"35%-55% Ashkenazis are of European Descent"

It doesn't matter whether a lot of Europeans intermarried with Jews, the ones that did effectively abandoned their native cultures and ethnicities as well as bred with non-Euros. Most of these Jews carrying European genes will also have non-Euro ancestry derived from the actual Middle Eastern or Khazar origins of the Jews. I'd love to see the aDNA admixture results.

They are no Europeans.

There is a big misunderstanding that Sephardim Jews are less European than Askhenazim Jews. Their so called European component and West Asian component is the same. The difference is that Sephardim Jews have higher mediterranean component instead east and/or west European.
I do not how many of you knows that Sephardim Jews have way higher percentage of R1b haplogroup than Askhenazi while Askhenazi are autosomally more Western European hence why they are more smarter.

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Originally Posted by Osweo

The differences between the Ashkenazim and Sephardim have more to do with chance. The former were present when the present capitalist system was evolved in the northwest and central part of Europe. At this time, the Sephardim were scattered all over the place in the Ottoman Empire and so on. Naturally, those who were present while things were going on got on the rollercoaster. Those dallying around in the backwaters just lived and survived like they'd always done.

I heard the Sefardim are doing well in Israel itself however, on the eve of shunting the Ashkenazim aside as the dominant force there. Is my info outdated?

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The sephardim, in general, were great mathematitians, writers, scientists, etc... don't know about the others. This is known in every juderia that welcomed them; they boosted culture to a large extent, wherever they went to, even in Morocco; and no I am not a Jews praiser or anything. As far as I know, Sephardim consider their culture much better than Ashkenazies's... in all senses. And I suppose it happens in the opposite direction too.

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Originally Posted by Albion

It doesn't matter whether a lot of Europeans intermarried with Jews, the ones that did effectively abandoned their native cultures and ethnicities as well as bred with non-Euros. Most of these Jews carrying European genes will also have non-Euro ancestry derived from the actual Middle Eastern or Khazar origins of the Jews. I'd love to see the aDNA admixture results.

They are no Europeans.

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But that is the whole point.
As I said for me the most important thing is intelligence and it seems that they pass it through genes. So who cares if they have some middle eastern genes.
Arent Europeans superior because of their creativity and inventivness rather then being simply European

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Originally Posted by Whitebastard

But that is the whole point.
As I said for me the most important thing is intelligence and it seems that they pass it through genes. So who cares if they have some middle eastern genes.
Arent Europeans superior because of their creativity and inventivness rather then being simply European

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Indeed. Ashkenazis are naturally gifted and can only improve the European gene pool. While it's true Ashkenazis have non-white Levantine genes, lets not forget that Levantine admixture in European goes back as early as the Neolithic age. Also, remember the Phoenicians who have set up small trading colonies throughout all of Europe. Mixing with that region of the Middle East is part of our history, plain and simple.

I'm thankful we are at a point where "Jews" are a white ethnicity just like Italian, Irish, or Scottish. The sooner the better, as Ashkenazis won't look at themselves as a separate ethnicity and may not be hostile to European civilization.

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Originally Posted by Albion

It doesn't matter whether a lot of Europeans intermarried with Jews, the ones that did effectively abandoned their native cultures and ethnicities as well as bred with non-Euros. Most of these Jews carrying European genes will also have non-Euro ancestry derived from the actual Middle Eastern or Khazar origins of the Jews. I'd love to see the aDNA admixture results.

They are no Europeans.

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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...DcTZEYlE#gid=0

Considering where most lived, Central and Eastern Europe, the have noticably higher SW Asian.

AJ: 13%
Germans: 1.7%
Belorussians: 1.9%
Lithuanians: 1.6%
Poles: 2.3%
Russians: 1-2%
Ukranians: 3%

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Originally Posted by Whitebastard

But that is the whole point.
As I said for me the most important thing is intelligence and it seems that they pass it through genes. So who cares if they have some middle eastern genes.
Arent Europeans superior because of their creativity and inventivness rather then being simply European

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Brat, forget about 'superiority'. Our race is so 'superior', that many of its members are happy to become minorities in their own lands. Superiority is relative. We've been good at science in recent centuries, but we are shit at self preservation at the present time.

If you worship at the altar of superiority, should you sacrifice your SELF when you find somebody better?

Fuck that. I never invented anything, nor did my family, but I'll support them over ANYBODY else. Wipe the word 'superior' from your vocabulary. It is NOT helpful in our present situation.

Doesn't mean I have to consider them kin.

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Originally Posted by Mercury

Indeed. Ashkenazis are naturally gifted and can only improve the European gene pool.

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What idiocy. Incorporating foreigners produces new generations with mixed loyalties and less attachment to each parent's culture and background. A no-win situation.

Ashkenazi success has a lot to do with their particular way of living and bringing up their kids. When you take the genes from this, and piss about with the culture, you fail.

Your ideas are biological determinism and miss a LOT of the bigger picture.

I'd like to add something about Yiddish that might be found interesting:

Yiddish hasn't been spoken in my family for three generations on my mother's side, and four generations on my father's side. My maternal grandmother told me that her parents only spoke Yiddish when encountering other Ashkenazi Jews who did not speak Romanian. Yiddish was used as a common language amongst European Jews of different nationalities. Native tongues were spoken in the home and in all other occasions.