Come on. Indo Europeans indo Aryana were not mongoloid or look similar to central Asians. Aryan itself is Sanskrit word have nothing to do with central Asian languages it wouldn't been even famous if not for hitler making it famousQuote:
Originally Posted by Vir9
Pashtuns are Iranic speaking Pakistanis.
:picard1: pashtuns live also in afghanistan and orginate from there. Afghanistan is actually named after themQuote:
Originally Posted by Coon
do you really think that ancient central asians 3000/4000 years ago were mongolic??? turks and mongols settled in central asia only in the last 1000 years and before that indoeuropeans like scythians,tocharians and yuezhi lived there.Ancient central asians were all caucasoid and carried r1a and other west asian haplogroups onlyQuote:
Originally Posted by jatt
That might be true, but the Arabs never made a significant impact in Afghanistan or South Asia, we made far more impact in Sicily and Iberia to be honest. As we did not care about the eastern part of the empire. It was the Turkic tribes that did care and came from that region to South Asia. We did care about North Africa however since it had similar culture and climate to us.Quote:
Originally Posted by jatt
More impact in Sicily? I think its more emphasised in Sicily although the impact in Iberia was pretty big. Ofcourse there's impact in Afghanistan due to the Arabs, but ,more Turkic yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nabatea1
So I take it you haven't read the last 21 pages? Troll.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coon
A traditional anthroboard wogdown, how lovely!
What people don't understand is, the HOMELAND of the pashtuns is AFGHANISTAN not pakistan. So what if theyres more of them over in Pakistan, a lot of them are admixed anyways and a lot of them claim false ancestry just to associate themselves with pashtuns. I've seen peshawaris and by God, they look frickin paki. Not iranid lookig but indid looking. When they count the ethnic groups, these kinds of people Will be counted as "pashtun". It's a pisstake because now people are claiming that pakistan is the homeland. The only pashtuns IMO in pakistan are the villagers at the border. You can forest about the ones in cities and apparently in the swat region, where malalai yusufzai comes from, they are pashtunized dardics. Although many look light pigmented.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vir9
Yeahhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by finşaų
Conclusion is : the title is fucking blocks, hence why OP is hiding.Quote:
Originally Posted by finşaų
I gave several links and posted genetic studies on afghans, calling us South asian genetically is absurd. We don't look soitun asian. We don't speak South asian language. We don't eat South asian food. Spicy as fuck plus your arsehole burns the next morning.
The impact on Iberia was quite big there is no doubt, especially in culture and the linguistic aspect. In Sicily it was the same, but the rule was short lived, but in many areas the Arabs left some cultural elements, today they intermixed with the local traditions. The Arabs could not control Afghanistan so they left it and focused on expanding westward. This why the Turkic tribes made the most impact there and eventually to South Asia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dynamo
What half breeds like you don't understand is that Pakistani pashtuns are not indid. Unlike Afghani pashtuns who have mixed with mongol bastards like tajiks, uzbeks, hazaras etc, Pakistani pashtuns have not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dynamo
And origin of all pashtuns is Sulaiman Mountains in upper Balochistan, open some book. Your avatar perfectly suite you.
I never said all, I said the ones from the cities. The ones in the villages next to the durrand line look no different to us. Half breeds? What's that meant To mean? I don't why you got insulted tbh because you kmoe its true. You genuinely believe pathans in Peshawar are fully pashtuns and have no recent admixture? No way in hell woukd I believe it. Even pashtuns in cities in Afghanistan are likley mixed with tajiks. The ones in villages are the pure ones most likley, and they clearly are less South asiab thsn pakistan Pathans. I've seen peshawaris, and bro, they look paki. Yes, their great grandparent was pribably an afghab who blah blah but that's tge truth. You mention the Suleiman mountains? http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulaiman_MountainsQuote:
Originally Posted by back_up
No yiur right, paki pathans have mixed with punjabis, and Sindhis modt likley.Quote:
Originally Posted by back_up
not all pakistani pashtuns are indid and the majority looks still iranic.But many in cities like peshawar are clearly mixed with indians and some areas where pashtuns live today in pakistan were only quite recently pashtunized. Afghan pashtuns have very low east asian components and they are a much better example for the genes and look of original pashtuns than most pashtuns in pakistan today.Quote:
Originally Posted by back_up
Lol even Pakistani pashtoon are half Mongol. Look at Imran khan n his eyes. Many pashtoon look like nepalis
Oh just fuck off mate your seriously annoying me now. We had a bit of bants now fuck off, don't know why your even hear in the first place, always looking to pop your head in between gaps and chat shit. We're trying to have a adult conversation here now. The eye thing has got nothing to do with mongoloid admixture ffs I've seen english people with those Kinds of eyes,guess the Brits got it from you lot when they had the British raj...Quote:
Originally Posted by jatt
British n some euro have small eyes because of Mongol invasion too. Is a fact
Y I said pashtoons look Nepali because they are mixed race too n u going to get a shocker Visit kathmandoo
wow thank you, i didnt know that mongols invaded britain with their mighty mongolian fleet :picard2: .Maybe i should just ignore what educated people wrote and historians say about that because the omniscient Jatt knows it better.Quote:
Originally Posted by jatt
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Originally Posted by Vir9
latest study done on Afghan pashtuns clearly showed more east asian genes compared to Pakistani pashtuns. And Tajiks, hazaras and Uzbeks are mongloid anyway so it does not surprise me that some mongol genes got to Afghan pashtuns. That why many Afghan pashtuns look like hazaras.
