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03-19-2019, 03:18 PM
HungryLion

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Originally Posted by Pribislav

You see, you are more northern shifted than Tschkaikisten on K13.
Tschaikisten got 43.5% North_European and you 42.89% on dodecad K12. This is textbook example how bullshit is K12b.
Of course you are more northern than Tschaikisten, you have higher Baltic and North_Atlantic than him.
On K12b part of northern dna is hidden under the Atlantic_Med as I already said.

Yes, this was also said by a man who understands the subject at the professionally level.
In any case, I think that the Serbian average should be reconsidered, this is now definitely outdate.
03-19-2019, 03:22 PM
IncelSlayer

Quote:

Originally Posted by HungryLion

Yes, this was also said by a man who understands the subject at the professionally level.
In any case, I think that the Serbian average should be reconsidered, this is now definitely outdate.

Post your full ftdna result
03-19-2019, 03:26 PM
HungryLion

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Originally Posted by IncelSlayer

Post your full ftdna result

You have it on Poreklo.rs not just FTDNA, you can find also my heritage result whit map..I am type from the phone I'll try to post it later.
03-19-2019, 03:26 PM
Pribislav

Quote:

Originally Posted by HungryLion

Yes, this was also said by a man who understands the subject at the professionally level.
In any case, I think that the Serbian average should be reconsidered, this is now definitely outdate.

Of course it's outdated.
We need new one on higher sample. I don't remember when I saw last time Serb who is more southern than official Serbian average. Few are on average and majority are more norhern.

This are samples of Poreklo members. Woman 21 is Jewish influenced (has a lot of matches with Ashkenazy Jews), and 19 is son of woman 21. Few others are about Serbian average, and more of them are norhern from Serbian average. Definitely this average is outdated.
https://i.imgur.com/p5pUkeN.png
03-19-2019, 03:40 PM
HungryLion

Btw about FTDNA I got 2% Scandinavia which is okay, but why they separate Scandinavia from Europe ( I got oslo) ?
Also Thing I find intresting and to be honest I didn't expected I'm 100% European on Ftdna and my heritage etc...
03-19-2019, 03:42 PM
Adam Janossy

Hey, on DYS19 my papa got value = 16. Does that mean anything ?
03-19-2019, 03:50 PM
IncelSlayer

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Originally Posted by Pribislav

Serbs who more northern ploting are closer to proto-Serbs than southern ploting ones. Very simple.

If the more northern shifted you are the more closer to proto-serbs you are then croats are more proto-serbian than serbs
03-19-2019, 03:56 PM
HungryLion

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Originally Posted by Leeloo

Hey, on DYS19 my papa got value = 16. Does that mean anything ?

I have just looked at it, unfortunately I could not find it because the topic is very fragmented. If you want, you can freely set the results on the poreklo.rs, they are very nice and professional there.
There were already other nations besides the Serbs, I think even they cooperate with each other icluding Croatian dna project, and others..
03-19-2019, 04:00 PM
Adam Janossy

Quote:

Originally Posted by HungryLion

I have just looked at it, unfortunately I could not find it because the topic is very fragmented. If you want, you can freely set the results on the poreklo.rs, they are very nice and professional there.
There were already other nations besides the Serbs, I think even they cooperate with each other icluding Croatian dna project, and others..

Thanks, I think he is already there. Sample is from Dubica because that is where my paternal line comes from and they were muslim.
03-19-2019, 04:03 PM
Moje ime

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Originally Posted by Pribislav

Of course it's outdated.
We need new one on higher sample. I don't remember when I saw last time Serb who is more southern than official Serbian average. Few are on average and majority are more norhern.

What about results from Nis, Leskovac etc, from people who really have ancestry only from that area?

Serbs from Croatia are not really represent of average Serb.
03-19-2019, 04:06 PM
HungryLion

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Originally Posted by Leeloo

Thanks, I think he is already there. Sample is from Dubica because that is where my paternal line comes from and they were muslim.

