Dodecad k12b West, Central & South Asian results Vol. 3

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10-23-2020, 06:58 PM
Halgurd

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyp

Isn't there some discussion about the Kocgiri that they are Kurdified Turks?

Nope, that stems from Turkish state propaganda. Mehrdad Izady states the names of some Kurdified Turkish tribes, and the Qoçgiri are not amongst them.
10-23-2020, 07:17 PM
Fedora

There are like 10 results here in this thread. Alevi Kurds seem to have have evaluated eurasian if you compare them to Yezidis.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...-Alevi-results

Quote:

Originally Posted by Konpirike

All of these are Kurmanji speaking Alevis from Maras:

Dodecad K12b:

1:

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 41.02
2 Gedrosia 20.68
3 Southwest_Asian 12.7
4 Atlantic_Med 10.16
5 North_European 8.13
6 East_Asian 3.81
7 South_Asian 1.76
8 Siberian 1.11
9 East_African 0.33
10 Sub_Saharan 0.21
11 Southeast_Asian 0.09

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turks (Behar) 7.54
2 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 8.9
3 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 8.99
4 Kurd (Dodecad) 9.29
5 Turkish (Dodecad) 9.39
6 Iranian (Dodecad) 9.69
7 Iranians (Behar) 12.35
8 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 13.67
9 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 13.67
10 Assyrian (Dodecad) 14.18
11 Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) 14.67
12 Armenian (Dodecad) 15.13
13 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 15.17
14 Lebanese (Behar) 15.79
15 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 15.86
16 Iraq_Jews (Behar) 16.01
17 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 17.05
18 Armenians (Behar) 18.28
19 Syrians (Behar) 18.45
20 Druze (HGDP) 18.56

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 57.3% Turkish (Dodecad) + 42.7% Iranians (Behar) @ 2.88
2 89.6% Turks (Behar) + 10.4% Brahui (HGDP) @ 3.18
3 87.9% Turks (Behar) + 12.1% Makrani (HGDP) @ 3.19
4 88.6% Turks (Behar) + 11.4% Balochi (HGDP) @ 3.31
5 50.3% Kurd (Dodecad) + 49.7% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 3.35
6 63.8% Turks (Behar) + 36.2% Iranians (Behar) @ 3.4
7 85.1% Turkish (Dodecad) + 14.9% Makrani (HGDP) @ 3.47
8 87.1% Turkish (Dodecad) + 12.9% Brahui (HGDP) @ 3.62
9 85.9% Turkish (Dodecad) + 14.1% Balochi (HGDP) @ 3.65
10 50.9% Turkish (Dodecad) + 49.1% Iranian (Dodecad) @ 3.77
11 51.3% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 48.7% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 3.93
12 56.7% Turks (Behar) + 43.3% Kurd (Dodecad) @ 3.94
13 72.7% Kurd (Dodecad) + 27.3% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 3.98
14 71.8% Iranian (Dodecad) + 28.2% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 4.13
15 67.9% Assyrian (Dodecad) + 32.1% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 4.13
16 73.8% Kurd (Dodecad) + 26.2% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 4.17
17 72.8% Iranian (Dodecad) + 27.2% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 4.19
18 58.3% Turks (Behar) + 41.7% Iranian (Dodecad) @ 4.23
19 75.8% Kurd (Dodecad) + 24.2% Greek (Dodecad) @ 4.23
20 66.4% Armenian (Dodecad) + 33.6% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 4.25

2:

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 42.08
2 Gedrosia 23.69
3 Southwest_Asian 12.35
4 North_European 10.04
5 Atlantic_Med 7.18
6 East_Asian 1.82
7 Siberian 1.62
8 South_Asian 1.07
9 East_African 0.15

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 5.91
2 Kurd (Dodecad) 6.68
3 Iranian (Dodecad) 6.97
4 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 9.21
5 Turks (Behar) 9.43
6 Iranians (Behar) 10.63
7 Turkish (Dodecad) 11.94
8 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 13.71
9 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 14.08
10 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 14.38
11 Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) 14.85
12 Assyrian (Dodecad) 15.02
13 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 15.71
14 Armenian (Dodecad) 15.76
15 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 16.56
16 Iraq_Jews (Behar) 17.28
17 Lebanese (Behar) 18.34
18 Armenians (Behar) 18.51
19 Lezgins (Behar) 18.66
20 Chechens (Yunusbayev) 19.91

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 81.7% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 18.3% Nogais (Yunusbayev) @ 2.58
2 63.6% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 36.4% Turks (Behar) @ 2.94
3 67% Georgia_Jews (Behar) + 33% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 3.04
4 87.8% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 12.2% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) @ 3.04
5 69.5% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 30.5% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 3.05
6 60.1% Kurd (Dodecad) + 39.9% Turks (Behar) @ 3.09
7 66.1% Kurd (Dodecad) + 33.9% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 3.12
8 87.6% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 12.4% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 3.15
9 72.8% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 27.2% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) @ 3.19
10 88.2% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 11.8% Romanians (Behar) @ 3.23
11 65.8% Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) + 34.2% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 3.26
12 59% Iranian (Dodecad) + 41% Turks (Behar) @ 3.32
13 64.4% Armenian (Dodecad) + 35.6% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 3.36
14 65.3% Iranian (Dodecad) + 34.7% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 3.41
15 86.5% Kurd (Dodecad) + 13.5% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) @ 3.46
16 69.9% Kurd (Dodecad) + 30.1% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) @ 3.48
17 86.2% Kurd (Dodecad) + 13.8% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 3.58
18 86.1% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 13.9% Greek (Dodecad) @ 3.64
19 92.6% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 7.4% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) @ 3.68
20 93.1% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 6.9% Russian_B (Behar) @ 3.69

