This Egyptian anti-Islamist is among the lightest Egyptians I can think of
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This Egyptian anti-Islamist is among the lightest Egyptians I can think of
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Which is why I say Copts are the true Egyptians.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Is he Coptic?Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
No, but he left Islam and now criticizes it for which Muzzies send him death threatsQuote:
Originally Posted by Bobby Martnen
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamed_Abdel-Samad
That seems to be a fairly common trait in Muslims.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leto
Not exactly. The people today that cluster the closest to the ancient Egyptians are Yemenite Jews, a people who are of Arabian ancestry with small amount of SSA admixture in them. Egyptian Muslims are more admixed to Arabians and SSA than the Copts are, but at the same time, they're not that different since they cluster very closely with Palestinians, Bedouins and other South-West Asiatics than to Europeans or Blacks as a whole.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby Martnen
MDLP K23b Oracle Rev 2014 Sep 16
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 34.14
2 Near_East 26.64
3 North_African 16.83
4 European_Early_Farmers 9.99
5 East_African 9.13
6 Archaic_African 1.90
Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.
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Least-squares method.
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Egyptian_Kafar_Sheikh_ @ 5.362785
2 Egyptian_Mansoura_ @ 6.013190
3 Egyptian_Tanta_ @ 6.046615
4 Egyptian_Kairo_ @ 7.610114
5 Egyptian_Cairo_ @ 8.503502
6 Egyptian_Kuwait_ @ 9.436735
7 BedouinA_ @ 10.539614
8 Palestinian_ @ 11.942020
9 Jordanian_ @ 13.855069
10 Samaritian_ @ 16.730040
11 Egyptian_Iskandaria_ @ 16.948162
12 Tunisian_Jew_ @ 17.015190
13 Lebanese_ @ 17.512352
14 Syrian_ @ 17.704489
15 Muslim_Arabs_Israel_ @ 17.786228
16 Yemen_ @ 17.926384
17 Libyan_Jew_ @ 18.185209
18 Yemenite_Jew_ @ 19.059916
19 Lebanese_Muslim_ @ 19.115658
20 Lebanese_Christian_ @ 20.090094
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Egyptian_Kafar_Sheikh_ +50% Egyptian_Kafar_Sheikh_ @ 5.362785
Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Egyptian_Mansoura_ +25% Tunisian_Jew_ +25% Yemenite_Jew_ @ 4.962468
Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Christian_Arabs_Israel_ + Egyptian_Kuwait_ + Egyptian_Tanta_ + Egyptian_Tanta_ @ 4.779230
2 Christian_Arabs_Israel_ + Egyptian_Kafar_Sheikh_ + Egyptian_Kuwait_ + Egyptian_Tanta_ @ 4.784524
3 Christian_Arabs_Israel_ + Egyptian_Kuwait_ + Egyptian_Kuwait_ + Egyptian_Tanta_ @ 4.827969
4 Christian_Arabs_Israel_ + Egyptian_Kuwait_ + Egyptian_Mansoura_ + Egyptian_Tanta_ @ 4.903878
5 Egyptian_Kafar_Sheikh_ + Egyptian_Mansoura_ + Tunisian_Jew_ + Yemenite_Jew_ @ 4.960509
6 Amhara_ + Christian_Arabs_Israel_ + Tunisian_Jew_ + Yemenite_Jew_ @ 4.961667
7 Egyptian_Mansoura_ + Egyptian_Mansoura_ + Tunisian_Jew_ + Yemenite_Jew_ @ 4.962468
8 Christian_Arabs_Israel_ + Egyptian_Kafar_Sheikh_ + Egyptian_Kafar_Sheikh_ + Egyptian_Kuwait_ @ 5.000577
9 Egyptian_Kafar_Sheikh_ + Egyptian_Kafar_Sheikh_ + Tunisian_Jew_ + Yemenite_Jew_ @ 5.006724
10 Christian_Arabs_Israel_ + Egyptian_Kairo_ + Egyptian_Kuwait_ + Egyptian_Tanta_ @ 5.027248
11 Christian_Arabs_Israel_ + Egyptian_Kafar_Sheikh_ + Egyptian_Kuwait_ + Egyptian_Kuwait_ @ 5.042833
12 Egyptian_Mansoura_ + Egyptian_Mansoura_ + Libyan_Jew_ + Yemenite_Jew_ @ 5.045715
13 Egyptian_Kafar_Sheikh_ + Egyptian_Mansoura_ + Libyan_Jew_ + Yemenite_Jew_ @ 5.052828
14 Egyptian_Mansoura_ + Egyptian_Tanta_ + Tunisian_Jew_ + Yemenite_Jew_ @ 5.061719
15 Christian_Arabs_Israel_ + Egyptian_Kafar_Sheikh_ + Egyptian_Kuwait_ + Egyptian_Mansoura_ @ 5.090491
16 Egyptian_Kafar_Sheikh_ + Egyptian_Kafar_Sheikh_ + Libyan_Jew_ + Yemenite_Jew_ @ 5.099661
17 Egyptian_Kafar_Sheikh_ + Egyptian_Tanta_ + Tunisian_Jew_ + Yemenite_Jew_ @ 5.110786
18 Christian_Arabs_Israel_ + Egyptian_Kafar_Sheikh_ + Egyptian_Kairo_ + Egyptian_Tanta_ @ 5.176159
19 Christian_Arabs_Israel_ + Egyptian_Kairo_ + Egyptian_Tanta_ + Egyptian_Tanta_ @ 5.184762
20 Christian_Arabs_Israel_ + Egyptian_Kafar_Sheikh_ + Egyptian_Tanta_ + Egyptian_Tanta_ @ 5.190284
puntDNAL K13 Oracle
Admix Results (sorted):
# Population Percent
1 SW_Asia 38.20
2 SW_Europe 26.19
3 West_Asia 24.49
4 East_Africa 9.62
5 NE_Asia 1.04
Finished reading population data. 191 populations found.
