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So why the heck did you research your family tree back to the 1500s, if you don't care about your ethnicity even before 1850?! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by rothaer
I mean you told me about your ancestors from the 1500s and 1600s.
If anything before 1950 (or 1900?) does not matter, then what's the purpose of searching for ancestors as far back as possible?
Around 1800 doesn't seem like a distant past to me.
Do you think an ancestry researcher that is researching 500 years back in an English county f. i. does this to find out his own ethnicity?Quote:
Originally Posted by Piotraschke
98% of all people in Europe know their ethnicity without any research. They can just ask their family or even their neighbors.
I think you don't know what ethnicity is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_group
You seem to confuse the ethnicity of an individual with the ethnicity of it's ancestors. Albeit there is a connection, it's not the same. You can have 100 different ethnicities among your ancestors, but you can not have 100 different ethnicities yourself. Maybe that helps.
I know the difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by rothaer
But if I made a shocking discovery that 200 years ago all of my ancestors living at that time were Ukrainians, I would never use my DNA as a reference for ethnic Poles. While you have no problem with using Germans whose ancestors "recently converted from Slavs to Germans" as ethnic German references...
And if I had 100 different ethnicities among ancestors, I would be too mixed to be used as a reference.
(unless most of other Poles would also have 100 different ethnicities - in such case I would be typical)
It's a pity you don't. You reek of insecurity and uncurable inferiority complex.Quote:
Originally Posted by Piotraschke
Except no one is using Hinterpommern samples as German references, only as Hinterpommern German references. There is a clear difference. Whether or not they were ethnic Slavs 200 years ago, they consider themselves Germans now and have done so for the last 200 years. They are literally ethnic Germans from Hinterpommern, just as Volga Germans would still be Volga Germans even if they had absorbed Russian blood and Anglo-Americans are Anglo-Americans, even with a sizable quantum of German ancestry. So it is fair, even proper, to use them as ethnic German references. Whether or not they are proper Germans is another discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Piotraschke
This man lives in Norddeutschland. The two kits yield almost the same results.
Ancestry
North_Atlantic 39.23 Pct
Baltic 36.39 Pct
West_Med 11.04 Pct
West_Asian 4.61 Pct
East_Med 6.34 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 0.42 Pct
East_Asian 0.28 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 1.12 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.45 Pct
Sub-Saharan 0.1 Pct
SNPs used in this evaluation: 171910.
MyHeritage
North_Atlantic 40.07 Pct
Baltic 36.16 Pct
West_Med 9.92 Pct
West_Asian 4.3 Pct
East_Med 6.26 Pct
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 1.53 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian 1.04 Pct
Oceanian -
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.69 Pct
SNPs used in this evaluation: 77773.
NW German entirely from lower Saxony. Mostly, but not fully from East Frisia (a quarter is from elsewhere in the state)
North_Atlantic 50.19 Pct
Baltic 28.38 Pct
West_Med 9.64 Pct
West_Asian 8.32 Pct
East_Med -
Red_Sea 0.1 Pct
South_Asian 1.21 Pct
East_Asian -
Siberian 0.15 Pct
Amerindian 0.4 Pct
Oceanian 0.59 Pct
Northeast_African 1.01 Pct
Sub-Saharan -
Distance to:
3.34808901 German_Lower_Saxony_North
3.57477272 Icelandic
3.73978609 Norwegian
4.17355963 Danish
4.29309911 Norwegian_Southcentral
4.39514505 Swedish_Götaland
5.25413171 Swedish_West-Svealand
5.26536798 German_Westphalia
5.44091904 Dutch_North
5.46298453 Scottish_Gàidhealtachd
5.47156285 German_Lower_Saxony_South
5.96923781 German_Schleswig-Holstein
6.25932904 Swedish
6.34648722 German_Hamburg
6.47604818 Dutch_Central
6.48938364 Irish_Connacht
6.71920382 Scottish_Northeast
6.75288087 Orcadian
6.83556874 Scottish_Southwest
6.84703586 Dutch
6.93791756 Scottish
7.01330878 Irish
7.01828327 Irish_Munster
7.09064877 Scottish_East
7.23469419 Irish_Leinster
Distance: 2.5531% / 2.55313267
59.7 Norwegian
19.1 Irish_Ulster
12.1 German_Frisian
4.6 German_East_Prussia_Memelland
4.3 Dargin
0.2 Latvian
And maybe that's why geneticists do not use the category of "ethnicity", but the category of "population".Quote:
Originally Posted by Smitty
And these "Wenden und Kassuben" are not the same population as other Germans from Hinterpommern.
They are descended from 65,000 "Wenden und Kassuben" who lived in eastern Pommern in 1819 (according to Georg Hassel). Also they did not all magically start to consider themselves German 200 years ago, many of them preserved their Slavicness until the end of Hinterpommern's existence (1945).
Among these who preserved their Slavic language & identity until post-WW2 times, are Klucken villagers (see below).
And maybe that's why geneticists do not use the category of "ethnicity" but the category of "population".Quote:
Originally Posted by rothaer
"Wenden und Kassuben" from eastern parts of Pommern are clearly a distinct population of their own.
My goal when looking for kits from Stolp/Lauenburg/Butow etc. was to find such Slavic-descended people.
Of course, if people from Klucken ever decide to test (I told you about it), it will be interesting to compare.
If Klucken villagers turn out to be noticeably more Slavic-shifted, I will admit that these kits are Germans.
In such case I will discard these kits and I'll use Klucken villagers as a reference for Hinterpommern Slavs.