3:
# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 38.37
2 Gedrosia 23.03
3 Southwest_Asian 12.55
4 Atlantic_Med 9.55
5 North_European 7.99
6 South_Asian 2.99
7 Siberian 2.29
8 Southeast_Asian 2.14
9 Northwest_African 0.89
10 East_African 0.2

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Iranian (Dodecad) 7.19
2 Kurd (Dodecad) 7.51
3 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 7.63
4 Iranians (Behar) 9.39
5 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 9.95
6 Turks (Behar) 11.06
7 Turkish (Dodecad) 12.89
8 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 15.47
9 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 15.68
10 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 15.91
11 Assyrian (Dodecad) 16.32
12 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 16.55
13 Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) 17.15
14 Lebanese (Behar) 17.16
15 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 17.19
16 Iraq_Jews (Behar) 17.52
17 Armenian (Dodecad) 17.76
18 Syrians (Behar) 19.45
19 Druze (HGDP) 20.85
20 Armenians (Behar) 20.96

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 78.9% Iranian (Dodecad) + 21.1% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 2.42
2 78.3% Iranian (Dodecad) + 21.7% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 2.47
3 79.7% Iranian (Dodecad) + 20.3% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 2.61
4 80.5% Iranian (Dodecad) + 19.5% Greek (Dodecad) @ 2.66
5 79.2% Iranian (Dodecad) + 20.8% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 2.67
6 82.4% Iranian (Dodecad) + 17.6% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 2.79
7 82.9% Iranian (Dodecad) + 17.1% O_Italian (Dodecad) @ 2.98
8 84% Iranian (Dodecad) + 16% Tuscan (HGDP) @ 3.1
9 84.4% Iranian (Dodecad) + 15.6% TSI30 (Metspalu) @ 3.11
10 78.3% Iranian (Dodecad) + 21.7% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 3.16
11 80% Iranian (Dodecad) + 20% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 3.35
12 86.8% Iranian (Dodecad) + 13.2% North_Italian (HGDP) @ 3.41
13 86.2% Iranian (Dodecad) + 13.8% N_Italian (Dodecad) @ 3.42
14 80.6% Kurd (Dodecad) + 19.4% Greek (Dodecad) @ 3.56
15 76% Iranians (Behar) + 24% Greek (Dodecad) @ 3.6
16 85.3% Iranian (Dodecad) + 14.7% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) @ 3.65
17 78.7% Kurd (Dodecad) + 21.3% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 3.67
18 82.9% Kurd (Dodecad) + 17.1% O_Italian (Dodecad) @ 3.71
19 82.5% Kurd (Dodecad) + 17.5% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 3.71
20 73.7% Iranians (Behar) + 26.3% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 3.73

4:
# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 40.5
2 Gedrosia 20.75
3 Southwest_Asian 13.2
4 Atlantic_Med 11.47
5 North_European 6.17
6 South_Asian 1.99
7 Northwest_African 1.86
8 East_Asian 1.31
9 Siberian 1.22
10 Southeast_Asian 1.14
11 Sub_Saharan 0.4

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 7.96
2 Turks (Behar) 8.75
3 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 8.93
4 Kurd (Dodecad) 9.13
5 Iranian (Dodecad) 9.6
6 Turkish (Dodecad) 10.26
7 Iranians (Behar) 11.69
8 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 12.84
9 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 13.27
10 Assyrian (Dodecad) 13.39
11 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 14.12
12 Lebanese (Behar) 14.3
13 Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) 14.53
14 Iraq_Jews (Behar) 14.81
15 Armenian (Dodecad) 14.83
16 Syrians (Behar) 17.25
17 Druze (HGDP) 17.4
18 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 18.16
19 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 18.3
20 Armenians (Behar) 18.4

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 68.5% Iranian (Dodecad) + 31.5% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 2.02
2 71.2% Kurd (Dodecad) + 28.8% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 2.25
3 72.1% Kurd (Dodecad) + 27.9% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 2.33
4 71.1% Iranian (Dodecad) + 28.9% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 2.48
5 70.3% Iranian (Dodecad) + 29.7% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 2.63
6 70% Kurd (Dodecad) + 30% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 2.63
7 73.3% Kurd (Dodecad) + 26.7% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 2.76
8 71.2% Iranian (Dodecad) + 28.8% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 2.88
9 72.7% Kurd (Dodecad) + 27.3% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 2.89
10 70.6% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 29.4% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 2.89
11 72.3% Iranian (Dodecad) + 27.7% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 2.94
12 73.1% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 26.9% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 3.08
13 72.2% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 27.8% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 3.08
14 73% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 27% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 3.1
15 71.7% Iranian (Dodecad) + 28.3% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 3.14
16 74.1% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 25.9% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 3.26
17 53.6% Turkish (Dodecad) + 46.4% Iranians (Behar) @ 3.27
18 67.2% Iranian (Dodecad) + 32.8% Cypriots (Behar) @ 3.39
19 73.6% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 26.4% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 3.42
20 72.8% Kurd (Dodecad) + 27.2% Morocco_Jews (Behar) @ 3.47

5:
# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 41.08
2 Gedrosia 21.83
3 Southwest_Asian 11.65
4 Atlantic_Med 8.78
5 North_European 8.42
6 Siberian 2.66
7 South_Asian 2.2
8 Northwest_African 1.9
9 Southeast_Asian 1.18
10 Sub_Saharan 0.3

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 7.7
2 Iranian (Dodecad) 7.83
3 Kurd (Dodecad) 7.99
4 Turks (Behar) 8.64
5 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 8.96
6 Turkish (Dodecad) 10.84
7 Iranians (Behar) 11.02
8 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 14.07
9 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 14.07
10 Assyrian (Dodecad) 14.82
11 Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) 14.86
12 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 15.1
13 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 15.49
14 Armenian (Dodecad) 15.53
15 Lebanese (Behar) 16.73
16 Iraq_Jews (Behar) 16.8
17 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 16.86
18 Armenians (Behar) 18.4
19 Druze (HGDP) 19.67
20 Syrians (Behar) 19.74