Nice, well than you always can come and ask somebody for more info about your dad sample there on poreklo.rs.
There is few peple whit lot knowladge about PH908 .
03-19-2019, 04:08 PM
HungryLion

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Originally Posted by Moje ime

What about results from Nis, Leskovac etc, from people who really have ancestry only from that area?

Serbs from Croatia are not really represent of average Serb.

When I think better I agree, they know the best if they need to change or not
03-19-2019, 04:20 PM
HungryLion

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Originally Posted by IncelSlayer

If the more northern shifted you are the more closer to proto-serbs you are then croats are more proto-serbian than serbs

We do not know what kind of genetics they had none proto Serbs or Croats, and we are talking about two very similar if not the same ethnic grup. So as I said before this type of topic is useless. when we test the proto Croats and Proto Serbs then we can talk about it.
03-19-2019, 04:23 PM
Pribislav

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Originally Posted by Moje ime

What about results from Nis, Leskovac etc, from people who really have ancestry only from that area?

Serbs from Croatia are not really represent of average Serb.

Number 8 on map is from Kosovo, and number 1 is from here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rekovac
They are not close to Bulgarians.
https://i.imgur.com/p5pUkeN.png
03-19-2019, 04:28 PM
Moje ime

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Originally Posted by Pribislav

Number 8 on map is from Kosovo, and number 1 is from here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rekovac
They are not close to Bulgarians.
https://i.imgur.com/p5pUkeN.png

I think it is possible that majority of Serbs are around average, and minority are more northern. The average is not created of "more southern" and "more northern" individuals which would mean more diverse nation.
To confirm that you need good reliable sample from all areas.

Btw what's number 21 and 19 ancestry?
03-19-2019, 04:30 PM
Pribislav

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moje ime

I think it is possible that majority of Serbs are around average, and minority are more northern. The average is not created of "more southern" and "more northern" individuals which would mean more diverse nation.
To confirm that you need good reliable sample from all areas.

Btw what's number 21 and 19 ancestry?

From Vojvodina I think, but 21 has recent Jewish ancestors. Maybe The Devil's Advocate know more details.
03-19-2019, 04:39 PM
Pribislav

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Originally Posted by IncelSlayer

If the more northern shifted you are the more closer to proto-serbs you are then croats are more proto-serbian than serbs

What a joke. :rotfl:

Croatians often have recent German, Slovak, Hungarian, Slovenian, Czechs... ancestors.
Look at Jana and Hrvoje, they are mix of many nations. Earlier here was one Croatian user who was proud of his Danube Swabian paternal origin.
Serbs are not mixed with Austro-Hungarian leftovers as Croatians. Serbian dna is ancient whatever it is.
03-19-2019, 04:46 PM
Adam Janossy

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Originally Posted by Pribislav

What a joke. :rotfl:

Croatians often have recent German, Slovak, Hungarian, Slovenian, Czechs... ancestors.
Look at Jana and Hrvoje, they are mix of many nations. Earlier here was one Croatian user who was proud of his Danube Swabian paternal origin.
Serbs are not mixed with Austro-Hungarian leftovers as Croatians. Serbian dna is ancient whatever it is.

Only non-southern Slavic ancestry I have is some miniscule German, and it is below 10%. Maybe some tiny bit Greek but I do not know. Genetics does not always match family stories, I do not match Greece on 23andme.

Serbs are not any purer than Croats are, that is nationalistic bs.
03-19-2019, 04:54 PM
Pribislav

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Originally Posted by Leeloo

Only non-southern Slavic ancestry I have is some miniscule German, and it is below 10%. Maybe some tiny bit Greek but I do not know. Genetics does not always match family stories, I do not match Greece on 23andme.

Serbs are not any purer than Croats are, that is nationalistic bs.

I know tons of Croatians with recent foreign ancestors.

Mother of my friend is Croatian from Dalmatia, her maternal grandfather was Italian.
Mother of my other friend is Croatian from Podravska Slatina, her paternal grandfather was German and her original surname is uber German. She consider self for Croatian, her brother is Franc but she has very Croatian name.
Father's of both of my friends are Dalmatian Serbs.

