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Originally Posted by Leto

Before Lucas has added it, I'm posting an upgraded average (+10 samples, courtesy of vbnetkhio)

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Czech,5.06,0.50,0.39,0.21,29.22,49.34,0.57,0.03,1.98,0.06,12.58,0.07

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Distance: 1.1508% / 1.15075208
Target: Czech | ADC: 0.5x RC
69.7 Slovak
20.1 Dutch_Central
10.2 Slovenian

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Albanian for Dodecad (n = 10, again courtesy of vbnet)

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Albanian,4.88,0.29,1.26,0.06,28.96,23.97,0.21,0,8.54,0.29,31.43,0.12

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Albanian_North should be deleted, it's based on four samples only (I know the source).

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Originally Posted by Lucas

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Thanks. This little thing too (it was in a message of mine)

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Danish,8.05,0.21,0.12,0.12,35.84,49.66,0.34,0.02,0.25,0.02,5.38,0

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Originally Posted by Leto

Thanks. This little thing too (it was in a message of mine)

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Danish,8.05,0.21,0.12,0.12,35.84,49.66,0.34,0.02,0.25,0.02,5.38,0

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Originally Posted by Lucas

done

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could you remove all Bosniak averages except Sarajevo and Sandzak, and rename "Bosniak_Sarajevo" to just "Bosniak".

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

could you remove all Bosniak averages except Sarajevo and Sandzak, and rename "Bosniak_Sarajevo" to just "Bosniak".

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Hey, is anything wrong with Bosniak averages you made?

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Originally Posted by Stearsolina

Hey, is anything wrong with Bosniak averages you made?

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yes. too little samples, and some were placed there based on incomplete family trees.

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

yes. too little samples, and some were placed there based on incomplete family trees.

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Than removing them makes sense.

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

could you remove all Bosniak averages except Sarajevo and Sandzak, and rename "Bosniak_Sarajevo" to just "Bosniak".

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OK

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Originally Posted by Lucas

OK

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could you replace the Albanian averages with these:

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Albanian_Gheg,21.88,18.15,21.86,11.23,22.94,2.61,0.19,0.24,0.26,0.19,0.26,0.16,0.02
Albanian_Tosk,21.32,16.38,21.46,10.93,25.63,2.55,0.09,0.34,0.31,0.46,0.14,0.16,0.22
Albanian,21.69,17.54,21.72,11.13,23.86,2.59,0.16,0.28,0.28,0.28,0.22,0.16,0.09

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

could you replace the Albanian averages with these:

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Albanian_Gheg,21.88,18.15,21.86,11.23,22.94,2.61,0.19,0.24,0.26,0.19,0.26,0.16,0.02
Albanian_Tosk,21.32,16.38,21.46,10.93,25.63,2.55,0.09,0.34,0.31,0.46,0.14,0.16,0.22
Albanian,21.69,17.54,21.72,11.13,23.86,2.59,0.16,0.28,0.28,0.28,0.22,0.16,0.09

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The number of Pomak and Macedonian averages should be reduced as well. 10 references for a nation of 1.2 million (Pomaks are even fewer than that) is clearly too much.

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Originally Posted by Leto

The number of Pomak and Macedonian averages should be reduced as well. 10 references for a nation of 1.2 million (Pomaks are even fewer than that) is clearly too much.

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Do Pomaks differ from Bulgarians genetically?

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Originally Posted by Leto

The number of Pomak and Macedonian averages should be reduced as well. 10 references for a nation of 1.2 million (Pomaks are even fewer than that) is clearly too much.

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For me yes. Maybe northern and southern Pomaks and southern and northern Macedonians.