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 76.4% Iranian (Dodecad) + 23.6% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 2.77
2 77.3% Iranian (Dodecad) + 22.7% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 2.9
3 50.5% Turkish (Dodecad) + 49.5% Iranians (Behar) @ 3.12
4 56.8% Turks (Behar) + 43.2% Iranians (Behar) @ 3.15
5 59.1% Iranian (Dodecad) + 40.9% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 3.17
6 79.3% Iranian (Dodecad) + 20.7% Greek (Dodecad) @ 3.32
7 53% Iranian (Dodecad) + 47% Turks (Behar) @ 3.44
8 58.8% Kurd (Dodecad) + 41.2% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 3.51
9 86% Turks (Behar) + 14% Makrani (HGDP) @ 3.53
10 86.8% Turks (Behar) + 13.2% Balochi (HGDP) @ 3.57
11 78.9% Iranian (Dodecad) + 21.1% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 3.62
12 88% Turks (Behar) + 12% Brahui (HGDP) @ 3.62
13 76.9% Kurd (Dodecad) + 23.1% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 3.67
14 52.5% Kurd (Dodecad) + 47.5% Turks (Behar) @ 3.75
15 78.7% Iranian (Dodecad) + 21.3% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 3.83
16 79.5% Kurd (Dodecad) + 20.5% Greek (Dodecad) @ 3.84
17 78% Kurd (Dodecad) + 22% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 3.9
18 77.4% Iranian (Dodecad) + 22.6% Sephardic_Jews (Behar) @ 3.97
19 78.2% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 21.8% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 4
20 60.5% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 39.5% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 4.04

6:
# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 47.53
2 Gedrosia 19.27
3 North_European 12.75
4 Atlantic_Med 8.05
5 Southwest_Asian 7.42
6 East_Asian 1.9
7 Siberian 1.84
8 South_Asian 0.91
9 East_African 0.21
10 Sub_Saharan 0.11

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turks (Behar) 6.77
2 Turkish (Dodecad) 8.48
3 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 8.82
4 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 13.04
5 Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) 13.08
6 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 13.41
7 Armenian (Dodecad) 13.83
8 Iranian (Dodecad) 13.85
9 Adygei (HGDP) 14.04
10 Kurd (Dodecad) 14.17
11 Armenians (Behar) 14.21
12 Chechens (Yunusbayev) 14.64
13 Balkars (Yunusbayev) 14.64
14 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 14.75
15 North_Ossetians (Yunusbayev) 14.88
16 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 15.52
17 Lezgins (Behar) 16.2
18 Assyrian (Dodecad) 16.26
19 Iranians (Behar) 18.07
20 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 18.82

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 71.4% Turks (Behar) + 28.6% Lezgins (Behar) @ 2.08
2 66.4% Turkish (Dodecad) + 33.6% Lezgins (Behar) @ 2.48
3 69.7% Turks (Behar) + 30.3% Chechens (Yunusbayev) @ 2.56
4 65.9% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) + 34.1% Assyrian (Dodecad) @ 3.12
5 64.9% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) + 35.1% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) @ 3.15
6 62.1% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) + 37.9% Armenian (Dodecad) @ 3.18
7 58.1% Turks (Behar) + 41.9% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) @ 3.36
8 64.7% Turkish (Dodecad) + 35.3% Chechens (Yunusbayev) @ 3.43
9 60.9% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) + 39.1% Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) @ 3.46
10 51.2% Turkish (Dodecad) + 48.8% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) @ 3.78
11 64.2% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) + 35.8% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 3.8
12 57.1% Lezgins (Behar) + 42.9% Cypriots (Behar) @ 3.82
13 70.8% Turks (Behar) + 29.2% Adygei (HGDP) @ 3.82
14 72.8% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) + 27.2% Druze (HGDP) @ 3.85
15 72.6% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) + 27.4% Cypriots (Behar) @ 3.87
16 61.9% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) + 38.1% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) @ 3.94
17 71.9% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) + 28.1% Iraq_Jews (Behar) @ 4.03
18 70.4% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) + 29.6% Iranian_Jews (Behar) @ 4.26
19 70.1% Armenians (Behar) + 29.9% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 4.38
20 73.4% Turks (Behar) + 26.6% North_Ossetians (Yunusbayev) @ 4.39

7:
# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 40.81
2 Gedrosia 25.61
3 Southwest_Asian 12.41
4 North_European 8.99
5 Atlantic_Med 7.9
6 Northwest_African 1.47
7 South_Asian 0.95
8 East_Asian 0.88
9 Siberian 0.82
10 East_African 0.15

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 4.45
2 Kurd (Dodecad) 4.9
3 Iranian (Dodecad) 5.61
4 Iranians (Behar) 8.58
5 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 9.63
6 Turks (Behar) 11.5
7 Turkish (Dodecad) 13.81
8 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 15.03
9 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 15.12
10 Assyrian (Dodecad) 15.68
11 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 15.71
12 Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) 15.96
13 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 16.05
14 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 16.4
15 Armenian (Dodecad) 16.86
16 Iraq_Jews (Behar) 17.59
17 Lebanese (Behar) 18.69
18 Lezgins (Behar) 19.54
19 Armenians (Behar) 19.83
20 Syrians (Behar) 21.17

