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Originally Posted by oszkar07
Well, Great Magyar never was. Magyar is only one tribe . A Natio Hungarica mixture of nations where Magyar has never been an official language. I personally have nothing against Magyars if they are Magyars,because I am also Natio Hungarica :) I2 HUN:picard1:
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Originally Posted by tk'es
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a fly :thumb001:
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Hun's is a Designation (yes the tribe had a specific origin but picked up allied tribes/peoples along the way) as is also Magyar. To think that anyone would be claiming to be a 5th century Hun today is a miscalculation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wend-Kruzek
The Y-DNA 12 is probably a very early Germanic clade. Germanic folk could be found many places and in very early Hungary, even my 12 Clade according to FTDNA has ancient connections to DNA found in pre Arpadian Hungary.
Also genetic is not limited to Ydna , the autosomal DNA is just as if not more relevent.
For whatever reason the Carpathian Basin seemed fated to be known and named for this sequence of eastern Folk of (Huns - Avars - Magyars/Hungarians) the State of Hungary = Politically and by designation and language is a living continuation of that sequence.
Genetically myself included - most Hungarians have Slavic-Germanic-Balkan bloodlines with very smaller traces of Ugric-Turanic = myself included.
Wrong, Hungarians dont speak Slavic or German, they speak Magyar... it is spoken by Hungarian minority in all nations that surround Hungary. In certain times nations neighbouring Hungary have often tried to deny Hungary of its Hungarian-Magyar ness ... but it lives on despite them. :winkQuote:
A Natio Hungarica mixture of nations where Magyar has never been an official language.
Exactly. Today's Magyars are a mixture of the surrounding peoples. Magyars were never homogenous like Germans or Slavs. They are the most European.Today's Hungarian now is a mixture of Finno-Ugric and Turkish languages, with loanwords from Germans and Slavs. ---So then you're German:) Well and Bela III: R1a-Z93>Z2125>Z2123>Y934 :)Quote:
Originally Posted by oszkar07
But you're right. Czechs are also rather German. You are what you feel. But I will disappoint you. Your map is only your dream:)
nice to day
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Firstly not all Germans or Slavs are completely homogenous, there is quite a bit of regional variation amongst German's which we have seen from population genetic studies. But they are German's none the less.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wend-Kruzek
If we look at the population genetic studies of southern Slavs they are heavily genetically mixed with the former native populations of that region, but they are Slavs none the less. Many Russians are mixed with finno-ugric people and Tatar folk but they are Russians/Slavs none the less.
Hungarians have been an ethnic/state identity longer than many nations in Europe.
Hungarians are not a mixture of surrounding peoples because that would deny the national identity of surrounding peoples.
Except what is correct is that Hungary is the only nation that surrounds itself - many of the border regions of countries that surround Hungary have Hungarian minorities simply because those regions were Hungary.
The map is not a dream it is a memory.
current Hungary territory = 104 years vs pre 1920 Hungary territory = 920 years.
Modern Hungary has still quite a few years to pass untill it will be older than its Historical entity.
For modern post 1920 Hungary to outgrow its historical self, you will only have to wait another 816 plus years.
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