Indigenous Balkan I2a1 in southern Albania

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Originally Posted by Herr Abubu

Y-DNA is something you inherit no matter what from your father. If your father was from China with a typical Chinese Y-DNA marker 2k years ago, you'd still have it. It's useful for looking at migrations of populations with different Y-DNA distributions, but not at all useful on an individual basis or between populations with similar Y-DNA distributions. I2a and R1a are undoubtedly not native to the Balkans before the Slavic migrations, we know that anyone who has either of those haplogroups in the Balkans has paternally Slavic ancestry if you look far back enough. We can't tell what affects this has had on appearance after hundreds, maybe more than a thousand, years of mixing.

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How much MENA ancestry tosk Albanians score??

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Originally Posted by Ujku

How much MENA ancestry tosk Albanians score??

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Probably 0% like us Ghegs

Couldn't find any sources though on Tosk autosomal results

Autosomally i would guess tosks are more acient balkans than us ghegs in general.

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Originally Posted by Drawing-slim

Autosomally i would guess tosks are more acient balkans than us ghegs in general.

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How?

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Originally Posted by Xhak Bauër

Europe since the Meso/Neolithic is a result of R1, J and E males raping/taking U-women(the wives of I carriers)

Y-dna carriers can't be "mummy", you are misinformed.

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MtDNA U is comparatively low in Europe compared to immigrant haplogroups, like H.
I men decreased in numbers more because they couldn't afford large population size with their lifestyle, plus they probably died from animal-transmitted diseases IE and Neolithic farmers brought, much like Amerindians when Europeans came.
Don't start discussion on superiority, for as far as we know, aboriginal Europeans win that title in every regard. It's just that quantity beats quality very often.

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Originally Posted by Kelmendasi

Probably 0% like us Ghegs

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Well , that's what counts.

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Originally Posted by cosmoo

MtDNA U is comparatively low in Europe compared to immigrant haplogroups, like H.
I men decreased in numbers more because they couldn't afford large population size with their lifestyle, plus they probably died from animal-transmitted diseases IE and Neolithic farmers brought, much like Amerindians when Europeans came.
Don't start discussion on superiority, for as far as we know, aboriginal Europeans win that title in every regard. It's just that quantity beats quality very often.

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R-carriers so far have proven to be the most successful historically, especially the Indo-Europeans no doubt.

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Originally Posted by Kelmendasi

How?

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Because tosks are not tribal and never went to far way from their village to get a wife while ghegs always had to ship in women from across region and beyond borders too. Like skenderbeg's mother for example. Even today, amongst ghegs there are more "foreign" wives in comparison to tosks.

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Originally Posted by Xhak Bauër

R-carriers so far have proven to be the most successful historically, especially the Indo-Europeans no doubt.

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As I've already said, taking sparsely-populated area by sheer numerosity and with help of diseases is certainly not very impressive.