macedonia
8.12070810 Turk_Balkan_average
8.39867251 Pomak_Central-Macedonia
8.74612739 Turk_Western_Thrace
8.89303098 Bulgaria_Northeastern
9.15427769 Vlach(Aromanian)_average
9.23794349 MacedonianWest
9.51309098 Pomak_Drama
9.56806668 Bulgaria_Southeastern
9.62356483 Moldova_South_Gagauzia
9.68487997 MacedonianEast
9.69077396 Turk_Central_Macedonia
9.70603936 MacedonianCentral
9.76225896 Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander
9.78160519 MacedonianNorthWest
9.82931330 Bulgaria_Southcentral
9.86289511 Macedonian_Average
9.88468007 MacedonianPelagonia
9.97186542 Bulgaria_Northcentral
9.98393710 MacedonianSouthWest
10.03396731 Bulgaria_average
10.05594849 Bulgaria_Southwestern
10.05707214 MacedonianGreeceNorthWest

Distance: 235.5620% / 2.35561999
Target: Impaler | ADC: 0.25x RC
55.6 Turk_Central_Macedonia
20.9 Turk_Bulgaria_East
16.9 North_German
6.6 Chamar

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It's definitely simpler than that IMO.

The Balkan Roma are ca. 1/3 Chamar(-like).

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Leto

Two almost identical Irish averages for Dodecad. I think the one in non-alphabetical order is to be deleted.

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Yes, and delete Southwest English (k13/k15) and Ulster British (k15) please!

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Thracian

Sure.:)

Code:

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Turk_Alexandroupoli,21.94,16.43,16.91,13.31,23.54,4.30,0,0.35,2.08,0.99,0,0.13,0
Turk_Burgas,19.03,11.49,14.52,19.18,23.94,3.15,1.32,2.12,4.28,0.44,0,0.16,0.37
Turk_Dobrich,18.15,22.61,15.49,12.65,18.85,4.32,2.72,2.17,0.35,1.73,0,0.59,0.38
Turk_Dobruja-Tatar,12.70,25.39,7.77,11.38,5.82,2.15,2.09,10.20,20.74,0.91,0.52,0,0.33
Turk_Drama,17.20,22.87,15.61,15.52,19.94,1.52,1.62,2.76,1.90,0.27,0.26,0.19,0.34
Turk_Edirne,13.92,14.66,16.81,19.56,20.22,2.35,3.04,3.03,5.28,0.53,0.53,0.07,0
Turk_Kardzhali-Alevi,17.75,17.11,15.37,21.97,16.46,0.9,0.12,4.61,5.19,0,0,0,0.53
Turk_Kardzhali-East,21.29,16.80,14.74,14.36,18.50,2.29,0.23,1.80,5.40,2.55,1.10,0.66,0.29
Turk_Kardzhali-Mountaineer,15.65,18.37,15.33,17.42,17.18,3.97,0,3.47,7.75,0.47,0,0.4,0       
Turk_Kardzhali-South-Plain,14.6,18.22,12.61,16.66,21.62,4.36,0.63,2.34,8.17,0.34,0,0.42,0.04
Turk_Kardzhali-West,16.43,21.01,14.99,15.94,16.79,3.94,3.41,3.15,3.24,0.79,0.31,0,0
Turk_Kavala,22.02,18.10,16.46,14.95,20.83,1.60,0,1.12,2.06,0.27,0.21,0,0.12
Turk_Kazanlik,20.10,16.93,17.68,11.70,22.85,1.50,2.76,1.72,3.09,0.72,0.59,0.37,0
Turk_Razgrad,21.27,22.84,14.09,12.92,19.33,1.03,2.24,2.57,2.24,0.25,0.12,0,1.10
Turk_Sliven-Alevi,20.29,20.76,14.36,19.19,13.55,2.51,2.98,2.70,1.95,1.38,0,0,0.33
Turk_Stara-Zagora,21.7,18.28,14.13,15.26,19.21,4.15,1.27,0.54,4.73,0.58,0,0.14,0
Turk_Targovishte,20.17,18.88,12.05,14.29,22.67,2.61,1.15,3.42,3.38,0.61,0.77,0,0
Turk_Thessaloniki,19.29,19.58,17.35,12.55,26.1,1.97,0,0.51,1.38,0.94,0,0,0.32
Turk_Xanthi,17.64,19.53,13.78,14.43,25.22,2.09,0,1.91,3.70,0.16,0.61,0,0
Turk_Komotini,14.83,18.25,12.70,15.92,22.85,2.77,1.68,1.92,6.80,0.87,0.46,0,0.95

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Done

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Dunai

Yes, I do find larger region averages more helpful, rather than reducing them too much into sub-regions, unless if historically and culturally it is rather important to do so (as is the case of separating neighboring Székelys from Csángós).