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 89.2% Kurd (Dodecad) + 10.8% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) @ 1.76
2 88.8% Kurd (Dodecad) + 11.2% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 1.82
3 89.4% Kurd (Dodecad) + 10.6% Romanians (Behar) @ 1.94
4 90.5% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 9.5% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) @ 1.97
5 90.1% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 9.9% Bulgarian (Dodecad) @ 2
6 90.6% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 9.4% Romanians (Behar) @ 2.02
7 87.1% Kurd (Dodecad) + 12.9% Greek (Dodecad) @ 2.17
8 93% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 7% Hungarians (Behar) @ 2.24
9 93.6% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 6.4% German (Dodecad) @ 2.38
10 90.1% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 9.9% O_Italian (Dodecad) @ 2.39
11 89% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 11% Greek (Dodecad) @ 2.48
12 94.4% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 5.6% Polish (Dodecad) @ 2.51
13 93.8% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 6.2% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 2.52
14 94% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 6% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 2.53
15 92% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 8% N_Italian (Dodecad) @ 2.53
16 94.6% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 5.4% Norwegian (Dodecad) @ 2.55
17 93.7% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 6.3% French (HGDP) @ 2.56
18 94.6% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 5.4% Swedish (Dodecad) @ 2.56
19 94.2% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 5.8% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.56
20 94.4% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 5.6% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 2.57

8:
# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 43.15
2 Gedrosia 20.53
3 Southwest_Asian 13.17
4 Atlantic_Med 9.24
5 North_European 9.17
6 East_Asian 1.45
7 Siberian 1.21
8 South_Asian 1.16
9 East_African 0.6
10 Northwest_African 0.32

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turks (Behar) 6.73
2 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 7.36
3 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 8.17
4 Turkish (Dodecad) 8.9
5 Kurd (Dodecad) 9.11
6 Iranian (Dodecad) 9.6
7 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 11.75
8 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 12.16
9 Assyrian (Dodecad) 12.69
10 Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) 12.74
11 Iranians (Behar) 12.84
12 Armenian (Dodecad) 13.32
13 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 13.88
14 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 14.86
15 Iraq_Jews (Behar) 15.01
16 Lebanese (Behar) 15.33
17 Armenians (Behar) 16.42
18 Druze (HGDP) 17.62
19 Syrians (Behar) 18.34
20 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 18.99

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 52.3% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 47.7% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 1.96
2 50.6% Turkish (Dodecad) + 49.4% Kurd (Dodecad) @ 2.27
3 55.4% Turks (Behar) + 44.6% Kurds (Yunusbayev) @ 2.39
4 58.6% Turks (Behar) + 41.4% Kurd (Dodecad) @ 2.74
5 59.7% Turkish (Dodecad) + 40.3% Iranians (Behar) @ 2.85
6 67.3% Turks (Behar) + 32.7% Iranians (Behar) @ 2.86
7 52.1% Turkish (Dodecad) + 47.9% Iranian (Dodecad) @ 2.96
8 60.5% Turks (Behar) + 39.5% Iranian (Dodecad) @ 3.21
9 75.1% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 24.9% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 3.24
10 76.2% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 23.8% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 3.46
11 73.2% Georgia_Jews (Behar) + 26.8% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 3.6
12 78.2% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 21.8% Greek (Dodecad) @ 3.67
13 70.4% Armenian (Dodecad) + 29.6% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 3.69
14 69.4% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) + 30.6% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) @ 3.76
15 90.2% Turks (Behar) + 9.8% Makrani (HGDP) @ 3.78
16 91.5% Turks (Behar) + 8.5% Brahui (HGDP) @ 3.8
17 90.7% Turks (Behar) + 9.3% Balochi (HGDP) @ 3.83
18 79.5% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) + 20.5% Nogais (Yunusbayev) @ 3.89
19 73.4% Kurd (Dodecad) + 26.6% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 4.01
20 68.4% Iranian (Dodecad) + 31.6% Cypriots (Behar) @ 4.16

9:
# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 37.62
2 Gedrosia 18.69
3 Atlantic_Med 14.02
4 North_European 11.73
5 Southwest_Asian 10.58
6 Siberian 2.5
7 Northwest_African 1.45
8 East_Asian 1.4
9 South_Asian 1.22
10 Southeast_Asian 0.81

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turks (Behar) 9.51
2 Turkish (Dodecad) 9.7
3 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 13.62
4 Kurd (Dodecad) 13.8
5 Iranian (Dodecad) 13.84
6 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 13.87
7 Iranians (Behar) 16
8 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 16.25
9 Lebanese (Behar) 17.24
10 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 17.47
11 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 18.27
12 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 18.41
13 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 18.49
14 Assyrian (Dodecad) 18.9
15 Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) 18.97
16 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 18.99
17 Armenian (Dodecad) 19.07
18 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 19.5
19 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 19.52
20 Cypriots (Behar) 19.62

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 60.5% Iranian (Dodecad) + 39.5% Greek (Dodecad) @ 2.8
2 60.7% Kurd (Dodecad) + 39.3% Greek (Dodecad) @ 3.13
3 58.7% Cypriots (Behar) + 41.3% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 3.46
4 65% Iranian (Dodecad) + 35% O_Italian (Dodecad) @ 3.54
5 64.5% Iranian (Dodecad) + 35.5% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 3.59
6 65.1% Kurd (Dodecad) + 34.9% O_Italian (Dodecad) @ 3.64
7 57% Iranians (Behar) + 43% Greek (Dodecad) @ 3.67
8 64.7% Kurd (Dodecad) + 35.3% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 3.92
9 65.6% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 34.4% O_Italian (Dodecad) @ 4.01
10 67.3% Iranian (Dodecad) + 32.7% Tuscan (HGDP) @ 4.06
11 67.4% Kurd (Dodecad) + 32.6% Tuscan (HGDP) @ 4.11
12 68.3% Iranian (Dodecad) + 31.7% TSI30 (Metspalu) @ 4.18
13 69% Kurd (Dodecad) + 31% Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) @ 4.19
14 57.6% Iranian (Dodecad) + 42.4% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) @ 4.26
15 68.4% Kurd (Dodecad) + 31.6% TSI30 (Metspalu) @ 4.29
16 61.4% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 38.6% Greek (Dodecad) @ 4.3
17 65.2% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 34.8% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 4.36
18 60.1% Iranian (Dodecad) + 39.9% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 4.36
19 59.1% Iranian (Dodecad) + 40.9% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) @ 4.42
20 67.9% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 32.1% Tuscan (HGDP) @ 4.53