The reason Afghan pashtuns have less South Asian is because of more east asian component in them. So how the f are Afghan pashtuns mixed with mongols closer to original pashtuns?
Not evryone in Peshawar is pashtun. Just like not everyone in Karachi is muhajir. I already wrote that the reason Afghan pashtuns have less South Asian is because of more east asian in them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dynamo
yes afghan pashtuns have more east asian dna than pakistan pashtuns and on average pashtuns have around 5% east asian dna there but some individuals have almost none and other have a bit more.This is not really much and surely not the reason why pashtuns in afghanistan have much less south asian dna components than pakistani pashtunsQuote:
Originally Posted by back_up
I don't want repeat again and again, read properly this time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vir9
The reason Afghan pashtuns have less South Asian is because of more east asian. Learn how admixture is calculated and then come back.
Have you seen the afghan pashtuns harappa world resukts? He's a mohammadzai and barakzai, he scored 1.19% northeast asian and 2.10 Siberian. Hardly admixture compared to almost more than 30% South asian admixture in Pathans from Pakistan. What's your point? The pakistan Pathans have way too much South Asian in them for them to be considered pure anyways. Look at the links I posted, all afghan pashtuns, East asian admixture is extremely little.Quote:
Originally Posted by back_up
Those who have settled in Punjab and mixed with punjabis are called punjabi pathans. Upper Balochistan, KPK and FATA where 70% of pashtuns live are not mixed with Sindhi/Punjabis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dynamo
That's not true ffs anyways, ask me why. Because the afghan Pashtuns have a higher west eurasuan percentage, so even if your little fantasy is true, the afghans woukd have the same or even less percentage of Western eurasuan in them. Average pakistani Pathan had 81% Western eurasuan, average afghan pashtun ranged from 85-88%.Quote:
Originally Posted by back_up
many afghan pashtuns look like hazaras??? are you kidding me? It is sad that you try to defame afghan pashtun .We never said that pakistani pashtuns look south asian but i and dynamo just mentioned that the samples that were used for this genetic studies were not representative because they were taken from an area were pashtuns often mixed with south asians so this pashtuns are more south asian shifted than other pashtunsQuote:
Originally Posted by back_up
Here is actual study on Afghans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dynamo
http://www.harappadna.org/2014/01/afghan-dataset/
And Pakistani pashtuns average 20-22% South Asian.
study was done on 25 Pakistani pashtuns and average south asian was 23%, not over 30%...Quote:
Originally Posted by Vir9
And genius most lightest people in Pakistan and Afghanistan are Nuristanis and Kalash, and Kalash score 22% South Asian. So when the f did Pakistani pashtuns mixed with punjabis?
But its clear east asian genes in Afghan pashtuns are recent admixture thanks to mongols and thats why it shows in face.
It's kinda inconvenient lol. The reason why the average went down to 22% was because of two individuals who had South asiab score of I think 12 and 9%. The rest were well above 25%.Quote:
Originally Posted by back_up
study has not been done on the nuristanis so you cannot speculate, although most likley is that they would be pretty close to tajiks and pashtuns. Afterall nuristan lies between laghman panjsherQuote:
Originally Posted by back_up
i really dont get where you got your hatred for afghan pashtuns.Mongols didnt mixed much with pashtuns in afghanistan and the tiny east asian admixture could come from anywhere.Already the old iranic tribes of central asia had a bit east asian admixture because they took east asian women in siberia and later they migrated to afghanistan so this is also a possible source for this admixtureQuote:
Originally Posted by back_up
hatred? when afghanis are talking shit about my people then i will respond. No hatered for anyone particular. And you are wrong again, anyway lets leave it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vir9
Oh it's yiur people now eh? Oksy denQuote:
Originally Posted by back_up
Lol Tajiks are basically half Turkic. Some score even higher Mongoloid admix than Uzbeks. Pashtuns have also big Turkic influence as the second largest Pashtun tribal confederacy ,the Ghilzais are probably originally of Turkic origin anywayQuote:
Originally Posted by back_up
More than uzbeks? Really? Btw those samples were from North afghsnistsn not from Kabul, panjsher or other big cities.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sky earth
Of course not an average but 2 Tajik samples here have more Mongoloid admix than the Uzbek samples. Turkmens from Afghanistan are Definitely more Mongoloid than those from TurkmenistanQuote:
Originally Posted by Dynamo
Of course not an average but 2 Tajik samples here have more Mongoloid admix than the Uzbek samples. Turkmens from Afghanistan are Definitely more Mongoloid than those from TurkmenistanQuote:
Originally Posted by Dynamo