Dodecad k12b West, Central & South Asian results Vol. 2

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Originally Posted by Sora

Yes, Kırşehir & Kırıkkale have more Gedrosian + South Asian than regular Turk. I guess it's due to Iranian ancestry as you said. And the Gedrosian + South Asian ancestry grows up as we go to Eastern provinces such as Sivas, Erzincan, Elazığ, Kahramanmaraş, Malatya etc. Not to mention Kars & Iğdır because those are mainly Azeri so it's normal they score more Gedrosian + South Asian

Also the cause of Iranian ancestry can be told like those:
1) They came from Khorasan or Azerbaijan as Bender1999 said
2) Some Seljuk Sultans or Anatolian "bey"s married to Iranian women (but most Anatolian Seljuk Sultans married to Greek & Georgian women)
3) Some Iranians came to Anatolia alongside with Turks (for example: Rumi) and they mixed with each other

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Thanks I was wondering because a lot of Eastern cities don't have more Gedrosian+South Asian than Kirsehir which is on level with Kurdish+Turkish mixed cities like Erzincan.
Despite this the East Eurasian is still relatively high.

For example compare with it's cities to the east (Gedrosian + South_Asian averages)

Kirsehir: 17.00 + 1.69
Kayseri: 14.83 + 1.31
Nigde: 13.63 + 1.40
Kahranmaras: 16.71 + 1.49
Erzincan: 17.05 + 1.44
Sivas: 16.74 + 1.49

Obviously cities with big Kurdish populations have similar and higher numbers but they also have less East Eurasian

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Originally Posted by Leto

Do you think you are mostly "assimilated"?

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No, but predominantly(at least 70%) Anatolian due to where I'm from. Unfortunately I have to save too much money and wait a year more for taking dna test. I really wonder my results, and I'll share with you first if I take dna test. But I can guesstimate more and less; I may come out as 50%-60% West Asian(Caucasian + Gedrosian) + 15%-25% European(including Med) + 8%-12% Mongoloid, because I've seen some Tokat results and they've came out so.

As ancestry; I'll probably come out as 70%-75% Anatolian & 25%-30% Central Asian as most Tokat Turks are*

*I took Gokturk samples as example

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Originally Posted by Kyp Snow

Thanks I was wondering because a lot of Eastern cities don't have more Gedrosian+South Asian than Kirsehir which is on level with Kurdish+Turkish mixed cities like Erzincan.
Despite this the East Eurasian is still relatively high.

For example compare with it's cities to the east (Gedrosian + South_Asian averages)

Kirsehir: 17.00 + 1.69
Kayseri: 14.83 + 1.31
Nigde: 13.63 + 1.40
Kahranmaras: 16.71 + 1.49
Erzincan: 17.05 + 1.44
Sivas: 16.74 + 1.49

Obviously cities with big Kurdish populations have similar and higher numbers but they also have less East Eurasian

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Turkmen_Uzbekistan
19.54
13.24
0.18
2.04
6.54
12.86
5.08
0.05
6.49
13.96
19.93
0.07

19.54% Ged + 5.08% SA

Not sure if it's a predominantly Oghuz sample. Only 29% Mongoloid.

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Originally Posted by Leto

Turkmen_Uzbekistan
19.54
13.24
0.18
2.04
6.54
12.86
5.08
0.05
6.49
13.96
19.93
0.07

19.54% Ged + 5.08% SA

Not sure if it's a predominantly Oghuz sample. Only 29% Mongoloid.

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I know that Turkmens score a lot of those components but I just asked the question because both regions to the west and east of Kirsehir have less, that's why I was wondering.

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Originally Posted by Kyp Snow

Thanks I was wondering because a lot of Eastern cities don't have more Gedrosian+South Asian than Kirsehir which is on level with Kurdish+Turkish mixed cities like Erzincan.
Despite this the East Eurasian is still relatively high.

For example compare with it's cities to the east (Gedrosian + South_Asian averages)

Kirsehir: 17.00 + 1.69
Kayseri: 14.83 + 1.31
Nigde: 13.63 + 1.40
Kahranmaras: 16.71 + 1.49
Erzincan: 17.05 + 1.44
Sivas: 16.74 + 1.49

Obviously cities with big Kurdish populations have similar and higher numbers but they also have less East Eurasian

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I don’t think the South Asian admix is atypical, but the Gedrosia is really high. Could also be just outliners.

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Originally Posted by Bender1999

I don’t think the South Asian admix is atypical, but the Gedrosia is really high. Could also be just outliners.

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Yes but these are averages so we have to go with it.

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Originally Posted by Sora

No, but predominantly(at least 70%) Anatolian due to where I'm from. Unfortunately I have to save too much money and wait a year more for taking dna test. I really wonder my results, and I'll share with you first if I take dna test. But I can guesstimate more and less; I may come out as 50%-60% West Asian(Caucasian + Gedrosian) + 15%-25% European(including Med) + 8%-12% Mongoloid, because I've seen some Tokat results and they've came out so.

