Iranian GEDmatch kits

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Originally Posted by Babak

There is no difference. Iranians are aryans.

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Wot? They don't seem to be fully Indo-European nor pure proto-Indo-Iranian

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Originally Posted by SharpFork

Wot? They don't seem to be fully Indo-European nor pure proto-Indo-Iranian

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Who cares lmao.

Philologist J.P. Mallory argues that "As an ethnic designation, the word [Aryan] is most properly limited to the Indo-Iranians, and most justly to the latter where it still gives its name to the country Iran.[4]

Scholars point out that, even in ancient times, the idea of being an "Aryan" was religious, cultural and linguistic, not racial.[9][10][11]

Any Gilak GEDmatch results?

Gilak Y-DNA distribution based on 64 samples from the Gilan province (simplified by me)

E1b 3.2%
G1 1.6%
G2 14.1%
H 1.6%
I1 1.6%
J1 12.5%
J2 23.5%
L 4.8%
Q 1.6%
R1* 3.1%
R1a 9.4%
R1b 20.4%
R2 3.1%

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3399854/

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Originally Posted by Leto

Any Gilak GEDmatch results?

Gilak Y-DNA distribution based on 64 samples from the Gilan province (simplified by me)

E1b 3.2%
G1 1.6%
G2 14.1%
H 1.6%
I1 1.6%
J1 12.5%
J2 23.5%
L 4.8%
Q 1.6%
R1* 3.1%
R1a 9.4%
R1b 20.4%
R2 3.1%

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3399854/

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82% of the population are the following:

R1b, R1a, (20.4% + 9.4% = 29.8%)

J2, J1 (23.5%+12.5% = 36.0%)

G2, G1 (14.1% + 1.6% = 15.7%)

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Originally Posted by Kyp Snow

There is a strong West to East difference in Iran it seems. Stronger than I had previously believed at least.

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Central Iran has a desert that divides the country (east and west ). Zagros mountains are the wall that separates Iran from the Arab world.

https://www.freeworldmaps.net/asia/iran/iran-map.jpg

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Originally Posted by hussein khan

Mashdad iranian:


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Gedrosia 29.91
2 Caucasus 29.02
3 North_European 10.78
4 Southwest_Asian 9.12
5 South_Asian 9.07
6 Atlantic_Med 6.44
7 East_Asian 3.78
8 Siberian 0.74
9 Sub_Saharan 0.69
10 East_African 0.22
11 Southeast_Asian 0.12
12 Northwest_African 0.12

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 9.07
2 Iranians (Behar) 11.94
3 Iranian (Dodecad) 13.12
4 Kurd (Dodecad) 14.63
5 Kurds (Yunusbayev) 15.93
6 Tajiks (Yunusbayev) 15.93
7 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 21.77
8 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 22.16
9 Turks (Behar) 22.32
10 Lezgins (Behar) 23.42
11 Turkish (Dodecad) 23.97
12 Pathan (HGDP) 25.83
13 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 26.86
14 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 27.6
15 Chechens (Yunusbayev) 27.77
16 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 27.88
17 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 27.95
18 Lebanese (Behar) 28.11
19 Assyrian (Dodecad) 28.29
20 Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) 28.84

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 57.3% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) + 42.7% Burusho (HGDP) @ 4.6
2 53.8% Turks (Behar) + 46.2% Pathan (HGDP) @ 4.64
3 65.3% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 34.7% Burusho (HGDP) @ 4.84
4 52% Turkish (Dodecad) + 48% Pathan (HGDP) @ 5.05
5 58.3% Iranians (Behar) + 41.7% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 5.07
6 50.9% Georgia_Jews (Behar) + 49.1% Burusho (HGDP) @ 5.24
7 67.5% Kurd (Dodecad) + 32.5% Burusho (HGDP) @ 5.25
8 62.7% Turks (Behar) + 37.3% Sindhi (HGDP) @ 5.36
9 56.8% Turks (Behar) + 43.2% Burusho (HGDP) @ 5.45
10 60.9% Turks (Behar) + 39.1% Jatt (Dodecad) @ 5.49
11 70.4% Iranian (Dodecad) + 29.6% Burusho (HGDP) @ 5.5
12 71.4% Kurd (Dodecad) + 28.6% Jatt (Dodecad) @ 5.66
13 75.6% Kurd (Dodecad) + 24.4% Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh (Metspalu) @ 5.67
14 55.7% Iranian (Dodecad) + 44.3% Tajiks (Yunusbayev) @ 5.69
15 50.6% Assyrian (Dodecad) + 49.4% Burusho (HGDP) @ 5.72
16 69.4% Kurds (Yunusbayev) + 30.6% Jatt (Dodecad) @ 5.8
17 54.5% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) + 45.5% Pathan (HGDP) @ 5.86
18 50.7% Burusho (HGDP) + 49.3% Armenian (Dodecad) @ 5.88
19 54.9% Turkish (Dodecad) + 45.1% Burusho (HGDP) @ 5.96
20 51.2% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) + 48.8% Burusho (HGDP) @ 5.96

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what is the ethnicity of this person? He or she seems to have some central Asian ancestry.

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Originally Posted by SharpFork

I'm not an expert, of what nature is this difference?

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Geography, there are two deserts in the middle of the country. Iranians are mountain people. Low lands are mostly inhabitable. The only place that is low land and populated is Southern Khuzestan.

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Originally Posted by Kyp Snow

There is a strong West to East difference in Iran it seems. Stronger than I had previously believed at least.

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East Iran is sparsely populated. The only area that is heavily populated is NE Iran ( Mashhad, Nishapour, etc), and this population connects Iran to Central Asia and Afghanistan. There are couple of secondary population centers in the east inhabited by Bloachis and Sitanis ( Zabolis)

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Originally Posted by Kyp Snow

Don't know to be honest. That's a question for the Iranian members here..
Persians are said to be derived from the Medes aswell. Probably Median + Elamite.
Also Azeris still have a lot of Iranic ancestry. And we still have other Northwestern Iranian groups like the Talysh,Tats or Gilakis.

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Persians and Persian language are from SW Iran and it expanded north towards Ray ( Tehran and North East towards Mashhad and Nishapur and later on towards Herat, Balkh, Samarkand, Bukhara, etc through the process of elite dominance mainly. I suspect Medes and Azeri are probably closely linked but also Persians from Ray, Ecbatana ( ie Tehran and Hamadan ).

Hamadan of today is populated by Persians (75%) and Azeris (25%).

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Originally Posted by Negah

Persian and Persian languages are from SW Iran and it expanded north towards Ray ( Tehran and North East towards Mashhad and Nishapur and later on towards Herat, Balkh, Samarkand, Bukhara, etc through the process of elite dominance mainly. I suspect Medes and Azeri are probably closely linked but also Persians from Ray, Ecbatana ( ie Tehran and Hamadan ).

Hamadan of today is populated by Persians (75%) and Azeris (25%).

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yep, that's what I was thinking