I know many other examples, of Croatians which I know/meet or from what I heard.
03-19-2019, 04:54 PM
Ford

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Originally Posted by Pribislav

Banija Croatian which Hrvoje posted is weird. He ploting eastern as Stears (half Szekely), but more northern than Stears.

Your K15 map in higher resolution. You are even slightly more western than Austrians.
https://i.imgur.com/v6uFZFT.png

I think Jana (Leeloo) is close to you on K15 map.

Isn't that the same position as Ayetooey who is half English? I find it very hard to believe that he's plotting that much north without any foreign influence.
03-19-2019, 05:01 PM
Ford

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Originally Posted by Pribislav

Serb from HungryLion's region (Banija). He is more southern than HungryLion, but still more northern and western from Serbian average.
https://i.imgur.com/0SPuOLR.png

This guy as pretty much the same position as me, maybe one or two pixels more south. HungryLion is basically shifted more north than him who is from the same region by an entire ethnic group.
03-19-2019, 05:01 PM
Pribislav

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Originally Posted by Ford

Isn't that the same position as Ayetooey who is half English? I find it very hard to believe that he's plotting that much north without any foreign influence.

HungryLion is full Serb. Ask him.

He has documented all ancestors 300 years in the past and there is no non-Serbian ancestors.
Banija was part of Military Frontier and church books of born/married are well preserved there.
03-19-2019, 05:11 PM
Adam Janossy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pribislav

I know tons of Croatians with recent foreign ancestors.

Mother of my friend is Croatian from Dalmatia, her maternal grandfather was Italian.
Mother of my other friend is Croatian from Podravska Slatina, her paternal grandfather was German and her original surname is uber German. She consider self for Croatian, her brother is Franc but she has very Croatian name.
Father's of both of my friends are Dalmatian Serbs.

I know many other examples, of Croatians which I know/meet or from what I heard.

Yes but it is pretty easy to find different mixes among Serbs as well.
03-19-2019, 05:11 PM
Ford

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pribislav

HungryLion is full Serb. Ask him.

He has documented all ancestors 300 years in the past and there is no non-Serbian ancestors.
Banija was part of Military Frontier and church books of born/married are well preserved there.

Then I don't know what to say. I just find it unbelievable how a Serb can plot with Austrians. Has there been any other Serbs who are even remotely close to him?
03-19-2019, 05:22 PM
Pribislav

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leeloo

Yes but it is pretty easy to find different mixes among Serbs as well.

I know few Serbs with recent foreign ancestors. Mostly due to their Croatian mothers as guys which I mentioned up.
Their fathers meet their mothers due to internal moving of population in SFRJ (education, army, migrations from villages to cities etc.).

In Dalmatia Serbs were heavy mixed with Croatians only in Cetina and Vrlika Krajina. They were peasant and they mixed with Croatian peasant (without AU or Italian influence) who are same as they only carry different branch of Christianity.
Every second Serb from Vrlika-Cetina Krajina has Croatian (Bunjevac) mother, grandmother, or great-grandmother, from my experience.
Serbs from Bukovica, Ravni Kotari and Knin area very rare mixed with Croatians.
03-19-2019, 05:48 PM
Adam Janossy

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pribislav

I know few Serbs with recent foreign ancestors. Mostly due to their Croatian mothers as guys which I mentioned up.
Their fathers meet their mothers due to internal moving of population in SFRJ (education, army, migrations from villages to cities etc.).

In Dalmatia Serbs were heavy mixed with Croatians only in Cetina and Vrlika Krajina. They were peasant and they mixed with Croatian peasant (without AU or Italian influence) who are same as they only carry different branch of Christianity.
Every second Serb from Vrlika-Cetina Krajina has Croatian (Bunjevac) mother, grandmother, or great-grandmother, from my experience.
Serbs from Bukovica, Ravni Kotari and Knin area very rare mixed with Croatians.

What about Macedonian, Romanian/Vlach, Albanian admixture among Serbs ? And in Vojvodina ?
03-19-2019, 05:53 PM
Bosniensis

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Originally Posted by IncelSlayer

If the more northern shifted you are the more closer to proto-serbs you are then croats are more proto-serbian than serbs

Pribislav faps everyday on Pale White Russian girls.