As ancestry; I'll probably come out as 70%-75% Anatolian & 25%-30% Central Asian as most Tokat Turks are*

*I took Gokturk samples as example

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Well, Dr. Oz is only 6.4% Mongoloid on Dodecad

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 38.47
2 Gedrosia 14.06
3 North_European 13.35
4 Southwest_Asian 13.02
5 Atlantic_Med 12.12
6 Siberian 3.06
7 East_Asian 2.03
8 South_Asian 1.31
9 Southeast_Asian 1.3
10 Northwest_African 1.2

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...dmatch-results!

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Originally Posted by Kyp Snow

Yes but these are averages so we have to go with it.

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And it is also interesting, the most mongoloid one of Kirsehir has the most Gedrosian admix.

East Eurasian in red

Kirsehir: 17.00 + 1.69 (9.96)
Kayseri: 14.83 + 1.31 (7.69)
Nigde: 13.63 + 1.40 (9.29)
Kahranmaras: 16.71 + 1.49 (9.39)
Erzincan: 17.05 + 1.44 (4.37) (Large Kurdish population)
Sivas: 16.74 + 1.49 (7.96)

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Originally Posted by Bender1999

Kirsehir was, like konya(you named Rumi) one if the cultural hotspots of Anatolia in 11-15th century. The city was called Gülsehir(city of roses/flowers) , the nomadic and village people call it kır şehri(other say the name comes from Timur) because of the landscape. For a important city you need some officials, which were mostly persian speaking. Also scholars and preachers were sometimes of full or partly persian ancestry(Rumi was for example half Tadjik half noble Turkic ancestry). But how or even whether they left any genetic traces, thats the question.

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I guess, according to results, they're mainly settled those areas. Because a pure mix of Oghuz + Anatolian wouldn't have that much Gedrosian + South Asian.

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Originally Posted by Leto

Turkmen_Uzbekistan
19.54
13.24
0.18
2.04
6.54
12.86
5.08
0.05
6.49
13.96
19.93
0.07

19.54% Ged + 5.08% SA

Not sure if it's a predominantly Oghuz sample.

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Here are individual results of Bulgarian, Greek(Cretan & Cappadocian), Turkish(Anatolian & Balkan), Turkmens(Ashgabat, Uzbekistan & Afghan) & Uzbeks

https://abload.de/img/adsz22eu6.png

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Originally Posted by Leto

Well, Dr. Oz is only 6.4% Mongoloid on Dodecad

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 38.47
2 Gedrosia 14.06
3 North_European 13.35
4 Southwest_Asian 13.02
5 Atlantic_Med 12.12
6 Siberian 3.06
7 East_Asian 2.03
8 South_Asian 1.31
9 Southeast_Asian 1.3
10 Northwest_African 1.2

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I've seen his results before, but he's from Konya(9% Mongoloid on average) & half Circassian(they have 3%-10% Mongoloid and are 5% on average). I'm full Turkish(indeed I have 1/8 Meskhetian & 1/4 Kürtün Chepni ancestry) from Tokat, So I think that I'll have more Mongoloid than him, but still can't know without taking dna test. Oh God! Why I have no money and have to be at least 18 for this? :(

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Originally Posted by Sora

I guess, according to results, they're mainly settled those areas. Because a pure mix of Oghuz + Anatolian wouldn't have that much Gedrosian + South Asian.

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Could be. Maybe there are 1/3 Oghuz, 1/3 Anatolian and 1/3 iranic. Also many non iranics have a lot Gedrosia, in ny knowledge Georgians for example?

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Originally Posted by Sora

I guess, according to results, they're mainly settled those areas. Because a pure mix of Oghuz + Anatolian wouldn't have that much Gedrosian + South Asian.

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Yörük average:

15.01 + 1.73

Region with lowest Gedrosian I think is the Northwest. Lowest South_Asian is Northeast (except Azeris).

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Originally Posted by Bender1999

Could be. Maybe there are 1/3 Oghuz, 1/3 Anatolian and 1/3 iranic. Also many non iranics have a lot Gedrosia, in ny knowledge Georgians for example?

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Yes, Georgians & other Caucasians have 17% Gedrosian on average.

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Originally Posted by Kyp Snow

Yörük average:

15.01 + 1.73

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Do you have any Yörük results? If you do, can you post some here?

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Originally Posted by Sora

Do you have any Yörük results? If you do, can you post some here?

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Unfortunately no. i don't know where this average is from.

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Originally Posted by Sora

Do you have any Yörük results? If you do, can you post some here?

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But i think we have a lot of yörük results here in this forum. But i never observed their Gedrosian admix.

