Indigenous Balkan I2a1 in southern Albania

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Originally Posted by cosmoo

Actually it (more specifically I2a1b which is being discussed here) was found among northern hunter-gatherers. Loschbour from Luxembourg, Motala samples from Sweden, Pitted Ware samples from Gotland, Berry-au-Bac from France, that recent Estonian sample, etc.
The last haplogroup in Europe (together with northern I2a1a) to abandon hunting and gathering.
Native European haplo par excellence.

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Yes. That's what's been shown so far.

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Originally Posted by Ujku

I don't know how genetics work, so I'm asking and not implying anything. Shouldn't we look more like the other Slavs if we had that much of a percentage Slavic genes??

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It doesn't work like that.

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Originally Posted by catgeorge

Yes I am R1b. So?

Doesnt take away the fact I2 is an indigenous lineage pre Neolithic expansion. North and North Western Balkans probably mixed with Scythians that carried R1a and over a couple of millenia developed splits I2a1 and I2a2.

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R1b BY611?

As for I2, no one is saying that there wasn't once it time some I2 here but that happens not to be I2a1b CTS 10228 which is almost exclusive in Balkan I2a1.
I2a1b CTS 10228 arrived in Balkan as Slavs in 6th and 7th centuries.

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Originally Posted by Dick

I never bothered learning about other y-dna clades other than my own but I2a1 seems very interesting regarding the balkans. I wonder why it's more common with balkan slavs than with other slavs. Could be the same reason as to why E-v13 is more common with albanians. They fucked like rabbits and had 10+ kids per family since the middle ages. What else are you gonna do in the mountans other than fuck and eat.







http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplog...DNA.shtml#I2a1

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Dude you are a handsome man.

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Originally Posted by Dema

R1b BY611?

As for I2, no one is saying that there wasn't once it time some I2 here but that happens not to be I2a1b CTS 10228 which is almost exclusive in Balkan I2a1.
I2a1b CTS 10228 arrived in Balkan as Slavs in 6th and 7th centuries.

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I2a1b = Daddy indigenous to Europe - mummy most likely R1a/G or J or a fusion and combination of all I understand we need to keep it simple here.

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Originally Posted by Herr Abubu

It doesn't work like that.

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Can you explain me what this slavic gene means for us?? If it doesn't affect our appearance , then what does it do??

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Originally Posted by catgeorge

I2a1b = Daddy indigenous to Europe - mummy most likely R1a/G or J or a fusion and combination of all I understand we need to keep it simple here.

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Europe since the Meso/Neolithic is a result of R1, J and E males raping/taking U-women(the wives of I carriers)

Y-dna carriers can't be "mummy", you are misinformed.

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Originally Posted by Ujku

Can you explain me what this slavic gene means for us?? If it doesn't affect our appearance , then what does it do??

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Ydna doesn't play a role in appearance in fact it doesn't even play are role in autosomal results

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Originally Posted by Ujku

Can you explain me what this slavic gene means for us?? If it doesn't affect our appearance , then what does it do??

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Y-DNA is something you inherit no matter what from your father. If your father was from China with a typical Chinese Y-DNA marker 2k years ago, you'd still have it. It's useful for looking at migrations of populations with different Y-DNA distributions, but not at all useful on an individual basis or between populations with similar Y-DNA distributions. I2a and R1a are undoubtedly not native to the Balkans before the Slavic migrations, we know that anyone who has either of those haplogroups in the Balkans has paternally Slavic ancestry if you look far back enough. We can't tell what affects this has had on appearance after hundreds, maybe more than a thousand, years of mixing.

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Originally Posted by Dema

R1b BY611?

As for I2, no one is saying that there wasn't once it time some I2 here but that happens not to be I2a1b CTS 10228 which is almost exclusive in Balkan I2a1.
I2a1b CTS 10228 arrived in Balkan as Slavs in 6th and 7th centuries.

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Doubtful he tested, with such little knowledge.