On PCA left should on the right ofc.

https://i.imgur.com/fhEIuWz.png

Afrikaner K13 average from 25 kits

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Afrikaner,44.03,22.73,14.01,5.12,6.22,0.79,2.40,0.92,0.44,0.50,0.58,0.44,1.76

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Distance to: Afrikaner
3.03654409 Dutch_South
3.38570524 German_West
5.10584959 FRA_Belgica
5.55844403 FRA_Armorica
5.57895151 German
6.00762016 English_Southeast
6.18237010 Pennsylvania_Dutch
6.21734670 Dutch
6.30734492 FRA_Alsace
6.45253439 English_Midlands
6.83021230 English
7.05302772 Dutch_Central
7.06184820 Swiss_German2
7.12157988 English_Southwest
7.41729061 Swiss_German
7.56668355 North_German
7.60935608 English_North
7.95089932 Welsh
8.03496733 Dutch_North
8.80783174 Orcadian
9.23218826 FRA_Central
9.30069890 Scottish
9.38126857 Irish_Leinster
10.22323334 Irish
10.50131420 Irish_Munster

Distance: 0.6708% / 0.67079657
Target: Afrikaner | ADC: 0.25x RC
72.8 Dutch_South
21.9 German_West
2.2 Austroasiatic_Ho
1.8 Pennsylvania_Dutch
1.3 Yoruban

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

could you replace the Albanian averages with these:

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Albanian_Gheg,21.88,18.15,21.86,11.23,22.94,2.61,0.19,0.24,0.26,0.19,0.26,0.16,0.02
Albanian_Tosk,21.32,16.38,21.46,10.93,25.63,2.55,0.09,0.34,0.31,0.46,0.14,0.16,0.22
Albanian,21.69,17.54,21.72,11.13,23.86,2.59,0.16,0.28,0.28,0.28,0.22,0.16,0.09

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Originally Posted by Abriekman

Do Pomaks differ from Bulgarians genetically?

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Perhaps there are some slight differences. Like distant Turkish or something like that.

Well I get crazy high Pomak on K13

Distance: 0.5259% / 0.52593663
Target: Sarakatsani
16.6 Pomak_Central-Macedonia
16.2 Greek_West
13.5 IT_Marche
11.3 Greek_Istanbul
10.9 Greek_Thessaly
9.5 Greek_Peloponnese
8.4 IT_Aosta_Valley
6.7 Swiss_Italian
5.6 Greek_West_Macedonia

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Originally Posted by Leto

Perhaps there are some slight differences. Like distant Turkish or something like that.

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very similar, Pomaks have no Turkish.

Distance: 1.0041% / 1.00414176
Target: Bulgarian

57.5 Vlach
41.4 Slavic
1.1 Alan

Distance: 2.7816% / 2.78157197
Target: Pomak

58.4 Vlach
37.0 Slavic
4.6 Alan

For Dodecadk12b:

n=3

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Tsakhur_Azerbaijan,23.03,2.16,0,0,5.39,18.84,0.91,0,5.47,2.22,41.97,0

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsakhur_people

The Eurogenes "classic" Estonian_Polish (+ 4 more samples from a later study, 15 in total) for Dodecad K12b

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Estonian_Polish,4.09,1.78,0,0.37,21.77,59.19,0.48,0,0.96,0.44,10.88,0

Distance to: Estonian_Polish
1.05451411 Russian_Smolensk
1.69088734 Belorussian
2.01727539 Southwest_Russian
2.31793011 Russian_Tver
2.51590938 PL_Mazovia
3.00074991 Russian_Kursk
3.03394133 Russian_Oryol
3.29893922 Russian_Voronezh
4.32641884 Russian_Ryazan
4.41964931 Russian_Pskov
4.64541710 Polish_mixed
4.70874718 Ukrainian
5.89124775 PL_Warmia-Masuria
6.33490331 Russian_Kostroma
7.13843120 Estonian
7.58333040 Sorb_Lusatia
8.20147548 Russian_North_Dvina
8.21881378 Lithuanian
10.03578597 Russian_Ural
10.58129482 Slovak

Distance: 0.4149% / 0.41491652
Target: Estonian_Polish | ADC: 0.25x RC
69.8 Russian_Smolensk
25.0 Russian_Tver
2.9 Finnish_West
2.3 Swedish

Distance: 0.4883% / 0.48832030
Target: Estonian_Polish | ADC: 0.5x RC
80.7 Russian_Smolensk
14.3 Russian_Tver
5.0 Finnish_West

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Originally Posted by Creoda

Afrikaner K13 average from 25 kits

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Kinda low non-Caucasoid, maybe except for the South Asian. The actual "Afrikan" part is minimal.