Serbs are Southern not Northern like Croats.
03-19-2019, 05:53 PM
HungryLion

Idemo opet :D Vrv poslednji put jer mi je malo već čudno.
Dakle, od 10-12 kalkulatora koje imam uradjene samo jedan pokazuje da sam ( i ja se slažem sa time) ajmo reći previše severozapadno. Samo na dva kalkulatora se desila takva situacija, na K47 i K15 gde su mi "ekspodirale" komponente severnog germanskog mora.
Svuda, ali bukvalno svuda ostalo se sasvim jasno vidi srpki trag. Šta je uzrok tome? Ne znam. Keltska i Germanska komponenta su jako zamenjive, moguće da je "bag" u tom smislu, u kontekstu da mi se preliva Sever i zapad/severozapad, obzirom da gde god postoji centralna evropa automacki dolazi do smanjenja severnog mora kod mene.
Nekada rezultati budu malo komplikovaniji, kao što je kod mene slučaj. Nemam niti jednog pretka koji nije Srbin( radio sam istorijat, i porodicno stablo, zapravo platio stručnjaka za to).
Na K13 koje je najbolji kalkulator se apsolutno vidi da sam u grupi sa Srbima, hrvatski prosek mi je prilično daleko.
Opet kažem K13 ima najstabilnije komponente.
https://i.postimg.cc/ZqVcBhLb/march20b.png

Svi su dosta severniji od mene kao što se može videti.
Još nešto jako bitno, da imam bilo kakvog upliva u nekoj bližoj prošlosti istočni mediteran bi mi bio ispod zapadne Azije, to je maltene pravilo kod svih zapadnjaka, čak i kod mađara, ne moram dalje ni ići, kod mene to nije slučaj.
Vrednosti mi nisu povećane, jedino što imam malo manje nekih istočnih komponenti.
Ponavljam jedino gde se bukvalno desila "eksplozija" severnog mora su K47 i K15.
To što sam blizu Austrijancima ne shvatam uopšte bukvalno tako. Pogledajte koliko su svi severnije od mene na K13 npr korisnik Nato itd..Od 10 tak i više urađenih kalkulatora ja da se toliko fokusiram na jedan stvarno nemam nameru.
03-19-2019, 06:00 PM
Moje ime

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Originally Posted by Leeloo

Yes but it is pretty easy to find different mixes among Serbs as well.

Albanian admixture doesn't exists. Albanian admixture Serbs would plot south western from average. No such thing.
03-19-2019, 06:00 PM
IncelSlayer

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pribislav

What a joke. :rotfl:

Croatians often have recent German, Slovak, Hungarian, Slovenian, Czechs... ancestors.
Look at Jana and Hrvoje, they are mix of many nations. Earlier here was one Croatian user who was proud of his Danube Swabian paternal origin.
Serbs are not mixed with Austro-Hungarian leftovers as Croatians. Serbian dna is ancient whatever it is.

When serbs plot a little more southern than average they must be mixed with albo,montenegrin,bulgarian,romanian etc
When serbs plots a LOT more northern than average they are ancient serbs
When croats plot a little more northern than average they must be mixed with German, Slovak, Hungarian, Slovenian, Czechs foreigners
When croats plot a little more southern than average they must be catholic serbs

More annoying than your low IQ is the way you always come with some personal story and then try to generalize an entire group based on it.You're the only joke here
03-19-2019, 06:02 PM
HungryLion

Banalan primer ispada da smo ja i tschainen u odnosu na korisnika Srb1 sasvim neka deseta etnička grupa. Ja sam poprilično blizu njemu. Ponavljam, ne znam šta je razlog povećanog North_Sea na K15. Iskreno ne bih se vise cimao oko toga.
03-19-2019, 06:08 PM
HungryLion

Pritom bilo bi lekovito( za moje nerve :lol: ) ako bi ste se barem jednako fokusirali na mapu K13 koliko i na K15.
03-19-2019, 06:09 PM
Pribislav

Quote:

