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Because we have the ruins of these cities, and they are dated as such.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kis_Kócos
Look here stupid, one of the Christian churches built in Romania between 4th and 6th century:
https://www.trecator.ro/wp-content/u...2-1024x678.jpg
who were building these churches, aliens?
Dude, gepids, goths and partly huns were christians too :DQuote:
Originally Posted by ixulescu
https://www.jstor.org/stable/2303783...n_tab_contents
Oh yeah, huns were building churches in Roman towns.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kis_Kócos
You are delusional beyond belief.
Ulfilas, or Wulfila, was the son or grandson of Christians from Sadagolthina (near Parnassus[4][5]) in Cappadocia who had been taken captive by the Goths. In 337 or 341, Ulfilas was sent by Arian emperor Constantius II to preach to the Goths in their language, and became the first bishop of the (Arian Christian) Goths. By 348, one of the (pagan) Gothic kings (reikos) began persecuting the Christian Goths, and Ulfilas and many other Christian Goths,[6] fled to safety within the Roman Empire's borders.
Between 348 and 383, Ulfilas translated the Bible into the Gothic language.[7][8] Thus some Arian Christians in the west used the vernacular languages, in this case including Gothic and Latin, for services, as did Christians in the eastern Roman provinces, while most Christians in the western provinces used Latin.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christ...rmanic_peoples
"In addition to these pagan beliefs, there are numerous attestations of Huns converting to Christianity and receiving Christian missionaries."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huns
Why not? And Dacia was not roman in the hun age.Quote:
Originally Posted by ixulescu
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kis_Kócos
There's no material proof that Huns and Goths living in Romania were Christian between 4th and 7th century.
First Germanic people Christianized en-masse and living outside the Roman empire were the Franks in 6th century and Saxons in the 7th century. They were thousands of kilometers away from Romania.
Stop spewing bullshit.
These are Roman churches, built in Roman towns, centuries after the Aurelian withdrawal.
I linked many proof for that, don't you read?Quote:
Originally Posted by ixulescu
"The first wave of the Great Migrations, (300 to 500) brought the influence of migratory tribes, especially the Germanic tribes. The Visigoths established a kingdom north of Danube and Transyilvania between 270-380.
In 380 a new power reached Transylvania, the Huns. They drow back every Germanic people from the Carpathian Basin except the Gepids. The Alans, Vandals, Quads left the region toward the Roman Empire. The Huns extended their rule over Transylvania after 420. After the disintegration of Attila's empire, Transylvania was inhabited by the remnants of various Hunnic, and a Germanic tribe, the Gepids. The Transyilvanain Gepids had a semiindependent status inside the Kingdom of Gepids, but this relative autonomy came to an end in the late 6th century. "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancien...f_Transylvania
Goths, huns were christians:
"Ulfilas, or Wulfila, was the son or grandson of Christians from Sadagolthina (near Parnassus[4][5]) in Cappadocia who had been taken captive by the Goths. In 337 or 341, Ulfilas was sent by Arian emperor Constantius II to preach to the Goths in their language, and became the first bishop of the (Arian Christian) Goths. By 348, one of the (pagan) Gothic kings (reikos) began persecuting the Christian Goths, and Ulfilas and many other Christian Goths,[6] fled to safety within the Roman Empire's borders.
Between 348 and 383, Ulfilas translated the Bible into the Gothic language.[7][8] Thus some Arian Christians in the west used the vernacular languages, in this case including Gothic and Latin, for services, as did Christians in the eastern Roman provinces, while most Christians in the western provinces used Latin."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christ...rmanic_peoples
"In addition to these pagan beliefs, there are numerous attestations of Huns converting to Christianity and receiving Christian missionaries."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huns
The problem is you look down these peoples, and you think every not latin not roman people were primitive savages with low IQ who built nothing, that's not true.
^ Do you understand the concept of a Roman town?
The church I posted earlier is in a Roman town.
Are you saying Huns built the church in a Roman town, are you this fucking stupid?
Otherwise yeah, some bishops were sent to Christianize Goths early, and some converted, but were forced to flee to the Roman empire. There was no en-masse conversion of Goths before Franks in the 6th century. And more importantly, there's no material proof that Christian Goths lived in Romania between 4th and 7th century.
If you have material proof show it to me. Put up or shut up.
1. I'm not bitchQuote:
Originally Posted by ixulescu
2. You said this churches built in 4-7 century:
"There's no material proof that Huns and Goths living in Romania were Christian between 4th and 7th century."
So it cannot be older or you don't know what are you talking about.
