Hunter-Farmer-Herder in Euro pop unscaled G25 post your result

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Our results indicate that two different cultural complexes, TRB and PWC, coexisted on the island of Gotland for half a millennia with different cultural affiliations and subsistence strategies. Further multi-disciplinary analyses of TRB megalithic burials in different geographic regions across northern mainland Europe and Scandinavia will help to clarify local and regional differences in the TRB culture.

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(PDF) New insights on cultural dualism and population structure in the Middle Neolithic Funnel Beaker culture on the island of Gotland. Available from: https://www.researchgate.net/publica...and_of_Gotland [accessed Aug 11 2020].

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Originally Posted by Folcwalding

Don't think that explains it for Sweden, PWC groups are the more likely candidate:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandi...unter-Gatherer

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Ehh Finnish admixture in Eastern and Northern Sweden is widely accepted and there's no aruging about that(Siberian admixture, a lot of recently shared N1c markers with Finns + immense amount of historical records regarding Finnish settlements in Sweden proper and so on).
Besides PWC was present in Denmark and Southern Sweden too but they don't show this elevated HG. Also where is this PWC admixture in Swedish Battle Axe samples? All of them were from areas very close to the coast, near PWC settlements.

I think these Blatterhole farmers are just outliers, they were buried if I remember alongside a pure HG which might explain it.

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Originally Posted by Aren

Ehh Finnish admixture in Eastern and Northern Sweden is widely accepted and there's no aruging about that(Siberian admixture, a lot of recently shared N1c markers with Finns + immense amount of historical records regarding Finnish settlements in Sweden proper and so on).
Besides PWC was present in Denmark and Southern Sweden too but they don't show this elevated HG. Also where is this PWC admixture in Swedish Battle Axe samples? All of them were from areas very close to the coast, near PWC settlements.

I think these Blatterhole farmers are just outliers, they were buried if I remember alongside a pure HG which might explain it.

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The hybridization occurred during LNBA, not during Battle Axe. See the work of Kristian Kristiansen.
This doesn't rule out (later on) Finnish influence but I guess it's not a matter of or (but may be and).
The TRB horizon in Northern Germany and North Dutch was high in hunter, but not due to Finnish influence.

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Originally Posted by Folcwalding

The hybridization occurred during LNBA, not during Battle Axe. See the work of Kristian Kristiansen.
This doesn't rule out (later on) Finnish influence but I guess it's not a matter of or (but may be and).
The TRB horizon in Northern Germany and North Dutch was high in hunter, but not due to Finnish influence.

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So you think this elevated HG admixture has stayed intact in Northern Dutch but not other Dutchmen since the Bronze Age? That's absurd. Oh and not just any Northern Dutch cause your father doesn't show it.
Regarding it's existence in Sweden, it's not elevated WHG like we see in Blatterhole or Swedish TRB but something further east. Since we have no HG from the Baltics in this particular run it's forced into Koros_HG

Target: Norwegian
Distance: 3.1433% / 0.03143296
55.6 Corded_Ware_Baltic_early
41.2 SWE_TRB
3.2 DEU_Blatterhohle_MN
0.0 Baltic_LTU_Narva

Target: Swedish
Distance: 3.1742% / 0.03174179
54.2 Corded_Ware_Baltic_early
41.2 SWE_TRB
4.6 Baltic_LTU_Narva
0.0 DEU_Blatterhohle_MN

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Originally Posted by Aren

So you think this elevated HG admixture has stayed intact in Northern Dutch but not other Dutchmen since the Bronze Age? That's absurd. Oh and not just any Northern Dutch cause your father doesn't show it.
Regarding it's existence in Sweden, it's not elevated WHG like we see in Blatterhole or Swedish TRB but something further east. Since we have no HG from the Baltics in this particular run it's forced into Koros_HG

Target: Norwegian
Distance: 3.1433% / 0.03143296
55.6 Corded_Ware_Baltic_early
41.2 SWE_TRB
3.2 DEU_Blatterhohle_MN
0.0 Baltic_LTU_Narva

Target: Swedish
Distance: 3.1742% / 0.03174179
54.2 Corded_Ware_Baltic_early
41.2 SWE_TRB
4.6 Baltic_LTU_Narva
0.0 DEU_Blatterhohle_MN

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There is some regional differentiation indeed, because see Finn Mom and Dutch average and here HG amount is 5% above average. She has only ancestry from the funnel beaker hotspot of the Netherlands. A small specific area. Nowadays Unesco geopark:
https://www.hunebednieuwscafe.nl/201...-introduction/
My father's HG is above average 10 in stead of average 8. He is more in the Danish/Anglo-Saxon kind of range.

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Originally Posted by Folcwalding

There is some regional differentiation indeed, because see Finn Mom and Dutch average and here HG amount is 5% above average. She has only ancestry from the funnel beaker hotspot of the Netherlands. A small specific area. Nowadays Unesco geopark:
https://www.hunebednieuwscafe.nl/201...-introduction/
My father's HG is above average 10 in stead of average 8. He is more in the Danish/Anglo-Saxon kind of range.

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I think you are looking too much into it. I am sure there are other Dutchmen, not from a TRB "hotspot" who will score similar to your mother. Her results look totally normal, well within the modern variation. AuDNA is far from perfected, we can't attribute some percentages here and there as actual heritage from a specific ancient population, especially when we compare to other people within the same ethnicity/area.

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Originally Posted by Aren

I think you are looking too much into it. I am sure there are other Dutchmen, not from a TRB "hotspot" who will score similar to your mother. Her results look totally normal, well within the modern variation. AuDNA is far from perfected, we can't attribute some percentages here and there as actual heritage from a specific ancient population, especially when we compare to other people within the same ethnicity/area.

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Could be but that doesn't change the fact she has about 13% in stead of the average 8% in Dutch and also the fact she has only known ancestry from this small Funnelbeaker specific area. So a touch a Funnelbeaker is not weird at all. And of course she a modern varation it's not beam me up Funnelbeaker ;)

I threw it in the unscaled G25:
https://www.mupload.nl/img/clhn39t.59.42.png

Target: Andrei
Distance: 3.3837% / 0.03383711
53.2 TUR_Barcin_N
43.6 Yamnaya_UKR
3.2 HUN_Koros_N_HG

Target: unscaled
Distance: 2.5484% / 0.02548371
54.2TUR_Barcin_N
42.0Yamnaya_UKR
3.8HUN_Koros_N_HG


My father

Target: Father_unscaled
Distance: 3.1953% / 0.03195303
51.4TUR_Barcin_N
46.0Yamnaya_UKR
2.6HUN_Koros_N_HG

Target: adamg
Distance: 18.3638% / 0.18363773
52.4 Yamnaya_UKR
25.4 HUN_Koros_N_HG
22.2 TUR_Barcin_N