Tenho a mania de escrever Defski em vez de Defcon2 não sei porquê mas é a mesma pessoa.
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Tenho a mania de escrever Defski em vez de Defcon2 não sei porquê mas é a mesma pessoa.
De onde vem trebaruna? Não concordei com ele, suponho que seria um velho membro do fórum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas
Brás=Viriato?
Considero más fiable esos datos puesto que la gente donadora de sangre es más numerosa que la gente testeada en haplogrupos paternos, y supongo esos datos estarán recogidos por multitud de laboratorios.Quote:
Originally Posted by gixajo
Crees que los porcentajes que se estiman en distribucion de haplogrupo en España, sean diferentes?Quote:
Originally Posted by Defcon2
Defski é um user portugues do forum anthrogenica. Não será esse que tens aí?Quote:
Originally Posted by Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas
:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas
O Viriato sou eu, a Trebaruna é a minha mulher.Quote:
Originally Posted by gixajo
É daí a confusão mas estas coordenadas são as do Defcon2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Damião de Góis
Si hicieron bien el muestreo no debería variar mucho de la realidad. Todo depende del margen de error. Pero sí, los tipos de sangre estarán mejor estudiados y tendrán más número de muestras, y desde hace mucho más tiempo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Defcon2
Tienes toda la ración del muslo.Digo...tienes toda la razón del mundo.
Lo más seguro, según Eupedia hay 6 regiones españolas con entre 100 y 250 muestras (!) solo Cataluña tiene más de 1000, por lo que el número total debe ser ínfimo. Y debe ser de los mejores sitios con información sobre esto.Quote:
Originally Posted by Celtíbero Itálico
Para mí eupedia es de las mejores referencias. Como crees que estaría distribuido en tu opinión personal? Sabiendo que el R1b y el E1b es lo que más hay en España.Quote:
Originally Posted by Defcon2
Recuerdo hace mucho tiempo que Cataluña tenía más de un 80% R1b y ahora tiene números más acorde al promedio nacional, un 66.5%.Quote:
Originally Posted by Celtíbero Itálico
En realidad los clados principales (R, E, J, G...) deberían de estar todos cerca del promedio nacional pero esa no es la cuestión, el problema viene cuando toca hacer mapas de haplogrupos más especificos que hacen falta muchos más.
Es verdad, aunque ojo que Cataluña tiene su propio subclado del DF27, se los han otorgado en bandejita de plata. Yo esos números absurdos de DF27 en Cataluña siempre me parecieron desacertados, un 70% viene mejor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Defcon2
Vasconcelos es Ruderico?Quote:
Originally Posted by Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas
Lo sé por MrsVasconcelos (su novia) que plotaba cerca de mi en ese gráfico y él más arriba :lol:
Veo que ese perfil tiene 8000 mensajes y está baneado, me parece que me voy a divertir viendo sus mensajes :rolleyes:
No me digais nada por ahora cabrones.
https://i.imgur.com/BfJD5AF.png
Fiz mais um PCA com as vossas coordenadas escaladas. Usei todas as amostras da Europa e fiz zoom na nossa região para não ser extremamente confuso. Escrevi também os vossos nomes e o máximo de regiões que consegui (algumas não escrevi propositadamente para não ficar tudo amontoado e imperceptível, mas se tiverem curiosidade a qual amostra correspondem é só perguntar).
O Defcon está bastante próximo da Andaluzia, região dos seus ancestrais.
Ele é Extremenho mas está próximo.Quote:
Originally Posted by PT Tagus
Trenito = Trentino? :lol:
Já eu estou longe do Alentejo...Quote:
Originally Posted by PT Tagus
ya, por vezes confundo as duas regiões. :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas
Eu estou na terra de ninguém. :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Damião de Góis
Sim, lol. Enganei-me. É Trentino-Alto Ádige.Quote:
Originally Posted by Damião de Góis
Improvisé una calculadora con muestras modernas que según mi opinión representan con brocha muy gorda lo que es celta brumoso. Los he catalogado como celta-germanico, celta-italico y cosas así puesto que no son celtas. Celto-Iberico es una referencia para representar a los celtiberos y franco-alpinos, los francos célticos.