3. Goths, huns lived there in this time:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancien...f_Transylvania
"The East Germanic Goths and Gepids, who lived in sedentary communities, were the first new arrivals. The Goths dominated Moldavia and Wallachia from the 290s, and parts of Transylvania from the 330s. Their power collapsed under attacks by the nomadic Huns in 376. "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani...ly_Middle_Ages
Other source:
http://www.elib.hu/03400/03407/html/24.html
More precisely, this church was build in the 6th century in a Roman town.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kis_Kócos
This means that there was a Latinophone population living there in the 6th century.
Unless of course, Huns built the church in a Roman town, which is most idiotic argument Hungarian nationalists offered me in a while.
In reality, Huns sacked the city once (5th century), but it was rebuilt. The church was raised afterwards.
1. There was no Roman Empire in 6. century, it was destroyed in 5. century by goths.Quote:
Originally Posted by ixulescu
2. This is the Eastern Roman Empire:
http://byzantineap.weebly.com/upload...72672_orig.jpg
Romania was not latin area, so there were no roman towns in Transylvania in 6. century.
of course, I'm talking about Eastern Roman Empire, how hard was to figure that out?
But Transylvania was not a part of Eastern Roman Empire, neither Wallachia or Moldova, only a little part of Dobruja, and there was no latin speaker population in the lands on other side of the Danube, Procopius wrote:Quote:
Originally Posted by ixulescu
"The River Ister (Danube) flows down from the mountains in the country of the Celts, who are now called Gauls; and it passes through a great extent of country which for the most part is altogether barren, though in some places it is inhabited by barbarians who live a kind of brutish life and have no dealings with other men. When it gets close to Dacia, for the first time it clearly forms the boundary between the barbarians, who hold its left bank, and the territory of the Romans, which is on the right".
Peri Ktismaton (Buildings), Book IV, 9-10.
Writing the same nonsense all over again doesn't make it true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kis_Kócos
See in the map below the territories held by the Roman Empire North of Danube during Constantine the Great rule (4th century), which contradicts directly what you said.
And not only that: Roman towns existed outside the area explicitly claimed by the Romans, like Apulum for instance, which was most likely continuously inhabited during the early Middle Age.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...337_AD_png.PNG
So the romanians nationalists knows better than old chroniclers? This is all romanian sources... What is the proof of these population was latin speaker? Nothing... Dacia was home of goths, huns and gepids in 4-5. dentury:Quote:
Originally Posted by ixulescu
"By 376 a new wave of migratory people, the Huns, reached Transylvania, triggering conflict with the Visigothic kingdom.[citation needed] Hoping to find refuge from the Huns, Fritigern (a Visigothic leader) appealed to the Roman emperor Valens in 376 to be allowed to settle with his people on the south bank of the Danube. However, a famine broke out and Rome was unable to supply them with food or land. As a result, the Goths rebelled against the Romans for several years. The Huns fought the Alans, Vandals, and Quadi, forcing them toward the Roman Empire. Pannonia became the centre during the peak of Attila's reign (435–453).[15]
After Attila's death, the Hunnic empire disintegrated. In 455 the Gepids (under king Ardarich) conquered Pannonia, allowing them to settle for two centuries in Transylvania.[15] Their rule ended with attacks by the Lombards and Avars in 567.[15] Very few Gepid sites (such as cemeteries in the Banat region) after 600 remain; they were apparently assimilated by the Avar empire. "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Transylvania
The local dacian population was assimilated by huns and goths, gepids, there is no proof for dacian-vlach connection who lived 600-700 years later there...
I just saw your kit in my match list.
Largest segment = 8.2 cM
Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 8.2 cM (0.228 Pct)
Estimated number of generations to MRCA = 7.2
1 shared segments found for this comparison.
542795 SNPs used for this comparison.
https://media1.giphy.com/media/kxtmEEyyaGfC/source.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by Kaspias
bump
Sorry, Ford, for bumping this shit :D
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# Population Percent
1 North_European 43
2 Atlantic_Med 26.71
3 Caucasus 20.66
4 Southwest_Asian 4.76
5 Gedrosia 2.96
6 Siberian 1.46
7 Northwest_African 0.41
8 East_Asian 0.05
Code:Ford,2.96,1.46,0.41,0,26.71,43,0,0,4.76,0.05,20.66,0
Distance to: Ford
2.46799514 Bosnian
2.71197345 Croat
3.25076914 R.Moldova_Centre+North
4.52921627 Serb
5.82374450 HUN_Szekely
7.37774356 Hungarians
8.10520820 Montenegrin
10.36199788 Macedonian
10.88517800 Romanians
11.13520992 Pomak
Target: Ford
Distance: 2.0120% / 2.01202549 | ADC: 0.5x
54.6 Croat
39.0 Bosnian
6.4 Bulgarians
Target: Ford
Distance: 1.4852% / 1.48520026 | ADC: 0.25x
83.4 Croat
13.8 Bulgarians
2.4 Mixed_Slav
0.4 Nganassan