10:
# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 36.47
2 Gedrosia 14.34
3 Atlantic_Med 14.3
4 North_European 12.11
5 Southwest_Asian 9.7
6 East_Asian 5.28
7 Siberian 4.15
8 South_Asian 2.44
9 Northwest_African 1.2

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turkish (Dodecad) 9.74
2 Turks (Behar) 10.31
3 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 16.62
4 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 17.15
5 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 17.19
6 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 17.72
7 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 17.88
8 Iranian (Dodecad) 17.96
9 Kurd (Dodecad) 18.08
10 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 18.22
11 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 18.3
12 Lebanese (Behar) 18.34
13 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 18.4
14 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 18.54
15 Sicilian (Dodecad) 19.06
16 Greek (Dodecad) 19.32
17 Cypriots (Behar) 19.66
18 Iranians (Behar) 20.1
19 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 20.75
20 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 20.8

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 51.9% Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) + 48.1% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 3.22
2 50.2% Ashkenazi (Dodecad) + 49.8% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) @ 3.61
3 59.1% Cypriots (Behar) + 40.9% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 4.69
4 85.3% Turks (Behar) + 14.7% Irish (Dodecad) @ 4.95
5 85.4% Turks (Behar) + 14.6% Orcadian (HGDP) @ 4.95
6 85.1% Turks (Behar) + 14.9% British (Dodecad) @ 4.95
7 85.1% Turks (Behar) + 14.9% Argyll (1000Genomes) @ 4.96
8 85% Turks (Behar) + 15% Cornwall (1000Genomes) @ 4.98
9 85.4% Turks (Behar) + 14.6% Orkney (1000Genomes) @ 4.98
10 84.9% Turks (Behar) + 15.1% English (Dodecad) @ 5.08
11 84.7% Turks (Behar) + 15.3% Kent (1000Genomes) @ 5.08
12 85.3% Turks (Behar) + 14.7% British_Isles (Dodecad) @ 5.09
13 84.9% Turks (Behar) + 15.1% CEU30 (1000Genomes) @ 5.1
14 83.5% Turks (Behar) + 16.5% French (HGDP) @ 5.19
15 84.6% Turks (Behar) + 15.4% Dutch (Dodecad) @ 5.21
16 84.1% Turks (Behar) + 15.9% Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) @ 5.24
17 52.1% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 47.9% Greek (Dodecad) @ 5.26
18 82.5% Turks (Behar) + 17.5% Portuguese (Dodecad) @ 5.29
19 51.7% Turkmens (Yunusbayev) + 48.3% Sicilian (Dodecad) @ 5.3
20 79.9% Turkish (Dodecad) + 20.1% Uzbeks (Behar) @ 5.39
10-23-2020, 07:19 PM
Leto

Are Kurds in Turkey all Turkish-speaking and/or bilingual?
10-23-2020, 07:21 PM
Fedora

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halgurd

Nope, that stems from Turkish state propaganda. Mehrdad Izady states the names of some Kurdified Turkish tribes, and the Qoçgiri are not amongst them.

Kocgiris are very kurdish autosomally, they don't seem to have any non-kurdish influence in their genetics. And the region is still kurdish speaking.
10-23-2020, 07:40 PM
RatCat

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyp

https://i.imgur.com/MvtBtcu.jpg

Have you got a chart like this for Trabzon and Circassians?
10-23-2020, 07:48 PM
Kyp

Quote:

Originally Posted by RatCat

Have you got a chart like this for Trabzon and Circassians?

No unfortunately just this one.. Google for it maybe you can find something
10-23-2020, 07:57 PM
Dr_Maul

Quote:

Originally Posted by RatCat

Have you got a chart like this for Trabzon and Circassians?

Not sure how reliable this is but I found this. Mostly L and G which makes sense for a neolithic/Caucasian population

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-qpDBHPbdh.../ydnatablo.png
10-23-2020, 08:00 PM
RatCat

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr_Maul

Not sure how reliable this is but I found this. Mostly L and G which makes sense for a neolithic/Caucasian population

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-qpDBHPbdh.../ydnatablo.png

Thank you. Difference between West Trabzon and East Trabzon is interesting too. West almost has no haplogroup L.

West:
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GLip8G_MP...%2Btrabzon.png

East:
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-PoLF5V-Yd...%2Btrabzon.png
10-23-2020, 08:04 PM
Leto

Bunalim's father from Trabzon is J2a, I believe.
10-23-2020, 09:31 PM
Bender1999

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

Are Kurds in Turkey all Turkish-speaking and/or bilingual?

It depends on individual cases. But for example most of Kurdish villages in the home city of my parents are turkified, but everyone knows who is a kurd or who not.

I don’t want to ignite a discussion so i wont respond to this question anymore. Tribes in Turkey are well researched, regardless of your ethnicity. Claiming here that scientifical research is just propaganda of a state is bullshit and sometimes i cannot respond to this kind of bullshit anymore, honestly discussions aren’t enriching anymore with those kind of backwardness. Not everyone must have the same opinion or thoughts, i know but at some point this cool threads/discussions lose the charm. Turkey is interested in to spot the distribution of all ethnicities and their origin since last years. Reason for that is for example some stupid maps like some members have in their signatures. That is often criticized as partitioning or whatever. Here i must to laud Turkush historians for their great work about that and i say that as someone who often criticizes Turks in this science. I know many are just trolling, i am here as someone who is interested in history and genetics. But that shit becomes boring...
10-23-2020, 10:25 PM
Halgurd

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bender1999

It of

According to Turkish researchers and historians my tribe is Turkic too, so spare me your bullshit bro. Stop trying to Turkify everybody and have some boundaries.