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Originally Posted by Leto

Kinda low non-Caucasoid, maybe except for the South Asian. The actual "Afrikan" part is minimal.

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Not all Afrikaners have SSA it seems, but most do. They're not entirely descended from the early bottleneck population of the 1600s that mixed with Blacks/Indians, they also have later European input from the 1700s and since.

Does somebody have samples from Podolia region? Just any, Polish or Ukrainian

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Originally Posted by Leto

The Eurogenes "classic" Estonian_Polish (+ 4 more samples from a later study, 15 in total) for Dodecad K12b

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Estonian_Polish,4.09,1.78,0,0.37,21.77,59.19,0.48,0,0.96,0.44,10.88,0

Distance to: Estonian_Polish
1.05451411 Russian_Smolensk
1.69088734 Belorussian
2.01727539 Southwest_Russian
2.31793011 Russian_Tver
2.51590938 PL_Mazovia
3.00074991 Russian_Kursk
3.03394133 Russian_Oryol
3.29893922 Russian_Voronezh
4.32641884 Russian_Ryazan
4.41964931 Russian_Pskov
4.64541710 Polish_mixed
4.70874718 Ukrainian
5.89124775 PL_Warmia-Masuria
6.33490331 Russian_Kostroma
7.13843120 Estonian
7.58333040 Sorb_Lusatia
8.20147548 Russian_North_Dvina
8.21881378 Lithuanian
10.03578597 Russian_Ural
10.58129482 Slovak

Distance: 0.4149% / 0.41491652
Target: Estonian_Polish | ADC: 0.25x RC
69.8 Russian_Smolensk
25.0 Russian_Tver
2.9 Finnish_West
2.3 Swedish

Distance: 0.4883% / 0.48832030
Target: Estonian_Polish | ADC: 0.5x RC
80.7 Russian_Smolensk
14.3 Russian_Tver
5.0 Finnish_West

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I don't like this reference and don't want to add. It is based on just few mixed Poles from Estonia, probably settled there in Soviet times only and mixed with locals. Not a proper ref at all.

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Originally Posted by Kyp

For Dodecadk12b:

n=3

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Tsakhur_Azerbaijan,23.03,2.16,0,0,5.39,18.84,0.91,0,5.47,2.22,41.97,0

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsakhur_people

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Originally Posted by Lucas

I don't like this reference and don't want to add. It is based on just few mixed Poles from Estonia, probably settled there in Soviet times only and mixed with locals. Not a proper ref at all.

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Well, you may not want to add it but it's very close to my father, the distance is like 1.53. Out of 15 samples one is 7+ percent Siberian, another one is 4+ percent, the rest are 0-2%.

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Originally Posted by Abriekman

Does somebody have samples from Podolia region? Just any, Polish or Ukrainian

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Khmelnitsky and Vinnitsa? Don't remember any confirmed full kits from there.

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Originally Posted by Leto

Well, you may not want to add it but it's very close to my father, the distance is like 1.53. Out of 15 samples one is 7+ percent Siberian, another one is 4+ percent, the rest are 0-2%.

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But it not autochtonous Polish community. Poles live SE Latvia since centuries and I'm sure they are just like Lithuania Poles, without any significant Siberian.
No one ever heard about long-established Polish minority in Estonia. Some workers arrived in inter-war period from Poland. Then in Soviet times some miners from former Kresy arrived too. But they aren't native minority and genetic population in valid sense. And it is just about 1500-2000 people dispersed all over the country.
https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polacy_w_Estonii

It is like creating Russian reference from Russians living in Poland. https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosjanie_w_Polsce But in such case it would be even valid in case of Starover community from Augustów. No such thing in Estonia for Poles.

