K2a, apparently not very common.
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K2a, apparently not very common.
My paternal grandmother's mtdna is H13a2. H13a2 is a subclade of H13 and H13 peaks in Dagestan.
U5a1b. Pretty rare in Greece I think.
T2
Hvr1 differences from rsrs
t16126c
a16129g
t16187c
c16189t
t16223c
g16230a
t16278c
c16294t
c16296t
t16304c
c16311t
hvr2 differences from rsrs
c146t
c152t
c195t
a247g
309.1c
309.2c
315.1c
522.1a
522.2c
J1b3b
A73G, A263G, C295T, T489C, A750G, A1438G, A2706G, G3010A, T4216C, A4769G, C7028T, G8269A, A8460G, A8860G, A10398G, A11251G, G11719A, A12612G, G13708A, C14766T, A15326G, C15452A, T15530C, C16069T, T16126C, G16145A, C16222T, A16235G, C16261T
http://abload.de/img/desktop_2013_08_27_1207ug7.png
Did you took a mtDNA test from FtDNA?Quote:
Originally Posted by MfA_
U4c1.
nope, 23andMe pride..Quote:
Originally Posted by Equilibrium
Can you link me to that tool you used? :pQuote:
Originally Posted by MfA_
K2b1a here; I don't know of many others in this subclade.
K is a brother of mtDNA U, we should both get rid of those damn neolithic invaders! (H,J,T,N)Quote:
Originally Posted by Thor2009
U4a1b2 here, absolutely no info on the internet about that subclade.
I read that T2 might be present during Upper Paleolithic. HV is paleolithic and some Cromagnons were checked for N haplogroupQuote:
Originally Posted by Artek
I know, just kidding. H was also present in Paleolithic samples in Iberia, thus absent in Germany.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solin
I don't have much info as well about mine, which is U4a1b.Quote:
Originally Posted by Armatus
Good to have another I & U combination on the forum. Btw what is your y-dna also known as, is it one of the northern groupings of I2?Quote:
Originally Posted by Armatus
http://i.imgur.com/fItbWFY.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Jackson
It's actually not even listed on the ISOGG site, but it's downstream of I2a1a-M26 (Origin: CEU probably Germany). Seems like it's a Central-Nortwestern Subclade (L1299&PF5084 are private). Pretty small group considering the huge Southwest European CTS11338 Group and the (wrong) association of M26 with Sardinia (which was clearly a founder effect there). Not a very common haplogroup in germany but probably one of the oldest hgs in germany at all.
Lol I participated in the YDNA since it was E-V13 but my mtDNA isnt European. lol Nor Caucasian.
H5-T16311C!
I doubt T2 is Upper Paleolithic. So far no mtDNA haplogroup T remains have been found in pre-Neolithic European remains. It is much more likely that most of if not all T came to Europe during and after the Neolithic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solin
K is also most likely Neolithic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Artek
It is just said that it might be present during UP, nobody said anything for sure. Probably since it has high prevalence in Baltic and other northern European countries.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaxman
What would mtdna I be? Paleolithic or Neolithic?
Unlikely but I may be proven wrong some day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solin
On what basis do you say "unlikely"? Because so far no remains were positive for T2?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaxman
Yes and quite a few have been tested from Upper Paleolithic and Mesolithic Europe so far. But like I said I could be wrong as there are still many more to test.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solin
That T2 found in the classic example of Cro-Magnon (this one: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/cromag1.jpg) was confirmed as a contamination.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaxman
Rather so, along with many H, T2, J etc. At least from what we know for today.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaxman
On the other hand we have remains from Mesolithic site at Uznyi Oleni Ostrov and 1 of 5 samples was H, 3 of 5 were U and the remaining one was C. We have also one T2b from so called Pitted Ware while rest was mostly U4 and one T* from Bolshoy Oleni Ostrov.
Still, U dominates almost everywhere. We need more samples anyway.
Haplogroup H1
http://thecampblogbymike.files.wordp...-h-1-and-2.jpg
Same as Atlantic Islander :D
Yes that is correct the so called ''Cro-Magnon 1'' T2 result was confirmed to actually have been much younger than was thought. I believe their sample came forma finger bone that was dated to only the Middle Ages. So no T2 there for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Artek
The T2 sample from the PWC (Pitted Ware Culture) most likely came from admixture with TRB Neolithic farmers in Sweden as well as the later T sample found at Bolshoy probably came from admixture with farmers. I have been in contact with a few people who are well respected withing the genetic genealogy community and they even think it may be possible that the older H and J samples from Oleni Ostrov may have come from older contacts with Neolithic farmers further south. I find this a little harder to believe though.
Yes we do need more samples indeed.
It will be interesting to see the mtDNA results of larger numbers of Upper Paleolithic and Mesolithic Iberian and Italian remains once they have been properly tested. I have a feeling that a good amount of H will show up among Iberian remains. When it comes to Italy I believe so far there has only been one really reliable sample from Upper Paleolithic Italy tested and it is U5b2b1 from remains in Continenza. The Paglicci samples are rather uncertain I am afraid.
Is mtdna U connected to prehistoric hunter/gatherers in Europe?
I expected an H but more H1 or H3 and I end up with H7.
Only some mtdna U clades and subclades. There were other non-U mtdna too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Libertas
Well about 80% of lineages in Europe from the period that have been found in aDNA are U5 & U4 if i remember correctly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Libertas
Nobody ever talks about mtdna I. :cry
mtdna I was found in Irong Age "Denmark" :patpat:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kazimiera
The U2, U4 and U5 subclades of U certainly are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Libertas
An 8 word answer. Not even a paragraph! :fhmm:Quote:
Originally Posted by Artek
And no lengthy discussion either. I see now how important (or not) we are in the bigger scheme of things. :tsk:
Well to be honest I think it is simply because there has not been much research done on your haplogroup. Also not much has been found in any ancient remains yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kazimiera
Precisely! We aren't important. And there aren't enough of us for anyone else to care! :cryQuote:
Originally Posted by Jaxman
Cheer up buttercup lol!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kazimiera