Why are "Baltic" Lithuanians(and Latvians) so heavily FinN1C?

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Originally Posted by Motörhead Remember Me

I meant this is from where Seima-Turbino phenomenon spread.

Ok, when Seima Turbino bronze technique spread from Central Asia to Urals the Ural populations were propelled further west thanks to this new trade of bronze artifacts.
It does not mean people rushed from central Asia to the Baltics.

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Christian Carpelan and Asko Parpola have argued for European (Abashevo culture) origin for Seima-Turbino phenomenon in their long, joined article in the book Early Contacts between Uralic and Indo-European: Linguistic and Archaeological Considerations.

According to them, there was of course independent bronze work in Altai region, but it only spread to Europe after the Abashevo-based trade network took control of Altai bronze industry. They think the Seima-Turbino bronze traders were Aryan, but the total distribution from Altai-Sayan to Kama, Volga-Oka and even Finland fits much better to the area of Uralic languages. True, the Abashevo culture seems to have been Aryan, but it is more probable that the language connected to Seima-Turbino network was Uralic (see pages 49-51, in Finnish):

http://www.sgr.fi/susa/92/hakkinen.pdf

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Originally Posted by Jaska

True, the Abashevo culture seems to have been Aryan, but it is more probable that the language connected to Seima-Turbino network was Uralic

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No way was it Uralic. Seima-Turbino was by all tokens an aR1an warrior culture.

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Originally Posted by Austrvegr

No way was it Uralic. Seima-Turbino was by all tokens an aR1an warrior culture.

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Yes, tavaritj. But then they all turned swarthy communist cabbage farming serfs...

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Originally Posted by Jaska

Christian Carpelan and Asko Parpola have argued for European (Abashevo culture) origin for Seima-Turbino phenomenon in their long, joined article in the book Early Contacts between Uralic and Indo-European: Linguistic and Archaeological Considerations.

According to them, there was of course independent bronze work in Altai region, but it only spread to Europe after the Abashevo-based trade network took control of Altai bronze industry. They think the Seima-Turbino bronze traders were Aryan, but the total distribution from Altai-Sayan to Kama, Volga-Oka and even Finland fits much better to the area of Uralic languages. True, the Abashevo culture seems to have been Aryan, but it is more probable that the language connected to Seima-Turbino network was Uralic (see pages 49-51, in Finnish):

http://www.sgr.fi/susa/92/hakkinen.pdf

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Why do you use the term Aryan when Abashevo culture were more likely proto Indo European speaking if they even were that?

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Originally Posted by Motörhead Remember Me

Why do you use the term Aryan when Abashevo culture were more likely proto Indo European speaking if they even were that?

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Sorry, they. What are the evidences for that?

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Originally Posted by Motörhead Remember Me

Yes, tavaritj. But then they all turned swarthy communist cabbage farming serfs...

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Dumb chukhna.

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Originally Posted by Austrvegr

No way was it Uralic. Seima-Turbino was by all tokens an aR1an warrior culture.

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If you only had a clue about science, you would know that language cannot be predicted from the genes. I gave some useful links, you may find them in my earlier messages.

There are also Uralic R1a-men. How do you explain that oldest known languages in the area of Seima-Turbino culture were Uralic? Aryan theory is as well based as a claim that Chinese was spoken in the Corded Ware culture, because there are no traces of Chinese anywhere near that culture.

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Originally Posted by Motörhead Remember Me

Why do you use the term Aryan when Abashevo culture were more likely proto Indo European speaking if they even were that?

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Proto-Indo-European dispersed about 3500 BC, so Abashevo culture (2500-1900 BC) cannot have anything to do with PIE. Late Proto-Aryan dispersed about 2000 BC, and some centuries later we have the already differentiated daughter branches Indo-Aryan and Iranian.

Abashevo culture was born from the Pontic Steppe impulses and had connection with Caucasian metallurgical centre, and it was intrusive in Forest zone. It just happens that Late Proto-Aryans are in the right place at the right time - it is difficult to argue for any other linguistic label for Abashevo culture than "Aryan". Abashevo culture also gave much to the origin of Sintashta-Arkhaim culture, which is widely seen as Aryan (= Indo-Iranian).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sintashta

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Originally Posted by Motörhead Remember Me

Why do you use the term Aryan when Abashevo culture were more likely proto Indo European speaking if they even were that?

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Abashevo was, at least to some degree, Corded Ware with links to Central Europe.

By the way, send me your raw data and I'll put you in a circum-Baltic MDS analysis that I'm about to start. I need more South/West Finns, with some Swedish pimp j.

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Originally Posted by Austrvegr

Dumb chukhna.

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Da, da. Chukna dumb, Austrvegr dumber.

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Originally Posted by Polako

Abashevo was, at least to some degree, Corded Ware with links to Central Europe.

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Yes, but it had strong links to surrounding (Finno-Permic) cultures to, Corded being the lesser influence.

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By the way, send me your raw data and I'll put you in a circum-Baltic MDS analysis that I'm about to start. I need more South/West Finns, with some Swedish pimp j.

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It's plain westnorthwest in my case. Only if you talk me into ABF, again. :thumb001:
(I think Elias ridiculously cheap ban on me (for telling PTG that I'd probably smack him out if I'd ever met him, what kind of a ban is that anyway)
should be over)