Finnish Y

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Originally Posted by Finnish Swede

Of course not, but he is much much more than his simple haplogroup (southern Sweden).

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Noone is saying about simple haplogroup.
It is just a proof's mean, not wonderfulness itself.
If similar role would play the gene for the smallest toe of the left leg - we would be speaking about it.
As you see we do not - becasue such gene does not care needable information. But Y does.
He is the same imortant as a certificate of birth - which is not a wonderfullness in itself,
bvut bears needable information. Paper can be falsyfied, Y never.

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And as I'm a girl he did't even transport his Y haplogroup to me.

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But he transoprted your X which made you a woman and his daughter.
And yet you can marry to another family, another Y, so you have more options :)

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Originally Posted by Rethel von Rethelsky

Noone is saying about simple haplogroup.
It is just a proof's mean, not wonderfulness itself.
If similar role would play the gene for the smallest toe of the left leg - we would be speaking about it.
As you see we do not - becasue such gene does not care needable information. But Y does.
He is the same imortant as a certificate of birth - which is not a wonderfullness in itself,
bvut bears needable information. Paper can be falsyfied, Y never.



But he transoprted your X which made you a woman and his daughter.
And yet you can marry to another family, another Y, so you have more options :)

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Hey Rethel, if I remember correctly she is I1 -> not your people. So leave her the fuck alone and go bark somewhere else.

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Originally Posted by El Litvino

He needs to buy R1a-M198 SNP Pack from FTDNA or from YSEQ (it should be cheaper at YSEQ).

M198 is very basic and it can be any branch, including Eastern European or even Indo-Iranian.

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I assumed he would have more hits if it was an eastern European one. In ancestral origins he gets 19 anonymous in the UK, but as I mentioned before, the shown hits he gets are few and in Scandinavia. Most who has R1a in Scandinavia live in Norway, and he does have one Norwegian hit. Obviously, way back, it came from the east, just as N1c, so it's not like it matters in that sense. I was hoping, though, that we'd find relatives that are specific on his male side of the tree, as it's not a branch that's explored much.
ETA: I'll confer with the admins of the FTDNA R1a group so I get the right ones.

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Originally Posted by Harkonnen

&no she doesn't need to know anything more. She already got the short end of the stick. Move on.

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That's certainly not for you to decide.

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Originally Posted by Blanka

Obviously, way back, it came from the east, just as N1c

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First R1a came to Scandinavia already with Corded Ware culture, while N1c came probably much later.

These are the oldest R1a samples from Scandinavia:

Sweden RISE94, Viby, Götaland, 2621-2472 BC
Denmark RISE61, Kyndeløse, Zealand, 2650-2300 BC
Sweden LNBA, Ölsund, Hälsingland, 2573-2140 BC
Denmark RISE42, Marbjerg, Zealand, 2191-1972 BC

As you can see 3 of them are from Southern Scandinavia, but one (Olsund) is from Northern Sweden.

Olsund individual is discussed in this paper:

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/bior...13241.full.pdf

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/bior...1/113241-1.pdf

About the origins of Corded Ware culture:

http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2017/1...hungarian.html

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Originally Posted by El Litvino

These are the oldest R1a samples from Scandinavia:

Sweden RISE94, Viby, Götaland, 2621-2472 BC
Denmark RISE61, Kyndeløse, Zealand, 2650-2300 BC
Sweden LNBA, Ölsund, Hälsingland, 2573-2140 BC
Denmark RISE42, Marbjerg, Zealand, 2191-1972 BC

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For comparison the oldest known sample of N1c from Europe is also from 2500 BC, but found near Smolensk in Russia. There was no any N1c in Scandinavia at that time, but there was already some in western Russia.

R1a migrated to Scandinavia either from Latvia-Lithuania-Poland by boats across the Baltic Sea, or from Germany (both routes are possible). N1c migrated to Scandinavia much later and probably from Finland-Estonia.

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Possible routes of R1a migration to Scandinavia with Corded Ware culture (red arrows):

https://i.imgur.com/GfE3Abm.png

https://i.imgur.com/GfE3Abm.png

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Originally Posted by Blanka

That's certainly not for you to decide.

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I'll take it you are not a Christian woman

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...96#post4876096

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Originally Posted by Harkonnen

Hey Rethel, if I remember correctly she is I1 -> not your people. So leave her the fuck alone and go bark somewhere else.

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As long as I1 live under our protecion and look like we - we have something to say in their case :p

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Originally Posted by El Litvino

First R1a came to Scandinavia already with Corded Ware culture, while N1c came probably much later.

These are the oldest R1a samples from Scandinavia:

Sweden RISE94, Viby, Götaland, 2621-2472 BC
Denmark RISE61, Kyndeløse, Zealand, 2650-2300 BC
Sweden LNBA, Ölsund, Hälsingland, 2573-2140 BC
Denmark RISE42, Marbjerg, Zealand, 2191-1972 BC

As you can see 3 of them are from Southern Scandinavia, but one (Olsund) is from Northern Sweden.

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There was also some Cordeds R1a from very northern Norway.

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Originally Posted by El Litvino

R1a migrated to Scandinavia either from Latvia-Lithuania-Poland by boats across the Baltic Sea, or from Germany (both routes are possible).

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Why do you exclude migration via Finland, as there were Cordeds also,
similar migration of N1 happend later, and obviously some IEs did cross
that way yet beforte Cordeds...

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Originally Posted by shlömö

Oh. Pure Europeans :elf Well, Finns are not Asian, Slavic or Germanic as far as i know. Scandinavian would be much closer. Finns are Nordic, genetically, culturally and mentally. Actually mentally sometimes Finns are a bit like Japanese, but it has nothing to do with genes. :alien2

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Yamnaya people can only accept blood transfusion from other Yamnaya. That is because there blood was common among them. Soon we will knowif ruling clan Piasts have same bloodline. I can give to a AB+ but cannot not receive. Where do you think AB comes from?[hint look at Harkonnen avatar,> Somalia]