13 components mode.
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Least-squares method.
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Egyptian_Copts @ 2.471854
2 Egyptian @ 10.788684
3 Yemeni @ 12.149620
4 Palestinian @ 12.501148
5 Jordanian @ 14.282022
6 Saudi @ 15.716351
7 Samaritan_Jew @ 15.957695
8 Syrian @ 19.589098
9 Lebanese_Christian @ 19.866776
10 Lebanese_Muslim @ 20.427830
11 Lebanese_Druze @ 20.955204
12 Bedouin @ 22.369261
13 Tunisian @ 23.229233
14 Moroccan @ 24.113819
15 Cypriot @ 24.743639
16 Algerian @ 25.674477
17 Sephardic_Jew @ 26.997372
18 Assyrian @ 27.342606
19 Saharawi @ 28.572121
20 Turkish_Kayseri @ 29.249922
Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Egyptian_Copts +50% Egyptian_Copts @ 2.471854
Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Egyptian_Copts +25% Egyptian_Copts +25% Egyptian_Copts @ 2.471854
Using 4 populations approximation:
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Egyptian_Copts + Egyptian_Copts + Egyptian_Copts + Egyptian_Copts @ 2.471854
2 Egyptian_Copts + Egyptian_Copts + Egyptian_Copts + Yemeni @ 3.076745
3 Egyptian + Egyptian_Copts + Egyptian_Copts + Egyptian_Copts @ 3.345856
4 Egyptian_Copts + Egyptian_Copts + Egyptian_Copts + Saudi @ 3.661654
5 Egyptian + Egyptian_Copts + Egyptian_Copts + Saudi @ 3.832236
6 Egyptian_Copts + Egyptian_Copts + Egyptian_Copts + Palestinian @ 4.222434
7 Egyptian_Copts + Samaritan_Jew + Samaritan_Jew + Tigray @ 4.248385
8 Egyptian + Egyptian_Copts + Egyptian_Copts + Yemeni @ 4.634551
9 Amhara + Egyptian_Copts + Samaritan_Jew + Samaritan_Jew @ 4.733138
10 Egyptian_Copts + Egyptian_Copts + Egyptian_Copts + Jordanian @ 4.756004
11 Egyptian_Copts + Egyptian_Copts + Jordanian + Saudi @ 4.918110
12 Egyptian_Copts + Egyptian_Copts + Palestinian + Saudi @ 4.989978
13 Bedouin + Egyptian + Egyptian_Copts + Egyptian_Copts @ 5.029582
14 Bedouin + Egyptian_Copts + Egyptian_Copts + Egyptian_Copts @ 5.236852
15 Egyptian_Copts + Egyptian_Copts + Egyptian_Copts + Samaritan_Jew @ 5.261199
16 Egyptian_Copts + Egyptian_Copts + Saudi + Tunisian @ 5.370473
17 Egyptian + Egyptian_Copts + Egyptian_Copts + Palestinian @ 5.468468
18 Bedouin + Cypriot + Samaritan_Jew + Tigray @ 5.488426
19 Samaritan_Jew + Samaritan_Jew + Samaritan_Jew + Tigray @ 5.507242
20 Egyptian + Egyptian + Egyptian_Copts + Saudi @ 5.564562
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 96% Egyptian_Copts + 4% Amhara @ 1.67
2 95.8% Egyptian_Copts + 4.2% Tigray @ 1.7
3 96.9% Egyptian_Copts + 3.1% Somali @ 1.72
4 96.8% Egyptian_Copts + 3.2% Oromo @ 1.74
5 97.1% Egyptian_Copts + 2.9% Wolayta @ 1.8
6 97.6% Egyptian_Copts + 2.4% Aricultivator @ 1.84
7 97.5% Egyptian_Copts + 2.5% Datog @ 1.9
8 98.4% Egyptian_Copts + 1.6% Gumuz @ 1.97
9 97.9% Egyptian_Copts + 2.1% Maasai @ 2.02
10 98.7% Egyptian_Copts + 1.3% Han_North_China @ 2.1
As you can see, the SSA admixture among Copts is still significant but not as much as their Muslim counterparts which made them shift more Southern than them.