No sirve para saber el porcentaje celta, sino más bien para saber supuestamente de donde podría provenir esa herencia o cual es tu mayor afinidad.
En el spoiler pongo algunos resultados, si queréis abridlo cuando ya sepais el vuestro.
Spoiler!
Unscaled.
Target: Juan
Distance: 1.4246% / 0.01424604
44.4 Celto-Iberico
39.2 Celto-Italico
16.4 Franco-Alpino
Code:Celto-Iberico:Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01500,0.0093,0.014,0.0103,-0.0019,0.0134,0.0004,0.0001,0.0016,0.0147,0.0157,-0.0033,0.0065,-0.0076,-0.0077,0.0102,-0.0068,-0.0097,0.0004,-0.0029,-0.0107,-0.0014,-0.0043,0.003,-0.0049,-0.0059
Celto-Iberico:Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01501,0.0091,0.0139,0.0118,-0.0005,0.0147,0.0006,-0.0018,0.0032,0.0144,0.0146,0.0005,0.004,-0.0055,-0.0057,0.0073,-0.0073,-0.0069,-0.0016,-0.005,0.0004,0.0018,0.0026,0.0044,-0.0013,0.0008
Celto-Iberico:Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01506,0.01,0.0146,0.0101,0.0004,0.0146,0.001,-0.0005,0.0012,0.0126,0.0178,-0.0015,0.0052,-0.0113,-0.0128,0.0096,-0.0007,0.001,-0.0029,-0.0029,0.0048,0.0003,-0.0005,-0.0042,-0.0002,-0.0018
Celto-Italico:Italian_Lombardy:ALP288,0.0107,0.0143,0.0078,-0.0036,0.0097,-0.0023,0.0005,0.0018,0.0056,0.0118,0.0016,0.0066,-0.0099,-0.0026,0.0003,-0.0021,0.0055,0.0008,0.0028,-0.005,-0.0021,-0.0039,0.0025,0.0031,0.0001
Celto-Italico:Italian_Lombardy:BGD103,0.011,0.0146,0.0078,-0.0019,0.0102,-0.0022,-0.0006,-0.003,0.0053,0.0166,0.0002,0.0048,-0.0077,-0.001,-0.0059,-0.0102,-0.0127,0.0019,0.0094,0.0003,-0.0002,0.0065,-0.0016,0.0027,0.0028
Celto-Italico:Italian_Lombardy:BGD28,0.0113,0.0146,0.0081,-0.0048,0.0123,-0.0018,-0.001,-0.0002,0.005,0.0165,-0.0034,0.0073,-0.0092,-0.007,0.0024,-0.0018,-0.0033,0,0.0025,-0.0007,0.0001,-0.0025,0.0026,0.0035,-0.0045
Celto-Italico:Italian_Lombardy:BGD301,0.0107,0.0146,0.0065,-0.006,0.0109,-0.0042,0.0012,0.0012,0.0046,0.021,-0.0059,0.0065,-0.0117,-0.0042,0.0006,-0.0032,-0.0078,0.0011,0.0016,-0.0083,-0.0006,0.0062,-0.0025,0.0003,0.0035
Celto-Italico:Italian_Lombardy:BGD31,0.011,0.0147,0.0069,-0.005,0.0101,-0.0034,0.0013,0.0002,0.0049,0.0162,-0.0002,0.0046,-0.0098,-0.0023,-0.0006,-0.0124,-0.0137,0.0032,-0.0026,-0.0027,-0.0062,-0.0013,-0.0037,0.0031,0.0016
Celto-Germanico:Austrian:Austria1,0.011,0.0135,0.0134,0.0084,0.0106,0.0045,0.0021,0.0034,0.0022,0.0015,-0.0052,-0.0008,0.0101,-0.0018,-0.0066,-0.0036,-0.0149,0.0039,0.0049,-0.0029,-0.0023,-0.0005,-0.0045,-0.0004,-0.0014
Celto-Germanico:Austrian:Austria10,0.0109,0.0138,0.0118,0.0036,0.0129,0.0048,0.0042,-0.0008,0.0038,0.0094,-0.0037,0.0045,-0.0091,-0.002,-0.0015,0.0063,0.0034,-0.0035,0.0002,0.0009,-0.0016,0.0019,-0.0026,-0.0008,-0.0074
Celto-Germanico:Austrian:Austria11,0.0114,0.0139,0.0136,0.0098,0.0116,0.002,-0.0012,0.0024,0.0038,0.0094,-0.0029,0.0007,-0.0017,0.0052,0.0022,-0.0027,0.0029,-0.0002,0.0044,0.0033,-0.0046,-0.0093,-0.004,0.0033,0.005
Celto-Germanico:Austrian:Austria12,0.0109,0.0129,0.0133,0.0115,0.0106,0.0036,0.0026,0.0043,0.0059,0.0028,-0.0052,-0.0089,0.0041,0.0048,-0.0018,-0.0002,-0.0068,-0.0009,0.0015,0.0046,0.0023,-0.0053,0.0065,0.009,-0.0061
Celto-Germanico:Austrian:Austria13,0.0123,0.013,0.0154,0.0093,0.0091,0.0041,0.0017,0.0038,0.0022,0.0004,-0.0015,-0.0042,-0.0022,0.0093,-0.003,0.0035,0.0126,0.002,0.0024,0.0073,-0.0006,-0.0026,0.0077,0.0056,0.0031
Celto-Germanico:Austrian:Austria14,0.0118,0.0136,0.0151,0.0082,0.0107,0.0053,0.0012,0.0014,-0.0037,0.0022,-0.0084,0.0025,-0.0028,0.0013,0.0017,-0.0057,-0.008,0.0033,0.0069,-0.0002,-0.0025,0.002,-0.0043,0.0031,-0.003
Celto-Germanico:Austrian:Austria15,0.0109,0.0136,0.0178,0.0151,0.0126,0.0077,0.0048,0.0056,0.0028,0.0012,-0.0007,-0.0009,0.0007,-0.0002,-0.0078,0.0013,0.0099,-0.0001,-0.0034,-0.0029,0.0055,-0.0077,0.0012,0.0039,-0.0018
Celto-Germanico:Austrian:Austria16,0.0118,0.0134,0.0141,0.0114,0.0137,0.005,0.0033,0.0021,0.0001,-0.0009,-0.0019,-0.0019,-0.0037,0.0023,0.0023,0.0043,0.0076,0.0019,0.0019,0.0036,0.0023,-0.0025,0.0038,0.0045,0.0019
Celto-Germanico:Austrian:Austria17,0.0111,0.013,0.015,0.0132,0.0132,0.0048,0.0025,0.0041,-0.0012,-0.0012,-0.0057,-0.0005,-0.0024,0.0032,0.0078,0.0099,0.0045,-0.0035,0.0019,0.005,-0.0008,0.0027,0.0014,0.0021,-0.0068
Celto-Germanico:Austrian:Austria2,0.0119,0.0125,0.0159,0.0139,0.0089,0.0084,0.0031,0.0032,0.0003,-0.0034,-0.0023,0.0042,-0.0013,-0.0014,0.0006,0.0111,-0.001,0.0035,0.0123,-0.0096,-0.001,-0.0051,-0.0016,0.0047,-0.0015
Celto-Germanico:Austrian:Austria3,0.0109,0.0117,0.0133,0.0102,0.0119,0.0045,0.0034,0.0017,0.0013,-0.0025,0.0025,0.0047,0.0012,0.0029,0.0026,-0.0042,-0.0162,-0.0066,0.0041,0.0022,-0.0002,-0.0019,-0.0019,-0.0047,0.0012
Celto-Germanico:Austrian:Austria4,0.0114,0.0128,0.0136,0.0048,0.0112,0.0008,0.0002,0.0011,0.0013,0.0091,0.0003,0.0055,-0.0071,-0.0094,0.007,-0.0019,0.002,0.0086,0.0012,0.0052,0.0001,0.0053,0.012,0.0052,0.0013
Celto-Germanico:Austrian:Austria5,0.0115,0.0132,0.0184,0.0149,0.0112,0.0047,0.0062,0.0052,-0.0005,-0.0052,-0.0014,0.0023,0.004,0.0099,-0.0105,-0.0035,-0.0114,0.0013,0.0045,-0.0011,0.0055,-0.0049,0.006,-0.0015,0.002
Celto-Germanico:Austrian:Austria6,0.011,0.0144,0.0159,0.013,0.0121,0.0059,0.0079,0.0005,-0.0021,-0.0019,-0.0047,-0.0042,-0.0002,0.0123,0.0066,0.0098,0.0006,0.0016,0.0006,0.0058,-0.0019,-0.0018,-0.007,0.004,0.0025
Celto-Germanico:Austrian:Austria7,0.0122,0.0131,0.0129,0.0108,0.0099,0.0025,0.0014,0.0021,0.0019,-0.0019,0.0003,0.0009,0,0.0009,-0.0007,0.0139,0.0084,-0.0049,0.0046,0.0008,-0.003,-0.0005,0.0067,0.0041,0.0012
Celto-Germanico:Austrian:Austria8,0.0107,0.0142,0.0141,0.0081,0.0107,0.0045,0.0041,0.0042,0.0035,0.0056,-0.005,-0.0018,-0.0001,-0.0023,0.0058,0.0099,0.0019,-0.0033,-0.0052,0.0003,0.0008,-0.0043,-0.0012,-0.0046,-0.0072
Celto-Germanico:Austrian:Austria9,0.0111,0.0134,0.0116,0.0061,0.0112,0.0035,0.0048,0.0017,0.0019,0.0011,0.0049,0.0068,-0.0043,-0.0006,0.0016,-0.0008,0.0074,0.0075,0.0002,-0.0109,-0.0115,-0.002,0.0048,0.0043,0.0024
Franco-Alpino:Swiss_French1,0.0116,0.0134,0.0096,0.0016,0.0121,-0.0019,0.0016,0.005,0.0056,0.0115,-0.0006,0.0031,-0.0108,-0.0141,0.0085,0.0003,0.0033,-0.0072,-0.0006,0.008,0.0124,0.0035,-0.0096,0.0068,-0.0014
Franco-Alpino:Swiss_French2,0.0105,0.0142,0.0108,0.0046,0.0133,0.0025,0.0013,0.0004,0.0058,0.008,-0.0009,0.0078,-0.0126,-0.0155,0.0041,0.0028,-0.0025,0.0057,0.0067,-0.0075,0.0111,0.0109,0.0029,-0.0006,-0.0056
Franco-Alpino:Swiss_French3,0.0111,0.0148,0.0137,0.002,0.0138,0.0003,-0.0053,-0.0005,0.007,0.0167,-0.0008,0.0033,-0.0102,0.0008,0.0077,-0.0113,-0.01,0.0025,0.0036,-0.0088,0.0064,0.005,0.009,0.0031,0.0042
Franco-Alpino:Swiss_French4,0.0109,0.0145,0.0105,0.0009,0.0121,0.004,0.0028,-0.0016,0.0036,0.0139,-0.0017,0.0037,-0.0105,-0.0044,0.0083,0.0023,0.0013,-0.0026,0.0004,0.0024,-0.0059,0.0017,0.007,0.0025,-0.0073
Franco-Alpino:Swiss_French5,0.0106,0.015,0.0091,0.0046,0.0135,0.0007,-0.0008,-0.0003,0.0065,0.0069,0.002,0.0093,-0.0094,-0.0138,0.0007,0.0067,0.019,-0.0009,0.0013,0.0082,0.0029,0.0013,0.0067,0.0028,-0.0093
Franco-Alpino:Swiss_French6,0.0114,0.0136,0.0112,0.0017,0.0119,0.0042,0.0016,0.0029,0.0065,0.0141,-0.0003,0.0007,-0.0091,-0.0128,0.0054,-0.0079,0.0041,-0.0043,0.0045,-0.0027,0.0067,0.0006,0.0056,0.0056,0.0031
Franco-Alpino:Swiss_French7,0.0118,0.014,0.0124,0.0033,0.014,0.0041,-0.0012,0.003,0.0081,0.0078,-0.002,0.0065,-0.012,-0.0056,0.0075,0.0153,0.0186,-0.0028,0.0018,0.0053,0.0006,-0.0018,-0.0084,-0.0014,-0.0001
Franco-Alpino:Swiss_French8,0.0116,0.0146,0.0106,0.0066,0.0163,0.0047,0.0028,0.0011,0.0031,0.0064,0.0006,0.0008,-0.0113,-0.0074,0.007,0.0049,0.0015,-0.0006,0.0056,-0.0071,-0.0035,0.0024,-0.0024,-0.0017,0.0132
Target: AQuote:
Originally Posted by Defcon2
Distance: 1.6887% / 0.01688669
51.8 Franco-Alpino
23.2 Celto-Iberico
14.0 Celto-Germanico
11.0 Celto-Italico
Borra el Alejandro viejo, y el Balto-Alejandro, hazme el favor y pon Alejandro. :picard1:
Target: Viriato
Distance: 1.0085% / 0.01008525
71.2 Celto-Iberico
15.4 Celto-Germanico
13.4 Celto-Italico
Eso no estaría mal...Quote:
Originally Posted by Noff
Calculadora de Defcon
Target: PT_Tagus
Distance: 1.0034% / 0.01003391
53.2 Celto-Iberico
23.2 Franco-Alpino
15.2 Celto-Italico
8.4 Celto-Germanico
Code:Distance to: PT_Tagus
0.01440798 Celto-Iberico:Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01501
0.01732743 Celto-Italico:Italian_Lombardy:BGD28
0.01839538 Celto-Iberico:Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01506
0.01929585 Celto-Iberico:Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01500
0.02138574 Celto-Italico:Italian_Lombardy:BGD301
0.02363620 Celto-Italico:Italian_Lombardy:BGD31
0.02401375 Franco-Alpino:Swiss_French4
0.02514359 Celto-Germanico:Austrian:Austria10
0.02523133 Celto-Italico:Italian_Lombardy:ALP288
0.02542892 Franco-Alpino:Swiss_French3
0.02560371 Celto-Italico:Italian_Lombardy:BGD103
0.02571245 Franco-Alpino:Swiss_French1
0.02579515 Franco-Alpino:Swiss_French6
0.02799321 Franco-Alpino:Swiss_French2
0.02902654 Celto-Germanico:Austrian:Austria8
0.02976710 Celto-Germanico:Austrian:Austria4
0.03080958 Celto-Germanico:Austrian:Austria14
0.03227460 Celto-Germanico:Austrian:Austria11
0.03331231 Celto-Germanico:Austrian:Austria3
0.03349985 Franco-Alpino:Swiss_French8
0.03403880 Celto-Germanico:Austrian:Austria1
0.03554321 Celto-Germanico:Austrian:Austria12
0.03696809 Celto-Germanico:Austrian:Austria16
0.03710000 Celto-Germanico:Austrian:Austria17
0.03789657 Franco-Alpino:Swiss_French5
Target: gixajoQuote:
Originally Posted by Defcon2
Distance: 0.9711% / 0.00971104
89.0 Celto-Iberico
9.4 Celto-Germanico
1.6 Celto-Italico
Target: gixajo
Distance: 0.9711% / 0.00971104
64.0 Celto-Iberico:Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01506
25.0 Celto-Iberico:Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01500
9.4 Celto-Germanico:Austrian:Austria6
1.6 Celto-Italico:Italian_Lombardy:BGD301
Añado a mis resultados los de la opción aggregate :No.
Edit: y las distancias:
Distance to: gixajo
0.01235921 Celto-Iberico:Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01506
0.01777667 Celto-Iberico:Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01501
0.02052632 Celto-Iberico:Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon:HG01500
0.02083459 Celto-Italico:Italian_Lombardy:BGD28
0.02097236 Franco-Alpino:Swiss_French4
0.02363176 Celto-Germanico:Austrian:Austria10
0.02531106 Celto-Italico:Italian_Lombardy:BGD301
0.02577867 Celto-Italico:Italian_Lombardy:ALP288
0.02756429 Franco-Alpino:Swiss_French1
0.02778273 Celto-Germanico:Austrian:Austria8
0.02791397 Celto-Italico:Italian_Lombardy:BGD31
0.02871672 Franco-Alpino:Swiss_French6
0.02978993 Celto-Germanico:Austrian:Austria4
0.03077613 Franco-Alpino:Swiss_French3
0.03081104 Franco-Alpino:Swiss_French8
0.03086859 Celto-Germanico:Austrian:Austria11
0.03137547 Franco-Alpino:Swiss_French2
0.03172664 Franco-Alpino:Swiss_French7
0.03234548 Celto-Italico:Italian_Lombardy:BGD103
0.03442514 Celto-Germanico:Austrian:Austria14
0.03514527 Franco-Alpino:Swiss_French5
0.03585094 Celto-Germanico:Austrian:Austria17
0.03655133 Celto-Germanico:Austrian:Austria16
0.03688469 Celto-Germanico:Austrian:Austria9
0.03749440 Celto-Germanico:Austrian:Austria3
Hermano, sabes algo te este subclado?Quote:
Originally Posted by Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas
https://i.imgur.com/kaSwCrg.png
Ao que tudo indica é uma mutação de R-DF21\L21. É uma ramificação do nosso haplogrupo (L21).Quote:
Originally Posted by Celtíbero Itálico
https://i.imgur.com/b812x9g.pngQuote:
Originally Posted by Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas
https://i.imgur.com/ISZ6rDC.png
Al parecer soy negativo en DF21, L96, y DF49. No se si caere en DF13 o DF63. Que confusion... Bueno, a conformarse con el L21 por ahora. xD
Atenção que o morley está bastante desactualizado (muitos dos haplogrupos e SNPs que eles usam já não usam esses nomes) e nem sempre é a melhor ferramenta no que toca a precisão. Há membros no TA a quem o morley previu um certo haplogrupo e depois quando fizeram um teste de adn deu-lhes outra coisa completamente diferente.Quote:
Originally Posted by Celtíbero Itálico
No teu caso o YSEQ deu-te L21 portanto existe 99.9% de probabilidade de pertenceres a esse haplogrupo.
Se que Morley esta desactualizado, a pesar de que ellos tienen SNPs que los Haplotrees no tienen, pero en efecto soy L21 viendolo desde mi raw data, no se si el test que te hiciste es con SNP o STR, pero con SNP seria asi:Quote:
Originally Posted by Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas
rs11799226 Y 15654428 GG
Significa positivo en L21, no fui testeado por P312, pero soy negativo en U106, es mas que obvio supongo.
Target: Gil_Vicente
Distance: 0.8034% / 0.00803414
39.0 Celto-Iberico
37.2 Franco-Alpino
23.2 Celto-Italico
0.6 Celto-Germanico
Acaban de publicar este thread , Ancient European components G25 cal. : https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...nents-G25-Calc
Del tipo de calculadores que le gustan a celti.
Quote:
Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 4.3290% / 0.04329044
53.4 Farmer
27.0 Indo-European
16.0 EuropeanHunterGatherer
3.6 Paleolithic_North_African
Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 4.4267% / 0.04426652 | ADC: 0.25x
55.4 Farmer
28.2 Indo-European
14.6 EuropeanHunterGatherer
1.8 Paleolithic_North_African
Sources:
Code:Farmer:Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0708,0.119514,0.173656,-0.003017,-0.101745,0.042469,-0.046854,-0.00094,-0.012692,0.021066,0.074717,0.009419,0.009142,-0.017691,0.000963,-0.041938,-0.007955,0.024121,0.000633,0.015209,-0.013882,-0.022336,0.008903,-0.012448,-0.012652,-0.007305
Indo-European:Yamnaya_RUS_Samara:I0357,0.126344,0.092413,0.038089,0.107883,-0.029852,0.039324,0.00564,-0.008077,-0.043768,-0.065605,-0.001137,-0.00015,-0.003568,-0.024772,0.035287,0.01896,0.00013,0.003167,-0.005279,0.004877,0.003619,0.006925,0.008504,0.012532,-0.005269