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Originally Posted by Sora

I've seen his results before, but he's from Konya(9% Mongoloid on average) & half Circassian(they have 3%-10% Mongoloid and are 5% on average). I'm full Turkish(indeed I have 1/8 Meskhetian & 1/4 Kürtün Chepni ancestry) from Tokat, So I think that I'll have more Mongoloid than him, but still can't know without taking dna test. Oh God! Why I have no money and have to be at least 18 for this? :(

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He is not half Circassian.
https://ethnicelebs.com/mehmet-oz

A person who is 50% Northern Caucasian would score noticeably more Northern Europe (NE in Circassians is above 20% on average), Caucasus and possibly more Gedrosia than he does. His results are average to someone from Konya.

Azerbaijani Rep result:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...Azerbaijan.svg

Gedrosian: 21.81
Siberian: 2.40
Northwest_African: 0.32
Southeast_Asian: 0.47
Atlantic_Med: 8.79
North_European: 10.34
South_Asian 0.46
East_African 0.00
Southwest_Asian: 11.00
East_Asian: 7.64
Caucasian: 36.76
SSA: 0.00

Distance to: Azeri
5.28593417 Azerbaijani
6.33109785 Azerbaijani_Iran
6.33999211 Azerbaijani_Turkey
7.22661747 Turk_Southeast
8.10024691 Turk_South
8.93190349 Turk_Central_East
9.14691205 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
9.21135712 Turk_Anatolia
9.49003688 Kurd_Kurmanji
9.60906863 Turk_Central_West
9.97655251 Turkmen_Iraq
10.13038005 Zaza
10.33288440 Yoruk
10.43033557 Talysh_Azerbaijan
10.69968691 Turk_Southwest
10.99383009 Iran_Khorasan
11.00070452 Kurd_Sorani
11.12652237 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
11.31869692 Turk_West_BlackSea
12.05876859 Kurd
12.16960147 Turk_East
12.25512546 Iranian_Fars
12.38635943 Iranian
12.62933490 Kurd_KAZ
12.63344371 Kurds

TTarget: Azeri
Distance: 3.4124% / 3.41237937 | ADC: 0.5x
89.0 Azerbaijani
4.2 Turkmens
3.2 Qumuq
1.8 Yoruk
1.4 JPT30
0.4 Japanese

Target: Azeri
Distance: 2.2899% / 2.28988891 | ADC: 0.25x
77.8 Azerbaijani
6.2 Kurd
5.6 Lezgin
5.6 Qumuq
2.0 Japanese
1.6 JPT30
1.2 Yoruk

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Originally Posted by Kivan

He is not half Circassian.
https://ethnicelebs.com/mehmet-oz

A person who is 50% Northern Caucasian would score noticeably more Northern Europe (NE in Circassians is above 20% on average), Caucasus and possibly more Gedrosia than he does. His results are average to someone from Konya.

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Sorry, I've interpreted this wrong: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehmet_Oz

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Oz was born in 1960 in Cleveland, Ohio, to Suna[12] and Mustafa Öz, who had emigrated from Konya Province, Turkey.[13][12] Mustafa, born in Bozkır, a small town in southern Turkey, earned scholarships that allowed him to emigrate to the United States as a medical resident in 1955. Suna (née Atabay), who comes from a wealthy Istanbul family, is the daughter of a pharmacist with Circassian (Shapsug) descent on her mother's side. Oz has two sisters, Seval Öz and Nazlim Öz

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Originally Posted by Sora

Sorry, I've interpreted this wrong: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehmet_Oz

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So presumably 3/4 Anatolian Turkish and 1/4 Circassian

Distance to: Oz
4.50551884 Turk_Central_West
4.87466922 Turk_West_BlackSea
5.00167972 Turk_Anatolia
5.32567367 Turk_Central_East
5.72654346 Turk_South
6.83469824 Turk_Southeast
6.86480153 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
6.93886158 Turk_Southwest
8.25679114 Turk_Northwest
8.86937427 Azerbaijani

Target: Oz
Distance: 3.0329% / 3.03293045 | ADC: 0.5x
69.8 Turk_West_BlackSea
10.8 Turk_Central_East
10.0 Lebanese
8.4 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
1.0 Turk_Southeast

Target: Oz
Distance: 1.6617% / 1.66168539 | ADC: 0.25x
59.2 Turk_West_BlackSea
14.0 Lebanese
10.8 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
6.0 Crimean_Tatar_Coast
4.6 Chechen
3.2 Uzbekistan_Jews
1.6 Yemen_Jews
0.6 Mordovian

Egyptian

Gedrosia 2.96 Pct
Siberian 0.27 Pct
Northwest_African 9.94 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 10.62 Pct
North_European -
South_Asian 1.14 Pct
East_African 13.73 Pct
Southwest_Asian 27.68 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 30.39 Pct
Sub_Saharan 3.27 Pct