So are the Egyptian Muslims as well regardless on the fact that they're more admixed than them in terms of genetics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby Martnen
They're not as Egyptian genetically.Quote:
Originally Posted by Toppo900
They're not as pure, sure, but at the same time, they're not that different from them either. Again, Arabians and the ancient Egyptians are descended from the ancient Levantine populace more than 5,000 years ago before the migration of ancient pre-Iranian peoples from Iran and Anatolians to the Levant in later years which had made the Levant more shifted towards west asia than to south-west asians.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby Martnen
Also, the Copts have preserved more traditional Egyptian culture and language than the Moslem, Arab Egyptians.Quote:
Originally Posted by Toppo900
(Copts speak Arabic now, but still use Coptic for religious purposes)
True. I mean, the word "Copt" back in the day used to describe the native ethnic Egyptians. Now, it refers to the local Egyptian ethno-religious group. I have a Coptic friend here who's name is Oblivion, and her paternal family's Y-DNA is J1-P58 which belongs to the same clade as Arabians which suggests that there had been Arabs who had converted and assimilated to the Coptic faith back in the day. Remember, the Coptic church isn't a closed religion to outsiders as those found among Zoroastrians, Druze, Yazidis and etc, and people who convert to the Coptic faith become Coptic themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby Martnen
Aren't a lot of Jews also J1-P58?Quote:
Originally Posted by Toppo900
What's your Y-DNA?
Yeah, but the one that is found among Jews isn't the same clades as those found in Arabians.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby Martnen
I don't know, and I'll do the testing once I get my first salary.
Three mummies are not well suited to study ancient Egypt as whole. However ancient Egypt was a mixed race society from the beginning.
I wish someone could reupload them or something. Such a shame that they had been deleted.
I found this post in another forum and according to me he's right:Quote:
Originally Posted by Toppo900
Quote:
I am rather skeptical about these remains being of pure, unadulterated Ancient Egyptians. Abusir el-Meleq is indeed a Hyksos site, plus AFAIK there's no archeological or any other evidence pointing at a pre-Canaanite/Hyksos presence in Egypt of the Iran_Neolithic component which seems to be present in the three individuals.
Aaargh I wish I knew more about this subclade.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peterski
Yh, J1-YSC234 in these samples suggests Hyksos/Semitic input as the origin date of this clade is in line with the development of the first Semitic language in the Levant and can thus be linked with Semitic movements. Though the E1b1b guy could've been a native, i'm not sureQuote:
Originally Posted by Ajeje Brazorf
That subclade of J1 is 5,800 years old. The back migration to Africa from the Middle East was in its last stages during this time. That’s still before dynastic Egypt began and at the beginning of pre-dynastic Egypt. So that allowed plenty enough time for it to be a subclade found among ancient Egyptians.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kelmendasi
Abusir El Meleq is not a Hyksos site. It was an area home to Osiris cult followers, as the Shuenemann et al. 2017 study points out. I seriously doubt the Hyksos were in an Osiris cult. As for Iran Neolithic component, well there is no other genome-wide DNA test results of any Egyptian mummy ever, so I don’t see how that assumption could be made.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ajeje Brazorf
These type of folks are only skeptical because the results do not correlate to their desires. People with bias and agenda are often guilty of this. These results are from three different time periods showing continuity among time periods.
In addition to this, two other DNA studies were released, one in 2017 and the other in 2018, which reveals haplogroups from tested ancient Egyptian mummies from the 11th and 12th dynasties (both of these dynasties were before any foreigners, this includes Hyksos) All three of these mummies had West Eurasian derived haplogroups, including two of them had an African adapted West Eurasian haplogroup, meaning a subclade formed inside of Africa which signals evidence of the back migration population into Africa from West Eurasia. All three of these mummies from these two studies have their haplogroups and even subclade represented among the haplogroups of the Abusir mummies, including one of the genome-wide mummies that tested as a West Eurasian.
I wouldn’t buy into those hypothetical fantasies from folks whose feelings have been hurt by modern science.