If you are interested in genetics, do a DNA test yourself.
10-23-2020, 10:42 PM
Halgurd

According to Bender this is the splendid and academic work of a Turk historian 'Əli Rza Özdəmir'. According to this i'm a Yoruk.

https://axar.az/news/toplum/95261.html

Əşirət (Tayfa) Adı: Balik, Balikan

Yaşadığı Yerlər: Ərbil, Revanduz, Tunceli (Mazgirt)

Boyu: Yörük

I must applaud their research though. Honestly, they've literally listed every Kurdish tribe and assigned a Turkic subgroup origin to them.

I really wish it is a parody, but it is not.
10-23-2020, 10:47 PM
Aren

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halgurd

According to Bender this is the splendid and academic work of a Turk historian 'Əli Rza Özdəmir'. According to this i'm a Yoruk.

https://axar.az/news/toplum/95261.html

Əşirət (Tayfa) Adı: Balik, Balikan

Yaşadığı Yerlər: Ərbil, Revanduz, Tunceli (Mazgirt)

Boyu: Yörük

I must applaud their research though. Honestly, they've literally listed every Kurdish tribe and assigned a Turkic subgroup origin to them.

I really wish it is a parody, but it is not.

Are you sure he is referring to the Kurdish tribes rather than the co-territorial Turks?
10-23-2020, 10:48 PM
Leto

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post6591064

From the first thread but at that time there was no updated oracle. Some Levantine Arab (his half Russian son is apparently called 'Canaan', lol)

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 37.93
2 Southwest_Asian 22.42
3 Gedrosia 11.58
4 Atlantic_Med 10.97
5 Northwest_African 7.53
6 East_African 5.41
7 North_European 2.13
8 South_Asian 1
9 Southeast_Asian 0.55
10 East_Asian 0.48

Distance to: Abdelsalam
4.13236010 Syrian_C
4.26669661 Palestinian
6.73612648 Jordanians
6.86550799 Syrian_A
7.20229824 Lebanese_Muslim
8.77540882 Syrian_B
8.88032094 Syria_SW_Christian
8.98503756 Palestinian_Christian
9.43530074 Lebanese_Christian
10.00400420 Nusayri_Turkey

Target: Abdelsalam
Distance: 2.1969% / 2.19686505 | ADC: 0.25x
64.6 Syrian_C
20.0 Coptic
6.2 Georgian_Svan
4.8 Mandean
4.2 Iran_Mazandaran
0.2 Ethiopian_Jews
10-23-2020, 10:51 PM
Leto

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halgurd

According to Turkish researchers and historians my tribe is Turkic too, so spare me your bullshit bro. Stop trying to Turkify everybody and have some boundaries.

If you are interested in genetics, do a DNA test yourself.

Are you originally from Turkey? I forgot.

Send Bender some bucks or euros, he can't afford a test. Maybe TA should start a fundraising campaign for him :D
Too bad if in the end he'd turn out to be a low-Mong Turk. Like 6-7% or so.
10-24-2020, 07:48 AM
Kyp

Pretty sure a Jordanian from Amman - I wonder if he has some Turkoman or Circassian ancestry

Gedrosian: 11.07
Siberian: 1.37
Northwest_African: 5.98
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 11.47
North_European: 3.90
South_Asian: 0.05
East_African: 4.78
Southwest_Asian: 21.92
East_Asian: 1.21
Caucasus: 35.96
Sub_Saharan: 2.28

Distance to: Jordanian
3.78569677 Syrian_C
3.90064097 Palestinian
6.77918137 Syrian_A
7.28465511 Lebanese_Muslim
7.41218591 Jordanians
7.88888459 Syrian_B
10.06221646 Iraqi_Baghdad
10.11550295 Palestinian_Christian
10.12939287 Syria_SW_Christian
10.37959537 Nusayri_Turkey
10.62132760 Lebanese_Christian
11.35928061 Egyptian
12.26678442 Turk_Cyprus
12.96707369 Iraqi_Jew
13.37484206 Kurdish_Jew
13.53733726 Iranian_Jew
13.99077911 Mandean
14.20859247 Greek_Cypriot
14.26296603 Turk_Southeast
14.73223676 Turkmen_Iraq
14.95821848 Assyrian_South
15.10017881 Assyrian_West
15.41390930 Azeri_Jew
15.55443667 Turk_Central_East
15.66811412 Assyrian_North

Target: Jordanian
Distance: 1.3186% / 1.31860015 | ADC: 0.25x
84.6 Palestinian
5.8 Egyptian
5.4 Nogai
2.4 Lak
1.0 Kumyks
0.4 Luhya
0.2 Lezgin
0.2 Selkup
10-24-2020, 07:51 AM
Kyp

Pretty sure a Jordanian from Amman - I wonder if he has some Circassian ancestry down the line

Gedrosian: 11.07
Siberian: 1.37
Northwest_African: 5.98
Southeast_Asian: 0.00
Atlantic_Med: 11.47
North_European: 3.90
South_Asian: 0.05
East_African: 4.78
Southwest_Asian: 21.92
East_Asian: 1.21
Caucasus: 35.96
Sub_Saharan: 2.28