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If Csangos reference is really needed? I read there are few thousands them now.

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Dunai

Okay, in K13, delete these:
Hungarian,30.52,32.40,14.21,7.17,10.58,1.23,0.92,0 .51,1.19,0.56,0.36,0.19,0.16
Hungarian_Budapest,31.23,32.45,14.11,7.29,9.79,1.3 7,0.91,0.59,1.06,0.51,0.3,0.22,0.16
Hungarian_Transdanubia,31.72,31.63,13.96,7.34,10.5 6,1.07,0.98,0.4,1.08,0.56,0.31,0.17,0.2

And add these:
Hungarian,30.43,32.55,14.23,7.16,10.44,1.29,0.9,0. 54,1.19,0.55,0.36,0.2,0.15
Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest,31.23,32.45,14.11, 7.29,9.79,1.37,0.91,0.59,1.06,0.51,0.3,0.22,0.16 (n=130)

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Done.

Distance to: Universe(hungarian)
4.91745869 Ukrainian_Ivano_Frankivsk
6.59097868 Hungarian_Northern
6.96850527 Slovak
7.93222541 Croat_East
8.19957926 Slovenian
8.29821065 Bosniak_Bosnia_proper
8.41940022 South_Polish
8.54535546 Croat
8.56040303 Sorb_Lusatia
8.64296824 Hungarian_Alföld
8.70425183 Czech
8.78829335 Croat_north
9.04845843 Hungarian
9.13637784 Ukrainian_Lviv
9.28479941 Ukrainian
9.50993165 Hungarian_Transdanubia+Budapest
9.98504382 Croat_Littoral
10.18466494 Moldova_North
10.33116644 Croat_Bosnia&Herzegovina
10.51708610 Bosniak_Sarajevo
11.18266516 Bosniak_Krajina
11.48936465 Polish
11.54340071 Bosniak
11.86099911 Southwest_Russian
11.97828452 Masurian

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Creoda

Yes, and delete Southwest English (k13/k15) and Ulster British (k15) please!

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Done.

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Leto

The Balkan Roma are ca. 1/3 Chamar(-like).

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I removed all Balkan_Turk samples + Balkan Roma, because there are 2 Roma samples. The fit is worse for me. For Mortimer is the best calculator ever with this run. He scored exactly his known ancestry(documented). But as you see even Thracian who is a Balkan Turk scored Romani. I just think these samples are not good for us to fit our ancestry.

Distance: 204.4986% / 2.04498621
Target: Mortimer | ADC: 0.25x RC
56.8 Romani
22.1 Vlach_North-Macedonia
14.4 Romania_Oltenia
3.5 Pomak_Kavala
3.2 IT_Aosta_Valley

Distance: 345.0657% / 3.45065662
Target: Impaler | ADC: 0.25x RC
42.7 Pomak_Central-Macedonia
19.9 Greek_Northern-Thrace
19.0 FRA_Provence
8.3 Turkmen
4.6 Austroasiatic_Ho
2.6 Romani
2.2 Ashkenazi
0.7 Yoruban

Distance: 107.5214% / 1.07521442
Target: Thracian | ADC: 0.25x RC
41.9 Pomak_Central-Macedonia
40.5 Greek_Istanbul
13.2 Romani
3.0 Dolgan
1.4 Tadjik

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Lucas

If Csangos reference is really needed? I read there are few thousands them now.

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Most definitely there has to be, since they have a most unique culture and also speak a very unique dialect of Hungarian. There are tens of thousands of Csángós, maybe close to 100.000, but indeed, only a few thousand still speak their language, since the rest adopted Romanian. However they are deeply Roman-Catholics, and mostly marry each other, while surrounding Moldavians are largely Orthodox.

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Lucas

If Csangos reference is really needed? I read there are few thousands them now.

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:mad: