Is Haplogroup I-M170 a white haplogroup

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Originally Posted by KidMulat

Lol okay the equivalent to aboriculture and vegiculture found in Paleolithic Korea and Japan; the oldest example I know of people actually bring plants with them to grow would be 60k Australians who brought the Baobab

http://www.uq.edu.au/nuq/jack/Boab%20Origins.html

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You said 10k years ago, the article says 7k years before there's anything but some remnants of tubers on tools.

I am not trying to belittle their accomplishments but real farming that far back would be a big deal. Maybe they did have some by then, but I don't think that's enough to go by and from other sites and reactions to them they expect more than that.

The Loschbour man from Luxembourg had y-dna I (I2) and had darker skin according to his genotype for SLC24A5 and SLC45A5, unlike modern Europeans.

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

You said 10k years ago, the article says 7k years before there's anything but some remnants of tubers on tools.

I am not trying to belittle their accomplishments but real farming that far back would be a big deal. Maybe they did have some by then, but I don't think that's enough to go by and from other sites and reactions to them they expect more than that.

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7k? No the article I put up says 10k and it is "real farming" as it extended across Oceania and into South India leaving behind the Banana, Taro and Sugarcane two of the three being quite a big deal.

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

They are saying it's what germans were before they learned german

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In such case, Lithuanians are autosomally-wise more Germanic than Germanics themselves ;D

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

but I don't think that is a very good conclusion. It mainly shows they don't really know history that well, a recurring theme for the people doing the genetic part of archaeology.

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I think a generalisation may be necessary in some cases(if you learn basics) but goddamit, when the same people repeat the same for years, it becomes annoying.

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Originally Posted by Loki

Proto because exactly it's before the emergence of Germanic. But the current bearers in the Balkan bear closer resemblance to Scandinavians than to, say, Poles and Russians. There is a close relation between I in the Balkan and Scandinavia. It predates Germanic but is from the same source stock. Upper Paleolithic.

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:lol00002:

http://api.ning.com/files/BykvwnNi9L..._HA_OH_WOW.jpg

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

It's funny everyone always just parrots that E1b and J are neolithic farmer DNA. They just pull that out of thin air. Well, this is every y-dna study done for neolithic (and some for other areas).

Since there's both I and J in aboriginal canary islanders we can rule out the idea it came from neolithic farmers, especially since they are brother clades.

So where are they, exactly? We have ZERO J neolithic farmers. We have just one E-v13, which is among a bunch of G - since this is no doubt a seafaring med. culture this could easily be a slave.

We have quite a bit of I among neolithic farmers, though. So what does that say about any of this...? They could easily be the ones who invented farming in balkans before the G men started to arrive from the east. Especially since I seems to radiate out of the area where first known bronze tools have been recently found.

It's funny that there's so many giant assumptions based on where things are today and some intense wishful thinking brought on by nationalistic fantasies.

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It's funny that your post has nothing to do with the OP and appears to be a shot at me because you're butthurt that I made you look like a fool in this thread again by 1) pointing out your failure to know basic history when you claimed one civilization is older than another and 2) pointing out you "correcting me" over something I never said makes you look dumb at best and dishonest at worst.

Look, it's quite simple. I always win when we go head to head. The reason is simple: I'm not an idiot. You are a idiot. So simply take your loss and move on.

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Originally Posted by KidMulat

7k? No the article I put up says 10k and it is "real farming" as it extended across Oceania and into South India leaving behind the Banana, Taro and Sugarcane two of the three being quite a big deal.

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Was this another example of Melonhead's inability to read English, lolz. I haven't read the article but I'll assume it was.

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It's not likely to be african in origin, its brother clade is in india and it didn't make it to SSA until historic times FFS....

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Nnnno.

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It's part of an ancient society that's completely unrelated to the pyramid builders and doesn't center in Egypt and is also caucasoid....

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Nnnno.

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No, that is wrong on many counts. J was already in europe, and most of the neolithic farmers spreading into europe were G. E1B's role is not that clear but it's now clear that even if it were neolithic farmers, the ones coming into europe over land from the east are not related to the ones in the balkans which came much earlier....

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Nnnno.

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Originally Posted by Artek

:lol00002:

http://api.ning.com/files/BykvwnNi9L..._HA_OH_WOW.jpg

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Knew you'd like it :thumb001:

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Originally Posted by chwarae

The Loschbour man from Luxembourg had y-dna I (I2) and had darker skin according to his genotype for SLC24A5 and SLC45A5, unlike modern Europeans.

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So it's technically a 'non-white' indigenous European marker. xD