Distance to: Jordanian
3.78569677 Syrian_C
3.90064097 Palestinian
6.77918137 Syrian_A
7.28465511 Lebanese_Muslim
7.41218591 Jordanians
7.88888459 Syrian_B
10.06221646 Iraqi_Baghdad
10.11550295 Palestinian_Christian
10.12939287 Syria_SW_Christian
10.37959537 Nusayri_Turkey
10.62132760 Lebanese_Christian
11.35928061 Egyptian
12.26678442 Turk_Cyprus
12.96707369 Iraqi_Jew
13.37484206 Kurdish_Jew
13.53733726 Iranian_Jew
13.99077911 Mandean
14.20859247 Greek_Cypriot
14.26296603 Turk_Southeast
14.73223676 Turkmen_Iraq
14.95821848 Assyrian_South
15.10017881 Assyrian_West
15.41390930 Azeri_Jew
15.55443667 Turk_Central_East
15.66811412 Assyrian_North

Target: Jordanian
Distance: 1.3186% / 1.31860015 | ADC: 0.25x
84.6 Palestinian
5.8 Egyptian
5.4 Nogai
2.4 Lak
1.0 Kumyks
0.4 Luhya
0.2 Lezgin
0.2 Selkup

Another Jordanian:

Gedrosia 9.85 Pct
Siberian -
Northwest_African 5.79 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 14.17 Pct
North_European 1.12 Pct
South_Asian 0.87 Pct
East_African 6.94 Pct
Southwest_Asian 23.21 Pct
East_Asian 0.45 Pct
Caucasus 34.15 Pct
Sub_Saharan 3.45 Pct

Another Kocgiri Kurd from Turkey:

Gedrosia 25.06 Pct
Siberian 1.37 Pct
Northwest_African 0.82 Pct
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 8.74 Pct
North_European 6.19 Pct
South_Asian 3.14 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 13.82 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 40.84 Pct
Sub_Saharan -
10-24-2020, 08:12 AM
Amon

Palestinian from Israel

Pali,10.72,0,5.82,0.33,16.18,2.66,1.44,4.1,20.66,0 ,38.09,0

Distance to: Pali
3.93631808 Syrian_C
3.98391767 Syrian_A
4.53756543 Lebanese_Muslim
5.26941173 Palestinian
6.70906104 Nusayri_Turkey
7.37263861 Syrian_B

Target: Pali
Distance: 1.4710% / 1.47099187 | ADC: 0.25x
46.8 Syrian_C
33.8 Syrian_A
10.0 Greek_Cypriot
8.4 Morocco_Jews
0.8 Ethiopian_Jews
0.2 Dhurwa
10-24-2020, 09:38 AM
Bender1999

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

Send Bender some bucks or euros, he can't afford a test. Maybe TA should start a fundraising campaign for him :D
Too bad if in the end he'd turn out to be a low-Mong Turk. Like 6-7% or so.

I don’t need money from anyone, just have other priorities as a student. Besides of that I have other interests which also have precedence. Even if i would have results, i won’t post them here in this forum.

My attitude wouldn’t change, neither if i would get 0% nor if i would get 20% east eurasian, regardless of that i doubt my result would be different than an average Turk.
10-24-2020, 09:48 AM
Leto

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bender1999

Even if i would have results, i won’t post them here in this forum.

Why so? Then you may as well just leave and stop commenting here so actively.
10-24-2020, 09:52 AM
Bender1999

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leto

Why so? Then you may as well just leave and stop commenting here so actively.

People who are interested could see that, but not for all.
10-24-2020, 09:56 AM
Kyp

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bender1999

People who are interested could see that, but not for all.

Gedmatch results are hardly something private, in the end they are just numbers
10-24-2020, 10:08 AM
Leto

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bender1999

People who are interested could see that, but not for all.

Dude, you won't be a diamond in the sand, there are hundreds of Turks on Gedmatch if not thousands. Whether it's 10% East Eurasian or 15% doesn't matter.
10-24-2020, 10:27 AM
Zoro

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halgurd

According to Bender this is the splendid and academic work of a Turk historian 'Əli Rza Özdəmir'. According to this i'm a Yoruk.

https://axar.az/news/toplum/95261.html

Əşirət (Tayfa) Adı: Balik, Balikan

Yaşadığı Yerlər: Ərbil, Revanduz, Tunceli (Mazgirt)

Boyu: Yörük

I must applaud their research though. Honestly, they've literally listed every Kurdish tribe and assigned a Turkic subgroup origin to them.

I really wish it is a parody, but it is not.

That’s pretty wild. The title to his page “ Türk kökənli kürd tayfaları – Araşdırma” translates “Kurdish tribes of Turkish origin - Research”. So according to him every kurd is a turk, Even
Kurmanji kurds “ Gürmanç / Kurmanç” are Afshars . There’s even some Kurd tribes i’ve never heard of such as “ Tatar tayfası”. Would have been nice for him to post some references.
I wonder how he would explain the big diversity of kurdish dialects or kurdish being closer to Parthian than farsi to parthian lol
10-24-2020, 11:11 AM
Halgurd

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zoro

That’s pretty wild. The title to his page “ Türk kökənli kürd tayfaları – Araşdırma” translates “Kurdish tribes of Turkish origin - Research”. So according to him every kurd is a turk, Even
Kurmanji kurds “ Gürmanç / Kurmanç” are Afshars . There’s even some Kurd tribes i’ve never heard of such as “ Tatar tayfası”. Would have been nice for him to post some references.
I wonder how he would explain the big diversity of kurdish dialects or kurdish being closer to Parthian than farsi to parthian lol

Didn't you know? Parthians were Turks. Medes were Turks too. Original Mesopotamians were Turks. Muhammad SAW was a Turk. God speaks Turkish.
10-24-2020, 11:18 AM
Halgurd