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Originally Posted by Lucas

But it not autochtonous Polish community. Poles live SE Latvia since centuries and I'm sure they are just like Lithuania Poles, without any significant Siberian.
No one ever heard about long-established Polish minority in Estonia. Some workers arrfived in inter-war period from Poland. Then in Soviet times some miners from former Kresy arrvied too. But they aren't native minority and genetic population in valid sense. And it is just about 2000 people dispersed all over country.
https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polacy_w_Estonii

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I agree, Dawid (being Polish himself) should have added LT or LV Polish instead.

Since you're here, please delete Cossack_Kuban from K13. 2 samples is a joke. We've discussed it recently in another thread, it's pretty much crap IMO.

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Originally Posted by Leto

I agree, Dawid (being Polish himself) should have added LT or LV Polish instead.

Since you're here, please delete Cossack_Kuban from K13. 2 samples is a joke. We've discussed it recently in another thread, it's pretty much crap IMO.

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yes it is, ok

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Originally Posted by Lucas

It is like creating Russian reference from Russians living in Poland. https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosjanie_w_Polsce But in such case it would be even valid in case of Starover community from Augustów. No such thing in Estonia for Poles.

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Well, even Russians in Estonia or Latvia are mostly (not all) recent migrants and their children (post WW2). My uncle lives in Estonia for ex, his son was even born there (mother is Russian).

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Originally Posted by Leto

Khmelnitsky and Vinnitsa? Don't remember any confirmed full kits from there.

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Ok, maybe from Lublin or Volhynia do you have some?

Added to Dodecad K12b

Someone posted on FB.

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I made averages from what i have found at Gedmatch .Verified by the sample owners.

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Greek_Fournoi,7.48,0,3.19,0,23.67,13.76,0.26,0,13.04,0.99,37.59,0
Greek_Icaria,5.33,0.76,1.77,0.25,25.46,10.78,0.77,0,13.57,0.11,41.15,0.04
Greek_Lemnos,8.61,0.03,2.25,0,24.94,17.12,0.93,0.09,11.15,0.91,34.30,0
Greek_Rhodes,8.41,0.16,2.72,0.36,23.32,9.44,0.16,0.12,14.41,0.1,40.77,0

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Originally Posted by Creoda

Afrikaner K13 average from 25 kits

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Afrikaner,44.03,22.73,14.01,5.12,6.22,0.79,2.40,0.92,0.44,0.50,0.58,0.44,1.76

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Distance to: Afrikaner
3.03654409 Dutch_South
3.38570524 German_West
5.10584959 FRA_Belgica
5.55844403 FRA_Armorica
5.57895151 German
6.00762016 English_Southeast
6.18237010 Pennsylvania_Dutch
6.21734670 Dutch
6.30734492 FRA_Alsace
6.45253439 English_Midlands
6.83021230 English
7.05302772 Dutch_Central
7.06184820 Swiss_German2
7.12157988 English_Southwest
7.41729061 Swiss_German
7.56668355 North_German
7.60935608 English_North
7.95089932 Welsh
8.03496733 Dutch_North
8.80783174 Orcadian
9.23218826 FRA_Central
9.30069890 Scottish
9.38126857 Irish_Leinster
10.22323334 Irish
10.50131420 Irish_Munster

Distance: 0.6708% / 0.67079657
Target: Afrikaner | ADC: 0.25x RC
72.8 Dutch_South
21.9 German_West
2.2 Austroasiatic_Ho
1.8 Pennsylvania_Dutch
1.3 Yoruban

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Originally Posted by Lucas

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Hi @Lucas

Please add these Nepalese averages of various castes and ethnicities in the Harappaworld since those originally ran by Zack has mixed various ethnicities and named them Nepalese-a,b,c which is quite misleading.

