Are light traits in Southern Europe due to the northern European admixture ?

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Originally Posted by Peyrol

Some lombard and furlan alpine valleys are also around 50%, while probably some isolated sardinian or calabrian village can be even around 2-5%...a very big difference for a single country, indeed.

I'm curious about the portuguese and the french percentages.

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France :

Évolution de la couleur des yeux des Français depuis la fin du XVIIe siècle.

1940 data -

North-east : blue 41% , gray 13% , dark 46%
Paris : blue 34% , 9 gray % , dark 57%
North-west : blue 29% , gray 20% , dark 51%
South-east : blue 25% , gray 11% , dark 64%
South-west : blue 23% , gray 14% , dark 63%

Bulgaria :

Contribution à l'étude anthropologique des bulgares

blue : 17,65%
gray : 22,59%
brown: 59,76%

plus green : 4,10%

Greece :

http://www.plosone.org/article/info%...l.pone.0055712

14% light eyes
86% dark "

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Originally Posted by Peyrol

As the former sicilian governo Raffaele Lombardo said, ''Torino è la terza città siciliana d'Italia dopo Palermo e Catania'' :lol:

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Turin is the third (largest) Sicilian city after Palermo and Catania. In other words, so many Sicilians live there that it is essentially ours now.

Torino is well know for having a lot of sicilians, one of the mafia headquarters.

I think I found one of the studies I was referring to.

http://archhades.blogspot.com/2011_06_01_archive.html

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3420/...8f532076_z.jpg

I mean they show a difference between Sicily and Northernmost italy, but much smaller than some numbers posted here. Plus, they show N. Italy to be much "darker" than "50%" light. I don't know when this study was conducted though.

The other studies that I remember were in map form and also showed a "relatively" small but still notable difference. However, I don't remember when those were conducted either.

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Originally Posted by ABest

I think I found one of the studies I was referring to.

http://archhades.blogspot.com/2011_06_01_archive.html

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3420/...8f532076_z.jpg

I mean they show a difference between Sicily and Northernmost italy, but much smaller than some numbers posted here. Plus, they show N. Italy to be much "darker" than "50%" light. I don't know when this study was conducted though.

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This is a 2010 study, it's obvious that the numbers are different since basically the internal south-north immigration in the 40s-60s culturally (and phenotypically) destroyed these lands.

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Originally Posted by Sikeliot

Would you agree with me that Palermo, light eyes are probably close to 35% and in Catania about 10%? If so, it averages out to the average.

Let me try something. Here is a sample of photos from Catania collected on anthrocivitas and here is one from Palermo. I'll calculate the light eyes in them.

Catania: http://anthrocivitas.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15264

THREE out of THIRTY TWO. ~9%


Palermo:
http://anthrocivitas.net/forum/showthread.php?t=373

SEVEN out of THIRTY TWO. ~21%.

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Trapani.

http://anthrocivitas.net/forum/showt...697#post160697

I think I counted 5/25.

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Originally Posted by Kastrioti1443

Torino is well know for having a lot of sicilians, one of the mafia headquarters.

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Originally Posted by alfieb

Turin is the third (largest) Sicilian city after Palermo and Catania. In other words, so many Sicilians live there that it is essentially ours now.

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You're both right.

But in last decades romanians and MENAs are outnumbering us italics in 5 out of 10 city districts, so...

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Originally Posted by Peyrol

This is a 2010 study, it's obvious that the numbers are different since basically the internal south-north immigration in the 40s-60s culturally (and phenotypically) destroyed these lands.

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Ah! I see. I'll try to find the other maps as well.

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Originally Posted by ABest

Ah! I see. I'll try to find the other maps as well.

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Do you have some datas about Greece?