Also Sumerians are Turks
10-24-2020, 11:56 AM
Fedora

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zoro

That’s pretty wild. The title to his page “ Türk kökənli kürd tayfaları – Araşdırma” translates “Kurdish tribes of Turkish origin - Research”. So according to him every kurd is a turk, Even
Kurmanji kurds “ Gürmanç / Kurmanç” are Afshars . There’s even some Kurd tribes i’ve never heard of such as “ Tatar tayfası”. Would have been nice for him to post some references.
I wonder how he would explain the big diversity of kurdish dialects or kurdish being closer to Parthian than farsi to parthian lol

Well, the map is in your signature is made in 1998 by someone who obviously never visited those regions. They always show Adana/Osmaniye as "Lak Kurds" even though the only local tribes there are Varsak and Afshars, because a British report in the 19th century claimed that there were "Laks", where are those Laks now? The map is bullshit. Osmaniye is full of nationalist Turks, where MHP wins.
10-24-2020, 11:59 AM
Fedora

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halgurd

Also Sumerians are Turks

You fight those people from every ethnicity - meanwhile Kurdish history pages claim Ancient Greeks
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EdzLUmmW...jpg&name=small
10-24-2020, 12:18 PM
Halgurd

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fedora

Well, the map is in your signature is made in 1998 by someone who obviously never visited those regions. They always show Adana/Osmaniye as "Lak Kurds" even though the only local tribes there are Varsak and Afshars, because a British report in the 19th century claimed that there were "Laks", where are those Laks now? The map is bullshit. Osmaniye is full of nationalist Turks, where MHP wins.

Adana has some Lak Kurds. Turkish user Ashina from anthroscape claimed partly Adanali Lak ancestry.
10-24-2020, 12:20 PM
Aren

Look both Kurds and Turks have no shame, they claim everything. Now move on and keep posting Gedmatch results.
10-24-2020, 12:21 PM
Halgurd

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fedora

You fight those people from every ethnicity - meanwhile Kurdish history pages claim Ancient Greeks
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EdzLUmmW...jpg&name=small

Ali Şeriati is Iranian, not Kurd. Go fight with him.
10-24-2020, 12:37 PM
Bender1999

I am out here, i didn’t claim anything what this donkey ass addicted monkey is spreading here.
10-24-2020, 12:47 PM
Aren

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bender1999

I am out here, i didn’t claim anything what this donkey ass addicted monkey is spreading here.

Why are you so triggered? It can't be fun being this ethnocentric.
10-24-2020, 01:12 PM
Fedora

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halgurd

Adana has some Lak Kurds. Turkish user Ashina from anthroscape claimed partly Adanali Lak ancestry.

But there is no village who is Lak and speaks the language - maybe some settled there but it doesn't make the region "Lak Kurds". The region was armenian-turkish mixed, especially areas like Kozan. Also Dortyol is shown as "Canpolat" again no village with such tribe exists in the region. It's made up for justifieing such maps. Notice how there is always dot in Hatay/Dortyol shown as kurdish majority (which is not true at all)

https://www.edmaps.com/assets/images..._territory.png
Imagine showing this region as kurdish.
http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/de/map/...7.2932/36.4581
10-24-2020, 02:16 PM
Kyp

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fedora

You fight those people from every ethnicity - meanwhile Kurdish history pages claim Ancient Greeks
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EdzLUmmW...jpg&name=small

I also read once that all Afshars and tribes listed as "Turkmen" in Anatolia were in fact Kurdish.

So I guess the ignorance goes both ways

I don't want to dismiss all these theories right away, but thankfully a lot of them are not accepted by the mainstream academia.
10-24-2020, 02:28 PM
Halgurd

Moving on. I've found an interesting sample titled Sakrat Palu. Sakrat was originally an Armenian village in Palu (Elazig) but now is mostly Kurd.

Gedrosia 22.59 Pct
Siberian 0.39 Pct
Northwest_African 1.85 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.83 Pct
Atlantic_Med 11.44 Pct
North_European 3.34 Pct
South_Asian 0.50 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 14.98 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 44.03 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Target: sakratpalu
Distance: 3.4470% / 3.44703960 | ADC: 1x
55.6 Zaza
44.4 Azeri_Jew

Although he is Kurd like, the sample deviates from the Kurdish average. It has low South Asian, low North European and high Caucasus.
10-24-2020, 02:41 PM
Kyp

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halgurd

Moving on. I've found an interesting sample titled Sakrat Palu. Sakrat was originally an Armenian village in Palu (Elazig) but now is mostly Kurd.

Gedrosia 22.59 Pct
Siberian 0.39 Pct
Northwest_African 1.85 Pct
Southeast_Asian 0.83 Pct
Atlantic_Med 11.44 Pct
North_European 3.34 Pct
South_Asian 0.50 Pct
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 14.98 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 44.03 Pct
Sub_Saharan -

Target: sakratpalu
Distance: 3.4470% / 3.44703960 | ADC: 1x
55.6 Zaza
44.4 Azeri_Jew

Although he is Kurd like, the sample deviates from the Kurdish average. It has low South Asian, low North European and high Caucasus.

Target: Kurd_Sakrat
Distance: 2.5852% / 2.58523432
51.2 ARMENIAN
48.8 KURDISH
10-24-2020, 03:09 PM
Halgurd

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyp

Target: Kurd_Sakrat
Distance: 2.5852% / 2.58523432
51.2 ARMENIAN
48.8 KURDISH

So this is what a half Kurd half Armenian would look like
10-24-2020, 03:36 PM
Fedora

There is a turkish village Seydilli in Palu which has been there for 200 years, wonder how they would score.
https://www.houshamadyan.org/fileadm...54428ad6e2.jpg
10-24-2020, 03:38 PM
Leto

Guys, trolling should have no place here. Just saying. 1-2 posts are okay but no more.

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