Gedmatch calculators on Vahaduo

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Originally Posted by Lemgrant

you have EUtest result in your signature, and you had written "Trollina" in your ethnicity or meta-ethnicity some time ago. You think I should take your insults seriously?

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I am not happy with my father being close to Serbs because he is not south shifted Croat, he is average Croat (who never got Serbs close on gedmatch)
Serbs like Dušan get hysterical when close to Croats too.

We don't like Serbs, they don't like us and we are genetically not the same. What is hard to understand?
I already made South_Croat Morlach average which is closest to proper Serbs, and have no problem with it because it's realistic.

Bosnian Serb average isn't. Serbs live all over Bosnia and if more people were added from more southernly parts they would not be so close to Croats.

Interesting that even with all these new additions to the database I'm still getting mostly the same results, with a few new entries, like Czech and Székely. Of course this test is unable to correctly find my true German ancestry, which is of Western type (at least my Danube Swabian roots were connected to West Germany, not with Austria and East Germany), but at least it finds mostly Hungarian, which I am 7/8 parts.

K13
Distance to: Dunai
3.60105540 Hungarian
4.48241007 Austrian
5.63640843 Kaykavian_Croatian
5.73868452 East_German
6.94808599 Slovenian
7.93761929 Czech
8.15456927 Csango_Gymes
8.42805413 Slovak
8.55763986 Szekely
9.94504399 Croatian
10.00323948 Croat_Split
10.28045901 Serbian_Bosnia
10.95142456 Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina
11.11678461 South_Croat_Slavic_Cluster
11.29995575 Moldavian
11.55813376 Bosnian
11.89537725 South_Croat_Morlach_Cluster
12.03761604 West_German
12.10770115 Serbian_new
13.19294129 South_Polish
13.52265876 South_Dutch
14.20422824 Romanian_South_Central_Moldova
14.28767817 Montenegrin
14.39797902 Ukrainian_Lviv
14.44320602 North_German

Target: Dunai
Distance: 0.8296% / 0.82964568 | ADC: 0.25x
49.8 Hungarian
44.6 Austrian
2.0 Oroqen
1.4 North_German
1.4 North_Swedish
0.4 Mongolian
0.4 NAN_Melanesian

Target: Dunai
Distance: 1.6896% / 1.68955473 | ADC: 0.5x
55.6 Hungarian
43.0 Austrian
1.4 Oroqen

Target: Dunai
Distance: 2.7708% / 2.77081894 | ADC: 1x
69.8 Hungarian
30.2 Austrian

K15
Distance to: Dunai
5.48811443 Hungarian
6.40308519 Austria-Burgenland
6.43275213 Kaykavian_Croatian
6.55948931 East_German
6.59875746 Czech
6.95816012 Slovenian
7.28060437 Austrian
8.37676399 Szekely
8.89500086 Slovak
9.98492364 Croatian
11.57899823 German_Bavarian
11.62819418 Moldavian
11.65716169 Serbian_Bosnia
11.73259988 Austria-Tyrol
11.74618417 Bosnian
11.94728003 Bosniak
11.97922785 Serbian
12.31175048 Romania_Ne
12.70065746 South_Polish
12.97095216 Ukrainian_Lviv
13.28372689 Romania_Nw
13.30366867 Southwest_Finnish
13.44508832 South_Dutch
13.46184237 North_German
13.89553525 South_Serbian

Target: Dunai
Distance: 2.7460% / 2.74602373 | ADC: 0.25x
30.4 Hungarian
29.2 Czech
21.4 North_German
15.4 Szekely
2.2 North_Ossetian
0.8 Oroqen
0.6 Hezhen

Target: Dunai
Distance: 3.6934% / 3.69339295 | ADC: 0.5x
45.2 Hungarian
20.4 Szekely
13.4 North_German
10.8 Czech
10.2 East_German

Target: Dunai
Distance: 4.8344% / 4.83444247 | ADC: 1x
71.4 Hungarian
16.8 Austria-Burgenland
11.8 East_German

This is lower distance than what my parents got in GEDmatch Eurogenes K13, but to get this lower distance I actually had to remove many overlapping non representative samples, and the distance is still shit, especially on my Mothers kit

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Target: Cumansky_Mother
Distance: 4.3279% / 4.32785291
73.6 Latvian
8.4 Moroccan_Jew
7.2 Algerian_Jewish
4.8 Romanian_Muntenia
2.2 Sardinian
2.0 Yoruban
1.8 Yemenite_Jewish

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Target: Cumansky_Father
Distance: 2.8752% / 2.87517833
61.2 Latvian
13.2 Romanian_Muntenia
8.0 Danish
6.0 Spanish_Valencia
4.6 Moroccan_Jew
4.0 Finnish
1.8 Lebanese_Druze
0.6 Karitiana
0.6 Norwegian

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

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where is this massive Croat influence in the Bosnian Serbs? :scratch:
btw, these are the absolutely most north-shifted Bosnian Serbs i've seen. Bosnian Serbs can get 28-29 too, probably even 27.

https://i.imgur.com/419lC5Z.png

To my knowledge the smallest distance for a Croat I've seen was on MDLP World. Some of you guys are too much obsessed with the holy K13. To me personally (my own results) it's crap.