Originally Posted by IncelSlayer

When serbs plot a little more southern than average they must be mixed with albo,montenegrin,bulgarian,romanian etc
When serbs plots a LOT more northern than average they are ancient serbs
When croats plot a little more northern than average they must be mixed with German, Slovak, Hungarian, Slovenian, Czechs foreigners
When croats plot a little more southern than average they must be catholic serbs

More annoying than your low IQ is the way you always come with some personal story and then try to generalize an entire group based on it.You're the only joke here

:picard1:

I migth be everything, but not low IQ for sure.
03-19-2019, 06:11 PM
Moje ime

Quote:

Originally Posted by HungryLion

Pritom bilo bi lekovito( za moje nerve :lol: ) ako bi ste se barem jednako fokusirali na mapu K13 koliko i na K15.

Mislis K36 mapu? Pa tu bolje da se ne fokusiramo :D
03-19-2019, 06:13 PM
HungryLion

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Originally Posted by Moje ime

Mislis K36 mapu? Pa tu bolje da se ne fokusiramo :D

Ne nego na onu što sam postavio, K13 :)))
Na K36 Ford ima maltene iste rezultate kao ja .
Na ovo mislim https://i.postimg.cc/ZqVcBhLb/march20b.png
03-19-2019, 06:20 PM
HungryLion

Kapirate poentu?
Recimo na K15 možem ja biti koliko hou severno ali teško da je to realna slika, jer kada dođe do K13 čak i ljudi koji na nekoliko kalkulatora, a ne samo jednom imaju južnije rezultate, a recimo Mađari su, opet su severniji od mene, jer je kod mene izražena srpska admixtura, i tu se najbolje ogleda poreklo.
https://i.postimg.cc/PxGSXWbW/march20d.png
03-19-2019, 06:23 PM
Pribislav

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leeloo

What about Macedonian, Romanian/Vlach, Albanian admixture among Serbs ? And in Vojvodina ?

Vlachs from eastern Serbia are part of Serbian society over 200 years.

There is no Albanian admixture among Serbs.
Sandžakians who are pred. of Albanian origin are citizens of Serbia, but not Serbs thanks God.

Vojvodinian Serbs very rare mixed with other nations.
Most common mixing of Serbian speakers in Vojvodina with other nations is mixing of Montenegrin colonists (which settled after 1945) with Hungarians.
03-19-2019, 06:44 PM
Dick

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Originally Posted by HungryLion

Kapirate poentu?
Recimo na K15 možem ja biti koliko hou severno ali teško da je to realna slika, jer kada dođe do K13 čak i ljudi koji na nekoliko kalkulatora, a ne samo jednom imaju južnije rezultate, a recimo Mađari su, opet su severniji od mene, jer je kod mene izražena srpska admixtura, i tu se najbolje ogleda poreklo.
https://i.postimg.cc/PxGSXWbW/march20d.png

Looks nice but where is Bosniensis
03-19-2019, 06:47 PM
Pribislav

Quote:

Originally Posted by HungryLion

Kapirate poentu?
Recimo na K15 možem ja biti koliko hou severno ali teško da je to realna slika, jer kada dođe do K13 čak i ljudi koji na nekoliko kalkulatora, a ne samo jednom imaju južnije rezultate, a recimo Mađari su, opet su severniji od mene, jer je kod mene izražena srpska admixtura, i tu se najbolje ogleda poreklo.
https://i.postimg.cc/PxGSXWbW/march20d.png

Brate, naravno da nemaš ne-srpskog upliva.
Onaj Slovenac i Sremac su sasvim lepo objasnili da nisi atipičan za Srbina iz tvog kraja. Oni mnogo bolje poznaju autosomalnu neko iko ovde.
Logično da ne mogu svi Srbi biti autosomalno kao jaje jajetu, međutim Srbi su ipak jedan od najhomogenijih naroda u Evropi autosomalno.
03-19-2019, 06:49 PM
HungryLion

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dick

Looks nice but where is Bosniensis

:rofl::rofl:
Juče je izrazio protest, nije hteo da bude u istoj ravni sa makedoncem :lol:

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