Nepali_Khas_Brahmin 35 kits
Nepali_Khas_Kshatriya 9 kits
Nepali_Newar_Shrestha 5 kits
Nepali_Gurung 3 kits
Nepali_Kirant_Rai 3 kits

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For Harappaworld

Nepali_Khas_Brahmin,34.49,33.72,8.17,12.58,0.65,1.42,4.04,0.56,1.26,0.96,1.64,0.32,0.09,0.04,0.01,0.04
Nepali_Khas_Kshatriya,32.93,26.60,5.03,8.17,1.50,3.51,18.69,0.60,1.02,0.73,0.77,0.37,0.03,0.00,0.02,0.01
Nepali_Newar_Shrestha,28.60,16.96,1.45,2.88,2.58,5.73,37.85,1.19,0.90,0.25,1.07,0.20,0.02,0.00,0.32,0.00
Nepali_Gurung,14.41,3.31,0.26,0.06,5.05,9.48,63.37,1.81,0.63,1.05,0.23,0.00,0.26,0.08,0.00,0.01
Nepali_Kirant_Rai,8.65,0.30,0.18,0.00,4.53,10.20,73.25,1.14,0.96,0.11,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.34,0.32

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For Dodecad k12b

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Tibetan,1.97,12.01,0.21,14.82,0,0.6,6.7,0.16,0.03,62.8,0,0.7
Lipka_Tatar,9.16,10.71,0.13,1.71,14.76,31.86,1.03,0,2.18,12.9,15.43,0.12

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For Dodecad k12b

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Tibetan,1.97,12.01,0.21,14.82,0,0.6,6.7,0.16,0.03,62.8,0,0.7
Lipka_Tatar,9.16,10.71,0.13,1.71,14.76,31.86,1.03,0,2.18,12.9,15.43,0.12

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Originally Posted by Kaazi

Hi @Lucas

Please add these Nepalese averages of various castes and ethnicities in the Harappaworld since those originally ran by Zack has mixed various ethnicities and named them Nepalese-a,b,c which is quite misleading.

Nepali_Khas_Brahmin 35 kits
Nepali_Khas_Kshatriya 9 kits
Nepali_Newar_Shrestha 5 kits
Nepali_Gurung 3 kits
Nepali_Kirant_Rai 3 kits

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For Harappaworld

Nepali_Khas_Brahmin,34.49,33.72,8.17,12.58,0.65,1.42,4.04,0.56,1.26,0.96,1.64,0.32,0.09,0.04,0.01,0.04
Nepali_Khas_Kshatriya,32.93,26.60,5.03,8.17,1.50,3.51,18.69,0.60,1.02,0.73,0.77,0.37,0.03,0.00,0.02,0.01
Nepali_Newar_Shrestha,28.60,16.96,1.45,2.88,2.58,5.73,37.85,1.19,0.90,0.25,1.07,0.20,0.02,0.00,0.32,0.00
Nepali_Gurung,14.41,3.31,0.26,0.06,5.05,9.48,63.37,1.81,0.63,1.05,0.23,0.00,0.26,0.08,0.00,0.01
Nepali_Kirant_Rai,8.65,0.30,0.18,0.00,4.53,10.20,73.25,1.14,0.96,0.11,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.34,0.32

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Ok removed a, b, c and added this.

For Eurogenes K13

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Pamiri_Tajikistan,13.48,15.13,0,37.53,3.65,0.14,19.84,1.37,4.92,3.14,0.23,0.06,0.53

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Originally Posted by Abriekman

Ok, maybe from Lublin or Volhynia do you have some?

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Lublin is Poland, I've never seen any. As for Volhynia, only a few academic ones. I mean there are plenty of Polish and Ukrainian users on GEDmatch but whether they are specifically from those places is unknown.

We have new Croatian K13 averages! Lucas please replace old one with them :) (they are made by Moro with help of other regulars from south Slavic genetic threads)

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Croat_South,26.36,31.83,15.92,8.38,13.60,1.47,0.50 ,0.28,0.56,0.47,0.37,0.12,0.11
Croat_West,28.53,31.60,15.24,7.61,13.31,1.38,0.61, 0.38,0.36,0.38,0.40,0.13,0.07
Croat_East,26.84,34.60,14.13,8.26,12.31,1.43,0.22, 0.12,1.08,0.68,0.30,0.01,0.01
Croat_North,30.06,34.35,14.42,7.05,10.10,1.33,0.54 ,0.31,0.52,0.61,0.40,0.16,0.14
Croat,28.10,33.15,15.02,7.76,12.05,1.40,0.49,0.28, 0.59,0.54,0.38,0.12,0.10

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