Distance to: Khaled
3.73101863 Egyptans
13.38955937 Palestinian
14.24466216 Jordanians
15.47101160 Yemenese
18.39868202 Syrians
18.80261684 Bedouin
19.38278618 Lebanese
23.84009018 Nusayri_Turkey
24.11630361 Samaritians
24.43127095 Morocco_Jews

Target: Khaled
Distance: 2.9187% / 2.91868475 | ADC: 0.5x
94.2 Egyptans
4.4 Sephardic_Jews
1.4 Ethiopian_Jews

Target: Khaled
Distance: 1.6664% / 1.66635215 | ADC: 0.25x
86.6 Egyptans
8.8 Sephardic_Jews
3.4 Somali
0.6 Palestinian
0.6 Pulliyar

Azerbaijani originally from a destroyed exclave in Northeast Armenia:

Gedrosian: 20.91
Siberian: 3.94
Northwest_African: 1.43
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 9.04
North_European: 7.61
South_Asian 0.98
East_African 0.26
Southwest_Asian: 11.09
East_Asian: 5.06
Caucasian: 39.68
SSA: 0.00

Distance to: Azerbaijani_Qazax
2.94353529 Azerbaijani_Turkey
3.68124979 Azerbaijani
3.76469122 Azerbaijani_Iran
5.17491063 Turk_Southeast
6.57539352 Turk_Central_East
6.95910195 Kurd_Kurmanji
7.00708927 Turk_South
7.15462787 Zaza
7.24928272 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
7.91591435 Turkmen_Iraq
7.92842986 Talysh_Azerbaijan
8.25328419 Turk_East
8.34387200 Turk_Anatolia
8.76627059 Turk_Central_West
9.12696006 Kurd_Sorani
10.30001942 Kurd
10.34043519 Kurd_KAZ
10.59492331 Iranian
10.74115450 Kurds
10.78052411 Lur_Iran
10.98501707 Turk_Southwest
11.22196952 Turk_West_BlackSea
11.35484918 Yoruk
11.67186360 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
11.73040494 Uzbekistan_Jews

Target: Azerbaijani_Qazax
Distance: 1.6626% / 1.66259392 | ADC: 0.25x
60.4 Azerbaijani_Turkey
18.6 Kurd
16.0 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
3.6 Yoruk
0.6 Daur
0.4 JPT30
0.2 Japanese
0.2 Mozabite

Turkish from Tokat

Gedrosia: 18.60
Siberian: 3.26
Northwest_African: 0.0
Southeast_Asian: 0.0
Atlantic_Med: 12.69
North_European: 8.73
South_Asian: 2.30
East_African: 0.0
Southwest_Asian: 11.65
East_Asian: 4.80
Caucasus: 36.43
Sub_Saharan: 0.0

Distance to: Turk_Tokat
3.72294238 Turk_Southeast
4.70290336 Turk_South
5.01437932 Azerbaijani
5.10816993 Turk_Central_East
5.16746553 Turk_Central_West
5.23673562 Turk_Anatolia
5.70221010 Azerbaijani_Turkey
6.24140209 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
6.75962277 Azerbaijani_Iran
7.17876034 Turk_Southwest
7.44636824 Turk_West_BlackSea
9.04355019 Yoruk
9.38814678 Turkmen_Iraq
9.46746534 Kurd_Kurmanji
9.62973520 Turk_Northwest
10.25578373 Zaza
10.46202179 Turk_East
11.06645381 Kurd_Sorani
11.83412016 Talysh_Azerbaijan
13.01862512 Iran_Khorasan
13.42866337 Iranian_Fars
13.74118263 Lur_Iran
13.97768937 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
14.09560215 Kurd
14.11368131 Iranian

Target: Turk_Tokat
Distance: 2.2261% / 2.22608454 | ADC: 0.5x
65.2 Turk_Southeast
16.8 Azerbaijani
10.2 Yoruk
6.4 Turk_Central_West
1.4 French_Basque

Target: Turk_Tokat
Distance: 0.4768% / 0.47681593
43.0 Turk_Southeast
39.2 Azerbaijani
8.6 Yoruk
2.8 Turk_Central_West
2.2 French_Basque
1.4 Turk_Anatolia
1.0 Sardinian
0.6 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
0.4 Azerbaijani_Turkey
0.2 Hazara
0.2 Japanese
0.2 JPT30
0.2 Turkmens

Turk from Bolu(with 21% Mongoloid)

Gedrosia: 10.8
Siberian: 9.45
Northwest_African: 1.1
Southeast_Asian: 0.0
Atlantic_Med: 11.29
North European: 16.16
South_Asian: 1.9
East_African: 0.7
Southwest_Asian: 9.41
East_Asian: 11.18
Caucasus: 28.01
Sub_Saharan: 0.0

Distance to: Turk_Bolu
9.29552581 Yoruk
9.48371235 Turk_Northwest
11.09613446 Turk_Southwest
13.15616585 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
13.31880625 Turk_West_BlackSea
14.25076138 Turk_Anatolia
14.36030989 Turk_South
14.71347342 Turk_Central_West
14.87592686 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
15.72432828 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
15.98199925 Nogais
16.82239579 Turkmen_Iran
16.84594610 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
17.61081486 Turk_Central_East
18.22901808 Turk_Southeast
18.50631784 Crimean_Tatar_Coast
18.89240853 Uzbek
19.41052807 Azerbaijani
19.91009794 Qumuq
20.14616341 Turk_Bulgaria
20.26412100 Azerbaijani_Turkey
20.46380707 Turk_Greece
20.46505558 Turkmens
21.10540452 Azerbaijani_Iran
21.25634964 Karachay


Target: Turk_Bolu
Distance: 2.0522% / 2.05223345 | ADC: 0.25x

44.4 Yoruk
33.8 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
14.8 Turk_Northwest
4.4 Yemen_Jews
2.2 Nogais
0.4 Oroqen

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Originally Posted by Sora

Turk from Bolu(with 21% Mongoloid)

Gedrosia: 10.8
Siberian: 9.45
Northwest_African: 1.1
Southeast_Asian: 0.0
Atlantic_Med: 11.29
North European: 16.16
South_Asian: 1.9
East_African: 0.7
Southwest_Asian: 9.41
East_Asian: 11.18
Caucasus: 28.01
Sub_Saharan: 0.0

Distance to: Turk_Bolu
9.29552581 Yoruk
9.48371235 Turk_Northwest
11.09613446 Turk_Southwest
13.15616585 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
13.31880625 Turk_West_BlackSea
14.25076138 Turk_Anatolia
14.36030989 Turk_South
14.71347342 Turk_Central_West
14.87592686 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
15.72432828 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
15.98199925 Nogais
16.82239579 Turkmen_Iran
16.84594610 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
17.61081486 Turk_Central_East
18.22901808 Turk_Southeast
18.50631784 Crimean_Tatar_Coast
18.89240853 Uzbek
19.41052807 Azerbaijani
19.91009794 Qumuq
20.14616341 Turk_Bulgaria
20.26412100 Azerbaijani_Turkey
20.46380707 Turk_Greece
20.46505558 Turkmens
21.10540452 Azerbaijani_Iran
21.25634964 Karachay


Target: Turk_Bolu
Distance: 2.0522% / 2.05223345 | ADC: 0.25x

44.4 Yoruk
33.8 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
14.8 Turk_Northwest
4.4 Yemen_Jews
2.2 Nogais
0.4 Oroqen

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Tatar var mi Boluda?

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Originally Posted by Bender1999

Tatar var mi Boluda?

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Probably. I seriously doubt this is a normal Turkish result. Also low Atlantic_Med for the region.

Could be wrong though.

Another possibility is that these villages are mixed Oghuz+Tatar

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Originally Posted by Bender1999

Tatar var mi Boluda?

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Bilmiyorum ama toplam 4 tane %20 Mongoloid olan sonuç var. İkisi Bolu'dan, diğer ikisi de Mersin ve Muğla'dan

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...pbY/edit#gid=0

Ayrıca Youtuber Porçay'ın babasının köyü de Türkmen-Tatar karışık köymüş ama adam sadece %9 Mongoloid :confused:

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Originally Posted by Kyp

Probably. I seriously doubt this is a normal Turkish result. Also low Atlantic_Med for the region.

Could be wrong though.

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Exactly. And pretty high Nirth European. Turks have, conparing to others in their neighborhood and beeing nonIE, high NE but Anatolian Turks have rarely over 12-14% NE. Also caucasian is a bit low but idk whether that is normal for that region. I think he is mixed.

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Bilmiyorum ama toplam 4 tane %20 Mongoloid olan sonuç var. İkisi Bolu'dan, diğer ikisi de Mersin ve Muğla'dan

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...pbY/edit#gid=0

Ayrıca Youtuber Porçay'ın köyü de Türkmen-Tatar karışık köymüş ama adam sadece %9 Mongoloid

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For Mersin and Mugla i understand, also i would understand for Bolu, but the single components are different to other Turks.
For the youtuber i can say maybe this Tatars were Coastal Tatars or Caucasian Turkic. Or, that also could be, these were not Tatars just called Tatars because of the conditions and wher they came. My grandpa told me there are a family in Kirsehir which called Cerkez although they are Tatars. The official and people gave them this name because they were refugees from Russia. These tatars could be maybe Caucasians like Circissians, some score up to 10% mongoloid, some not even 3%.

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Originally Posted by Bender1999

For Mersin and Mugla i understand, also i would understand for Bolu, but the single components are different to other Turks.
For the youtuber i can say maybe this Tatars were Coastal Tatars or Caucasian Turkic. Or, that also could be, these were not Tatars just called Tatars because of the conditions and wher they came. My grandpa told me there are a family in Kirsehir which called Cerkez although they are Tatars. The official and people gave them this name because they were refugees from Russia. These tatars could be maybe Caucasians like Circissians, some score up to 10% mongoloid, some not even 3%.

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There are 3 main groups of Crimean Tatars(I say them because they're majority of Tatars in Turkey); Coast, Mountain, Steppe. Steppe are 28%-35% Mongoloid, Mountain are almost same as Anatolian Turks and Coastal Tatars have little-to-non Mongoloid. This result seems to be Steppe Tatar + Anatolian Turkish mix.

You can look up the averages of Tatars via here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=1797482804

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Originally Posted by Kyp

Probably. I seriously doubt this is a normal Turkish result. Also low Atlantic_Med for the region.

Could be wrong though.

Another possibility is that these villages are mixed Oghuz+Tatar

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yes, atlantic med is %15 in provinces close to those regions. he or she has at least 50% tatar ancestors.
I think turkish ancestors has %15 atlantic med %12-16 east eurasia %12-14 north european
Tatar ancestors has %6-8 atlantic med %24-28east eurasia %18-22 north european

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Originally Posted by Sora

Bilmiyorum ama toplam 4 tane %20 Mongoloid olan sonuç var. İkisi Bolu'dan, diğer ikisi de Mersin ve Muğla'dan

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...pbY/edit#gid=0

Ayrıca Youtuber Porçay'ın babasının köyü de Türkmen-Tatar karışık köymüş ama adam sadece %9 Mongoloid :confused:

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Porçayın annesi dogudan bir yerdendi. Bu yuzden daha az dogu avrasya alıyor. Babasi en az %15 doğu avrasya alirdi.

I find this result interesting; such a mix gives slightly less European version of I.

Balkan Turk

1/4 Targovishte
1/4 Varna
1/4 Langaza
1/4 Kırklareli

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 26.42
2 North_European 24.37
3 Atlantic_Med 19.17
4 Gedrosia 9.38
5 Southwest_Asian 8.6
6 Siberian 5.63
7 East_Asian 3.36
8 South_Asian 1.53
9 Northwest_African 1.2
10 Sub_Saharan 0.29
11 Southeast_Asian 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 14.1
2 Romanians (Behar) 15.07
3 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 15.29
4 O_Italian (Dodecad) 15.77
5 Greek (Dodecad) 16.03
6 C_Italian (Dodecad) 18.78
7 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 18.93
8 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 19.45
9 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 19.73
10 Sicilian (Dodecad) 20.03
11 Tuscan (HGDP) 20.28
12 TSI30 (Metspalu) 20.69
13 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 21.74
14 N_Italian (Dodecad) 22.4
15 Turkish (Dodecad) 23.51
16 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 23.77
17 Turks (Behar) 24.78
18 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 25.07
19 North_Italian (HGDP) 25.12
20 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 26.18

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 65.6% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 34.4% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 5.62
2 64.3% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 35.7% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 5.68
3 61% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 39% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 5.76
4 62.7% Turks (Behar) + 37.3% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 5.94
5 64.8% Romanians (Behar) + 35.2% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 5.99
6 66.7% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 33.3% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 6.06
7 62.6% Turks (Behar) + 37.4% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 6.2
8 64.1% Turkish (Dodecad) + 35.9% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 6.24
9 65.4% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 34.6% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 6.27
10 63.9% Turkish (Dodecad) + 36.1% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 6.31
11 55.9% Turks (Behar) + 44.1% German (Dodecad) @ 6.6
12 67.1% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 32.9% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 6.97
13 58.8% Turks (Behar) + 41.2% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 6.98
14 76.9% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 23.1% Hazara (HGDP) @ 7.02
15 57.4% Turkish (Dodecad) + 42.6% German (Dodecad) @ 7.07
16 59.8% Morocco_Jews (Behar) + 40.2% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 7.09
17 72.2% Bulgarian (Dodecad) + 27.8% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 7.19
18 61.1% Turks (Behar) + 38.9% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 7.23
19 66.5% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 33.5% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 7.25
20 57.5% Turks (Behar) + 42.5% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 7.26


Distance to: X
6.25980830 Turk_Bulgaria
7.03625611 Turk_Greece
7.48713563 Turk_Romania
8.67147046 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
9.47822241 Turk_Macedonia
10.73725756 R.Moldova_Gagauz
11.31350520 Gagauz
11.95752065 Crimean_Tatar_Coast
12.44565386 R.Moldova_South
13.35775056 Albanian_Kosovo
13.55973820 Pomak
13.98952823 Turk_Northwest
14.16350239 Albanian_North
14.19705561 Italy_Apulia
14.94870228 Bulgarian
15.11318630 Macedonian
15.40521353 Italy_Lazio
15.99867807 Romanians
16.16461647 Italy_Abruzzo
16.34860545 Bulgarians
16.82000113 Italy_Marche
16.86582343 Montenegrin
16.88280486 Turk_Southwest
16.93517936 Turk_West_BlackSea
17.23668834 Italy_Sicily


Target: X
Distance: 1.4079% / 1.40794806 | ADC: 0.25x
38.4 Gagauz
27.2 R.Moldova_Gagauz
21.4 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
4.6 Greek_Crete
2.4 Lebanese
1.6 Crimean_Tatar_Steppe
1.6 Ket
1.2 Nogais
1.0 Yemenese
0.6 Bedouin

Target: X
Distance: 3.1989% / 3.19889768 | ADC: 0.5x
73.8 R.Moldova_Gagauz
22.8 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
3.0 Lebanese
0.4 Azerbaijani

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Originally Posted by Kaspias

I find this result interesting; such a mix gives slightly less European version of I.

Balkan Turk

1/4 Targovishte
1/4 Varna
1/4 Langaza
1/4 Kırklareli

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How widespread is Balkan ancestry (Balkan Turkish, Pomak, Bosniak, Albanian) in modern Turkey in your opinion? Let's say down to 25% (one grandparent).

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Originally Posted by Leto

How widespread is Balkan ancestry (Balkan Turkish, Pomak, Bosniak, Albanian) in modern Turkey in your opinion? Let's say down to 25% (one grandparent).

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Pretty common in Western Anatolia considering even the isolated Yörük villages got the Balkan migration following the Russo-Turkish War. I can even say that an average Western Anatolian may have a 50-50% chance to have such an ancestor in the past. But this is something deeper, and already absorbed in most cases.

Having a recent Balkan ancestor is also common but only in some cities: Eastern Thrace as a whole, Bursa, İzmir, İstanbul, Eskişehir, Kocaeli, Çanakkale, Balıkesir, Manisa, Bilecik, Aydın, Yalova, Sakarya, Kütahya, Ankara the ones I recall immediately. In addition, there are Balkan communities who live together and marry only among each other.

https://i.ibb.co/qDhT4SL/9ef7ef99-51...03d68f8956.png

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Originally Posted by Kaspias

I find this result interesting; such a mix gives slightly less European version of I.

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Altay'ın sonucuna da benziyor.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 26.47
2 North_European 22.23
3 Atlantic_Med 20.59
4 Gedrosia 9.55
5 Southwest_Asian 8.88
6 Siberian 6.27
7 East_Asian 2.64
8 South_Asian 2.31
9 Northwest_African 0.63
10 East_African 0.41

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 O_Italian (Dodecad) 14.77
2 Greek (Dodecad) 15.23
3 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 15.46
4 Romanians (Behar) 16.37
5 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 16.48
6 C_Italian (Dodecad) 17.38
7 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 17.77
8 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 18.12
9 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 18.28
10 Sicilian (Dodecad) 18.54
11 Tuscan (HGDP) 18.91
12 TSI30 (Metspalu) 19.37
13 N_Italian (Dodecad) 21.44
14 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 22.23
15 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 22.62
16 Turkish (Dodecad) 22.83
17 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 23.5
18 North_Italian (HGDP) 24
19 Turks (Behar) 24.22
20 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 25.94

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 68.7% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 31.3% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 5.69
2 63.8% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) + 36.2% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 6.04
3 68.5% Sicilian (Dodecad) + 31.5% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 6.53
4 65.5% Turkish (Dodecad) + 34.5% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 6.94
5 64% Turks (Behar) + 36% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 6.96
6 61.9% Turks (Behar) + 38.1% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 7.01
7 70.3% Greek (Dodecad) + 29.7% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 7.04
8 71.1% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 28.9% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 7.05
9 59.9% Turks (Behar) + 40.1% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 7.08
10 62.7% Turks (Behar) + 37.3% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 7.15
11 62.7% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) + 37.3% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 7.18
12 61% Turks (Behar) + 39% English (Dodecad) @ 7.19
13 60.9% Turks (Behar) + 39.1% CEU30 (1000Genomes) @ 7.21
14 62.7% Turks (Behar) + 37.3% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 7.21
15 60.7% Turks (Behar) + 39.3% Kent (1000Genomes) @ 7.23
16 62.6% Turks (Behar) + 37.4% Irish (Dodecad) @ 7.24
17 62.5% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 37.5% Nogais (Yunusbayev) @ 7.26
18 62.7% Morocco_Jews (Behar) + 37.3% Chuvashs (Behar) @ 7.27
19 61.9% Turks (Behar) + 38.1% British (Dodecad) @ 7.27
20 68.2% Greek (Dodecad) + 31.8% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 7.29

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Originally Posted by Kaspias

Pretty common in Western Anatolia considering even the isolated Yörük villages got the Balkan migration following the Russo-Turkish War. I can even say that an average Western Anatolian may have a 50-50% chance to have such an ancestor in the past. But this is something deeper, and already absorbed in most cases.

Having a recent Balkan ancestor is also common but only in some cities: Eastern Thrace as a whole, Bursa, İzmir, İstanbul, Eskişehir, Kocaeli, Çanakkale, Balıkesir, Manisa, Bilecik, Aydın, Yalova, Sakarya, Kütahya, Ankara the ones I recall immediately. In addition, there are Balkan communities who live together and marry only among each other.

https://i.ibb.co/qDhT4SL/9ef7ef99-51...03d68f8956.png

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yes, my grandfather's village is isolated. but there are Bosnian and Balkan immigrants in the village. but, no one remembers the Balkan ancestor. Most of them got married with yoruks. I also have 1/16 Balkan ancestors.
Also, even in Kayseri, there are around 5-10% Balkan immigrants. But there has been a lot of mixing with Anatolian Turkish.

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Originally Posted by mergen3

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yes, my grandfather's village is isolated. but there are Bosnian and Balkan immigrants in the village. but, no one remembers the Balkan ancestor. Most of them got married with yoruks. I also have 1/16 Balkan ancestors.

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Yes, this is the case in most of Aegean Yörük villages.

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Also, even in Kayseri, there are around 5-10% Balkan immigrants. But there has been a lot of mixing with Anatolian Turkish.

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There should be hotspots in other cities as well. Adana and Samsun the other ones I remember. The wave that came with population exchange distributed all over Anatolia, even including SE Anatolia.

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Originally Posted by Kaspias

Yes, this is the case in most of Aegean Yörük villages.



There should be hotspots in other cities as well. Adana and Samsun the other ones I remember. The wave that came with population exchange distributed all over Anatolia, even including SE Anatolia.

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yes, there are also Crete immigrants in the center of Antalya. Generally, people are very mixed in the center of Adana and Mersin. I know 3 people from Adana. they all have Balkan ancestors. but there are also Nusayri and Anatolian Turks ancestors.

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Hardly an Asian but whatever - half Volga Tatar, half Russian (he looks fully Europoid with light pigmentation)

Population
Gedrosia 4.04 Pct
Siberian 8.71 Pct
Northwest_African -
Southeast_Asian 0.56 Pct
Atlantic_Med 15.09 Pct
North_European 50.04 Pct
South_Asian 1.37 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 2.43 Pct
East_Asian 4.46 Pct
Caucasus 13.18 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.12 Pct

Target: Timur
Distance: 2.8551% / 2.85514379 | ADC: 0.5x
49.2 Tatar_Kazan
29.0 Mordovian
17.0 Rus_Kostroma
4.8 R.Moldova_Centre+North

Target: Timur
Distance: 1.7360% / 1.73601445 | ADC: 0.25x
53.0 Tatar_Kazan
22.6 Mixed_Slav
18.2 Mordovian
6.2 Bulgarians

With the Mixed_Slav removed

Target: Timur
Distance: 2.8551% / 2.85514379 | ADC: 0.5x
49.2 Tatar_Kazan
29.0 Mordovian
17.0 Rus_Kostroma
4.8 R.Moldova_Centre+North

Target: Timur
Distance: 2.0576% / 2.05758049 | ADC: 0.25x
44.2 Tatar_Kazan
36.2 Mordovian
11.0 Rus_Tver
8.4 Bulgarians
0.2 Japanese

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Originally Posted by Kaspias

Pretty common in Western Anatolia considering even the isolated Yörük villages got the Balkan migration following the Russo-Turkish War. I can even say that an average Western Anatolian may have a 50-50% chance to have such an ancestor in the past. But this is something deeper, and already absorbed in most cases.

Having a recent Balkan ancestor is also common but only in some cities: Eastern Thrace as a whole, Bursa, İzmir, İstanbul, Eskişehir, Kocaeli, Çanakkale, Balıkesir, Manisa, Bilecik, Aydın, Yalova, Sakarya, Kütahya, Ankara the ones I recall immediately. In addition, there are Balkan communities who live together and marry only among each other.

https://i.ibb.co/qDhT4SL/9ef7ef99-51...03d68f8956.png

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100% true

There are many Balkan Turk - Anatolian Turk couples, one of them was from Manisa. I've watched a travel program and the presenter went to a Balkan(Bulgarian) Turk village in Manisa and there was a young(at least 20-25 years old) Yörük woman in the village who married to a Balkan Turk from that village. Also a member of Stardust(a Turkish girl group which will debut at 23rd August) called "Havana"(of course it's her stage name) has Balkan(Thessaloniki, Greece) Turk mother & Anatolian(Samsun) Turk father. There are more examples like that due to there is no religious or ethnical differences. There are Balkan Turks even in Tokat

I guess the Balkan Turk population in Turkey is 4%-8% and 10%-15% among ethnic Turkish population