I know, I tried them again and they are no longer there. I wonder why were they removed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Toppo900
My DNA is T1a
I don't know either. Probably because it provoked a lot of Afrocentric assholes, lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Isleño
One could say that about remains from any country. However, these three genome-wide results are the only ones in existence so this is what we are to go by during the present time. Unless one can produce more genome-wide results, speculation doesn’t do any good.Quote:
Originally Posted by StonyArabia
As for what we do have other than these three genome-wide results, we have haplogroup studies. We have these 90 from Abusir El Meleq, plus three other mummies in upper egypt. That equals 93 ancient Egyptian haplogroup test results. Of these 93 total, 92 were West Eurasian and 1 was Sub-Saharan. Out of those 92 West Eurasian many of them are subclades formed inside of Africa which suggests definite back migration population evidence. The rest of the haplogroups were also present among the back migration to Africa from West Eurasia.
I think the evidence is becoming very clear that the ancient Egyptians were not black Africans of the Sub-Saharan type. As for those that think they descended from East African Horners, well that can’t be since Horners did not exist in their mulatto form of today before 3,000 years ago and Egypt is much older than 3,000 years old. If Horners were Sub-Saharan type blacks of Nilotic-Saharan origin before 3,000 years ago, it would be impossible to claim the Egyptians were Horners if all these 92 West Eurasian haplogroups collectively exist among ancient Egyptian remains, which nearly every haplogroup result uncovered thus far has been West Eurasian.
Probably so. Western society is so cucked today by political correctness and liberal bullying it’s amazing the men still identify as men.Quote:
Originally Posted by Toppo900
Cool, bro. Your haplogroup is found among the ancient Egyptians in various variants. My maternal haplogroup is U6b1 which is more of a native Canarian subclade, but variants of it are found among the ancient Egyptian haplogroups in similar subclades.Quote:
Originally Posted by StonyArabia
That’s cool though, we are related to the ancient Egyptians to an extent. I’m also a descendant of the West Eurasian back migration to Africa like the ancient Egyptians, via my Guanche admixture.
I think it’s quite fascinating that the Copts have the ancient Egyptian language in its final stages that they use for religious purposes. Egyptians should make it an official language of Egypt and teach it in schools to try and bring it back to the Egyptian people. They have such a rich history.Quote:
Originally Posted by Toppo900
I wish they can revive the language, lol. Want to listen more to the ancient Egyptian language.Quote:
Originally Posted by Isleño
One of these youts had the same mtdna as me right
Apparently every one is Egyptian now.
:lol:
That’s because those of us with the same or similar haplogroups are related down the line. Some it’s way down the line, others it’s not that far down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eggyolk
Which proves that race does exist, and anyone who denies that he either in complete denial of reality or is an idiot. The ancient Egyptians were genetically no different from their middle eastern neighbors in the Levant and Arabia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Isleño
Well, ancient Egyptians were African adapted West Eurasians, so they share DNA with many similar peoples like North Africans, Middle Easterners, Anatolians and Europeans. But of course most of these are way down the line related, I would say nothing too recent. My own maternal haplogroup is North African, as I’m Canarian descent and I’m Iberian European admixed with North African, the North African being on the maternal line. I can say I’m can confidently say I’m a back migration descendant to North Africa just as the ancient Egyptians, but I’m not Egyptian at all. I’m just partially related to Egyptians down the line like any Mediterranean North African would be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Egyptian
I don’t try to steal Egypt’s identity. That’s what Egypt-focused black Americans do.
Yes, race does exist. It has a biological side and a social side. Some only think it’s social, but that’s false thinking. Humans don’t look different because of a social construct only.Quote:
Originally Posted by Toppo900
In my opinion based off of genetic studies including the three I named in earlier posts, (Abusir, Djehutynakht, two brothers) I think the ancient Egyptians were most genetically like Saudi Bedouins. They had similar amount of Natufian, Neolithic Iranian and Neolithic Anatolian on the Abusir study. But other Gedmatch results show them also similar to Levantines. If we consider haplogroups, there are some that have connections to the Levant, Europe and other parts,of the Middle East and Anatolia.
I know for sure they were not Sub-Saharan type Nilo-Saharan blacks because the DNA doesn’t equate nor does it equate for East Africans given the fact that East Africans didn’t become mulattoes until 3,000 years ago and were Sub-Saharan type Nilo-Saharan blacks before that. I have studies that prove this if you need some info on it.
With that said, after all that I’ve read and seen, I’m completely positive that Egyptians were similar to other West Eurasians from the Middle East, mainly the Levant and Arabia. There may be an uptick of SSA near the areas around the Nubian border, such as 30% SSA and 70% West Eurasian, but I think for the vast majority of Egypt they would be similar to the Abusir mummies.