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Originally Posted by vbnetkhio

where is this massive Croat influence in the Bosnian Serbs? :scratch:
btw, these are the absolutely most north-shifted Bosnian Serbs i've seen. Bosnian Serbs can get 28-29 too, probably even 27.

https://i.imgur.com/419lC5Z.png

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I am just answering in same manner that Romanian trolled my father.
Where is Serb influence in my dad?

He is half Croat from Hvar Island, 1/8 Central Croat, 1/8 NW Croat and 1/4 Bosniak with all surnames of his Bosniak ancestors being only found among Catholic Croats, never among Serbs.
And they have roots from western BiH.

in MDLP K16 he plots like this:

1. Croat (Croatia)
2. Croat (BiH)
3. Bosniak (BiH)
4. Serb (BiH)
5. Slovenian
6. Hungarian

And that's exactly how average Croat should plot.

I think he perfectly represent Croats because he is mix of Adriatic Croatia, Panonnian Croatia and Bosnia_Herzegovina.
And his ancestors spoke all 3 dialects of Croatian language: 50% spoke Čakavian, 25% spoke Kajkavian and 25% spoke Štokavian.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

I am just answering in same manner that Romanian trolled my father.
Where is Serb influence in my dad?

He is half Croat from Hvar Island, 1/8 Central Croat, 1/8 NW Croat and 1/4 Bosniak with all surnames of his Bosniak ancestors being only found among Catholic Croats, never among Serbs.
And they have roots from western BiH.

in MDLP K16 he plots like this:

1. Croat (Croatia)
2. Croat (BiH)
3. Bosniak (BiH)
4. Serb (BiH)
5. Slovenian
6. Hungarian

And that's exactly how average Croat should plot.

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I have never implied recent admixture, don't change my words.Just pointed out the obvious, based on how different NW croats are to southern ones, as if they belong to different ethnicities.
If your dad was not 25% NW and central croat that 4th Serb would likely be first.

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Originally Posted by Feiichy

We don't like Serbs, they don't like us and we are genetically not the same. What is hard to understand?

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Haha, I know you would claim you feel more at home in Budapest where Uralic mumbo-jumbo is spoken than in Belgrade, a fully Serbo-Croatian-speaking city. I remember talking to a Serb tourist in Belarus and he told me the Yu people are racially the same but some of them are primitive cavemen because of their beliefs, not DNA (presumably Bosniaks and some Croats).

It's weird to constantly see both Croatians and Serbians claim Bosnians as part of their nation, however both sides fail to understand that Bosnians are a very old, distinct Medieval entity in the Western Balkans, often caught in a feud between Kingdom of Hungary and the Byzantine Empire. They are their own nation, which only in modern times was separated into 3 different parts, because of religious divisions. But Medieval Bosnia even had their own Church, separate from both Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox ones.

"The Bosnian Church was a Christian church in medieval Bosnia that was independent of and considered heretical by both the Roman Catholic and the Eastern Orthodox hierarchies.

The East–West Schism then led to the establishment of Roman Catholicism in Croatia and most of Dalmatia, while Eastern Orthodoxy came to prevail in Serbia. Lying in-between, the mountainous Bosnia was nominally under Rome, but Catholicism never became firmly established due to a weak church organization and poor communications. Medieval Bosnia thus remained a "no-man's land between faiths" rather than a meeting ground between the two Churches, leading to a unique religious history and the emergence of an "independent and somewhat heretical church".

Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy predominated in different parts of what is today Bosnia and Herzegovina; the followers of the former formed a majority in the west, the north and in the center of Bosnia, while those of the latter were a majority in most of Zachlumia (present-day Herzegovina) and along Bosnia's eastern border. This changed in the mid-13th century, when the Bosnian Church began eclipsing the Roman. While Bosnia remained nominally Catholic in the High Middle Ages, the Bishop of Bosnia was a local cleric chosen by Bosnians and then sent to the Archbishop of Ragusa solely for ordination. Although the Papacy already insisted on using Latin as the liturgical language, Bosnian Catholics retained Church Slavonic language."