European_Hunter_Gatherer:NOR_N_HG:Steigen,0.129758,0.075149,0.156882,0.189602,0.053548,0.066655,-0.00047,0.006,0.022702,-0.054489,0.007632,-0.018583,0.031962,-0.024222,0.026058,0.044152,0.002217,0.00114,-0.002011,0.03039,0.024956,0.010016,-0.008997,-0.060852,0.005508
European Hunter Gatherer:whg:I1875,0.130897,0.120848,0.191577,0.194447,0.159107,0.048248,0.015746,0.040152,0.087332,0.007472,-0.016076,-0.015436,0.017839,-0.003303,0.047909,0.047069,0.007302,0.018497,-0.003268,0.057027,0.087471,0.00915,-0.048436,-0.143153,0.01449
Indo-European:GEO_CHG:KK1,0.091058,0.102568,-0.083344,-0.00323,-0.08617,0.020638,0.024911,-0.001846,-0.128236,-0.074717,-0.006333,0.023979,-0.054856,0.004404,0.026601,-0.03275,0.02386,-0.013429,-0.022249,0.034767,0.033815,-0.007048,0.006532,-0.025787,-0.002036
Natufian:Levant_PPNB:I1710,0.092197,0.182795,-0.021873,-0.134046,0.0397,-0.058009,-0.01034,-0.00923,0.061971,0.038452,0.016564,-0.015586,0.032111,-0.006606,-0.042073,0.020949,0.024251,0.009248,-0.01169,0.026638,-0.001622,0.007296,-0.006409,-0.011206,-0.0097
Paleolithic_North_African: MAR_Taforalt:TAF009,-0.162767,0.07718,-0.024513,-0.079135,0.009848,-0.047969,-0.052877,0.020538,0.13294,0.002005,0.025333,-0.026676,0.057978,-0.052985,0.072882,-0.034076,0.002347,-0.05625,-0.130475,0.04152,-0.026204,-0.120314,0.067909,-0.016508,0.012334
East_Asian: MNG_Mongol:I13961,0.050082,-0.299581,0.035449,-0.026486,-0.035391,-0.003626,0.013631,0.014307,-0.007772,-0.001276,-0.043845,-0.008992,-0.000446,0.006468,0.004886,-0.000663,-0.004433,-0.005194,-0.000754,0.002501,-0.016596,0.007296,-0.002465,-0.006507,-0.000599
Me imagino que los españoles de este foro deben tener bastante conocimiento sobre el tema. ¿Qué se sabe del R1A en España? me salió el R1a - Z93 en 23andme. De lo que he investigado sé que el R1a tiene un porcentaje muy bajo en España y la versión asiática que me salio a mi (Z93) es aún más rara. El R1a español debería venir de las estepas en algúna invasión desde allá, pero mi versión asiática (Z93) no cuadra en esa versión.
Por otro lado mi apellido paterno supuestamente tiene su origen en Burgos, que está cercano a Cantabria. Según lo que leí más atrás en Cantabria se da una proporción más alta de R1a, y hay una población de allí que denominan los pasiegos que también tiene una proporción más alta de R1a. ¿Es Cantabria la región que tiene más R1a en España? ¿Hay un porcentaje alto en otras regiones? ¿Cuáles serían las migraciónes o eventos históricos que explican el R1a en España y en las zonas con alta frecuencia en particular?
Mira, yo creo que ese R1a-Z93 es exactamente de los escitas que se unieron a los visigodos, y son remanentes que se quedaron detras de la corniza cantabrica por tema de la invasion musulmana. Creo que los visigodos poco se molestaron en repoblar la peninsula cuando se fue reconquistando, por eso casi no hay R1a en otros lugares de España, solo en Asturias y Cantabria.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nelju
Posiblemente te puedan responder mejor los nativos españoles, aunque esta es mi opinion basado en lo que he podido leer. Yo tambien tengo mis dudas sobre mi R1b-L21, el cual asumire con mucha ignorancia que eran de los gallaicoi o los astures que resistieron por el noroeste de la peninsula, porque no me explico que no sea el DF27.
Una locura de calculadora, de las peores que he visto nunca. CHG indo-europeo? Sin el EHG?, Natufian es Levant_PPNB? Barbaro! Levant_PPNB es el pre de los EEF y Natufians. Mal calculadora.Quote:
Originally Posted by gixajo
A mi también me parece rarísima esa calculadora.Quote:
Originally Posted by Celtíbero Itálico
El que diseño la calculadora era claramente alguien que sacaba mucho CHG y poca estepa y metio ambas en un mismo combo, para sacar indo-europeo, seguro seguro seguro...Quote:
Originally Posted by Defcon2